AJ-Wlad - Wembley

ANTHONY JOSHUA MBE FACES FORMER WORLD RULER WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO FOR HIS IBF WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE AND THE VACANT IBO CHAMPIONSHIP AS WELL AS THE WBA SUPER CHAMPIONSHIP ON APRIL 29, 2017 AT WEMBLEY STADIUM CONNECTED BY EE, LIVE ON SKY SPORTS BOX OFFICE.Anthony Joshua: “This fight will be one of the biggest nights in my boxing career, it marks the highest point of my climb through the professional ranks. It is three years since I turned professional, I have taken the time to gain experience, fight men who have fallen and some who have fought hard and through this I am learning my trade, how the business works and gaining the ring craft which is sometimes underestimated as everyone wants to see the mega fights right away.It is the perfect time for me to move up another step and contest my heavyweight championship belt against one of the legends of our sport. There is no doubt this will be a titanic battle with a huge amount on the line, just like every fight, but when I enter the ring I will be prepared for victory as I have been with all my other fights. The legend against the champ – it’s time to write history.”Wladimir Klitschko: “I’m looking forward to this fight of the year, just like boxing fans all around the world. This is the first time in a decade that I’m the challenger again. I will fight against a champion who I consider the best of the young generation. Basically experience will take on youth. This makes this fight that unique. I will be ready for the challenge!”

http://e1.365dm.com/16/12/16-9/20/sk...20161214175651​

AJ is an MBE already? This rate he will be knighted after he beats Wlad.

this is the best HW title fight in years all things considered

I wonder, like with the haye bellew thread, if we will get 35+ pages of replies

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by erics44

this is the best HW title fight in years all things considered

I wonder, like with the haye bellew thread, if we will get 35+ pages of replies

---

Just because it does not, does not mean it is better, just Ross and his no injury claim that made it carry on longer than necessary.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Master

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by erics44

this is the best HW title fight in years all things considered

I wonder, like with the haye bellew thread, if we will get 35+ pages of replies

---

Just because it does not, does not mean it is better, just Ross and his no injury claim that made it carry on longer than necessary.

---

I would argue that enough people were interested in the fight to keep responding to the ridiculousness of ross

if it was any other fight that ross was being ridiculous about would people still have bothered replying?

so what I am asking is, was it Haye/Bellew that encouraged people to open and reopen the thread or was it ridiculous ross?

It was Haye/Bellew that encouraged people to keep the thread alive.

The whole fight was controversial and manufactured by Sky and them. Their personalities carried the promotion and hype.

The fight was farcical and ridiculous because of the injury that Haye was carrying.

Ross created a conspiracy that got him banned.

Fuck Ross he was warned to reign his bullshit trolling in and didn't - end of.

So who wins this one?

It definitely ticks all the boxes this one, Massive Stadium fight with 90,000 fans and millions round the world, a great matchup of youth v experience and two pretty much identical guys physically who can both punch but can be hurt.

I really do think AJ's gonna win this by knock out and become a mega star globally.

Few and far between are fighters these days who dedicate their entire life to the sport (the guy lives in a small flat above his mum still) train their ass off and swerve the glamour and hype like so many others do.

Great role model, chilled out and polite fella but once he climbs through the ropes the real AJ comes out, spiteful vicious fucker who clearly enjoys smashing the absolute shit out of people, you can see it on his face when he's just landed a huge punch, big grin on his face then he sticks out his tounge and knocks them out.

AJ by KO for me :cool:

I want to dislike AJ but I can't he carries himself so well and does not react to provocation. He is just so calm, polite and measured even when others try to antagonise him.

One of the big question is questions is what has Wlad got left. He was on his best form until he faced Fury but went out like a limp lettuce against Tyson.

Wlad has not fought for 18 months and will that do him more harm than good?

If Wlad is on top form then he will give AJ his hardest fight. Wlad will try and take it past 7 rounds and see if AJ tires and then pour it on him. The only issue is Wlad has a weak chin and does not like to engage too much, hence why he hugs a lot.

AJ early or Wlad late is the sensible pick but could see AJ points winner as the most logical result.

it would be a real pity if Wlad won

just when it looks like we have HW excitement in the whole division, imagine going back to the Wlad reign again, the worst HW spell in history by miles

I just cant handle the thought

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by erics44

it would be a real pity if Wlad won

just when it looks like we have HW excitement in the whole division, imagine going back to the Wlad reign again, the worst HW spell in history by miles

I just cant handle the thought

---

I think there would be a rematch and then maybe a trilogy if Wlad is back to his best.

We do not know how good AJ is but so far he has looked the dogs bollocks.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Master

It was Haye/Bellew that encouraged people to keep the thread alive.

The whole fight was controversial and manufactured by Sky and them. Their personalities carried the promotion and hype.

The fight was farcical and ridiculous because of the injury that Haye was carrying.

Ross created a conspiracy that got him banned.

---

ROSS IS BANNED? Since when?
Come on, I know he's a prick, and I know he talks shit, but isn't a ban a bit over the top?
Even though he talks shite , surely there's freedom of speech.
Anyway, it always makes us feel better about ourselves when we can win a debate, and @ross makes that easy! 😂😂

I don't dislike AJ but I'm not a huge fan of him, he has this real sly sort of arrogance about him if you ask me, I know that fighters need that (especially the heavys) but I can't help but want Klit to win.

And I think he will unless like a lot of others have said father time has caught up with him.

AJ wins and he is a Fucking mega star, the media loves him so he will get the respect that Fury would have got if he wasn't such a polarising character

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Batman

I don't dislike AJ but I'm not a huge fan of him, he has this real sly sort of arrogance about him if you ask me, I know that fighters need that (especially the heavys) but I can't help but want Klit to win.

And I think he will unless like a lot of others have said father time has caught up with him.

AJ wins and he is a Fucking mega star, the media loves him so he will get the respect that Fury would have got if he wasn't such a polarising character

---

I don't even think we'll get a chance to see if age has caught up on Wlad, Fury hardly hit him and he looked old and scared from the off.

AJ will come forward and attack him and will simply throw him off if he tries to hug him as he's so strong, I don't see him being able to handle AJ's power for too long and getting banged out inside 6 rounds

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by smashup

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Batman

I don't dislike AJ but I'm not a huge fan of him, he has this real sly sort of arrogance about him if you ask me, I know that fighters need that (especially the heavys) but I can't help but want Klit to win.

And I think he will unless like a lot of others have said father time has caught up with him.

AJ wins and he is a Fucking mega star, the media loves him so he will get the respect that Fury would have got if he wasn't such a polarising character

---

I don't even think we'll get a chance to see if age has caught up on Wlad, Fury hardly hit him and he looked old and scared from the off.

AJ will come forward and attack him and will simply throw him off if he tries to hug him as he's so strong, I don't see him being able to handle AJ's power for too long and getting banged out inside 6 rounds

---

When a fighter is desperate he will fight hard, Wlad was hurt against Pulev and producers a devastating knock out. AJ has been wobbled so we could see a stoppage the other way.

Although I think Master is a moron he's right we don't know how good AJ is.

I just hope Wlad has something left and we actually find out.


Like others have said I'm really trying to like AJ but not warned to him yet - he's certainly not in the Khan or Audley bracket though.

With a gun to my head and having to put my house on it I would say.......AJ round 3

I am a little surprised at how many either don't like AJ or would want to dislike him.
Maybe it's because of Eddie Hearn, or maybe because he's champ but we don't know how good he is.
I know he's not proved much yet, but I don't think that's his fault.
I would've thought the Brits would be all over him. After all, what's not to like?

And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

---

I know what you mean about being multi millionaires without proving themselves or even being any good. That's why I can't take to the likes of Eubank Jr. BJS, Khan etc.
I personally don't put AJ in their bracket, but each to their own. It just surprises me.

I think that for me at least the media machine played a big part in it.
When sky try to force me to like someone often the opposite happens

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

---

I know what you mean about being multi millionaires without proving themselves or even being any good. That's why I can't take to the likes of Eubank Jr. BJS, Khan etc.
I personally don't put AJ in their bracket, but each to their own. It just surprises me.

---

they deserve the money don't they?

Think of the stress they go through with the media and the press conferences and selling the fight and the fame and all that

most people get stressed a bit of a disagreement at work, or a fall out on an internet forum

and the training doesn't get any tougher, and then they risk their lives in the ring

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

I am a little surprised at how many either don't like AJ or would want to dislike him.
Maybe it's because of Eddie Hearn, or maybe because he's champ but we don't know how good he is.
I know he's not proved much yet, but I don't think that's his fault.
I would've thought the Brits would be all over him. After all, what's not to like?

---

I think AJ has had it relatively easy and the path to the world title has been without too many issues. To win a world title should mean the fighter going at least to points before they become champion.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Master

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

I am a little surprised at how many either don't like AJ or would want to dislike him.
Maybe it's because of Eddie Hearn, or maybe because he's champ but we don't know how good he is.
I know he's not proved much yet, but I don't think that's his fault.
I would've thought the Brits would be all over him. After all, what's not to like?

---

I think AJ has had it relatively easy and the path to the world title has been without too many issues. To win a world title should mean the fighter going at least to points before they become champion.

---

What, so you equate the longer a fight goes as to how tough a fight is? So Tyson Fury went to points absorbing an average of 4 punches a round, whereas someone could have a tough fight that went 8 or 9 rounds and had moments when they were in deep water and came out the other end.
you need to get into your head that AJ has a lot of power and this is the heavyweights. He may NEVER go 12 rounds! I'm not saying he is gonna knock everybody out, he may get KO'd or stopped himself.
Does he need to extend a fight so it goes the distance, just so people can feel he is progressing?
Usually when people use this line of critique, it's so that when they eventually do go the distance, people can have something to pick holes in, which is a bit negative imo.
for the record, I reckon he'll do 12 rounds comfortably, but we may never find out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Master

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

I am a little surprised at how many either don't like AJ or would want to dislike him.
Maybe it's because of Eddie Hearn, or maybe because he's champ but we don't know how good he is.
I know he's not proved much yet, but I don't think that's his fault.
I would've thought the Brits would be all over him. After all, what's not to like?

---

I think AJ has had it relatively easy and the path to the world title has been without too many issues. To win a world title should mean the fighter going at least to points before they become champion.

---

What, so you equate the longer a fight goes as to how tough a fight is? So Tyson Fury went to points absorbing an average of 4 punches a round, whereas someone could have a tough fight that went 8 or 9 rounds and had moments when they were in deep water and came out the other end.
you need to get into your head that AJ has a lot of power and this is the heavyweights. He may NEVER go 12 rounds! I'm not saying he is gonna knock everybody out, he may get KO'd or stopped himself.
Does he need to extend a fight so it goes the distance, just so people can feel he is progressing?
Usually when people use this line of critique, it's so that when they eventually do go the distance, people can have something to pick holes in, which is a bit negative imo.
for the record, I reckon he'll do 12 rounds comfortably, but we may never find out.

---

I think AJ can do 12 rounds comfortably because he can fight at a high pace but just seems unnatural that we have a heavyweight champion that has never gone the distance. The fact that he has Eddie Hearn (Simon Cowell of boxing) smiling in the background makes it even more intolerable.

You're right Master Joshua is cheating by knocking these opponents out and not giving them a chanc of getting to final bell

Master i do seriously wonder about how much fight knowledge you actually posses?

Your saying a fighter shouldn't be awarded/deserve a Heavyweight title belt because he hasn't been the distance?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by smashup

Master i do seriously wonder about how much fight knowledge you actually posses?

Your saying a fighter shouldn't be awarded/deserve a Heavyweight title belt because he hasn't been the distance?

---

No.

I am saying AJ has been largely untested and yet he has won a version of the heavyweight title, defended it twice and still not gone the distance. Never in the history of the division has that happened.

I am not saying that is AJ's fault but shows you how bad the division is that to happen.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

---

I know what you mean about being multi millionaires without proving themselves or even being any good. That's why I can't take to the likes of Eubank Jr. BJS, Khan etc.
I personally don't put AJ in their bracket, but each to their own. It just surprises me.

---

I too would not put AJ in their bracket yet either. Khan has faced a lot sterner opposition than AJ and whilst he has frittered away the tail end of his career he fought his way to where he is love him or hate him. BJS again whilst not really having the portfolio he should have is a very gifted boxer, way more in his arsenal than AJ will probably ever have and that's not knocking Joshua it's just a fact. I don't really get what point you are supposed to be making. You talk about Brits in the third person as though they are just one big amalgam. AJ seems pretty popular amongst both 'casuals' and hardcore fans who while not necessarily seeing a great deal of depth yet other than his ability to spark people out , respect his honesty and respect for boxing. It's nice to have a guy without a big mouth but he is never going to make the big headlines Guys like Fury, Haye, Mayweather etc do because his whole persona is built around avoiding controversy which the other guys feed on.

Its easy to dislike AJ. He's a right big good looking rich bastard.

This fight and the build up to it is going to be epic. Ross will be back slagging off Joshua at every opportunity and making it all about Fury. Lyle will be firmly in Wlad's corner fending off the consensus that says Wlad is going byebyes.

I cant wait as it heats up.

I've always said that Joshua wins the fight, but he'll be there to be hit so Wlad has a window to get his offence going.

those saying AJ comes across like this and that? common dudes, most of you lot would come across as cocks if interviewed on national TV

and how can you not like him? 18 fights 18 KOs, don't we watch boxing to watch fighters who get in the ring and smash people in the face really hard

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by erics44

those saying AJ comes across like this and that? common dudes, most of you lot would come across as cocks if interviewed on national TV

and how can you not like him? 18 fights 18 KOs, don't we watch boxing to watch fighters who get in the ring and smash people in the face really hard

---

I'd come across as cool as a cucumber in a nuns can't if I was interviewed on telly.

18 fights against nobody worth mentioning, once he has proven himself worthy of the adulation that sky and the media give him the people's opinions might change

maybe he hasn't fought anyone amazing

everyone he ha fought tho he has hit in the face really really hard

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beanz

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

---

I know what you mean about being multi millionaires without proving themselves or even being any good. That's why I can't take to the likes of Eubank Jr. BJS, Khan etc.
I personally don't put AJ in their bracket, but each to their own. It just surprises me.

---

I too would not put AJ in their bracket yet either. Khan has faced a lot sterner opposition than AJ and whilst he has frittered away the tail end of his career he fought his way to where he is love him or hate him. BJS again whilst not really having the portfolio he should have is a very gifted boxer, way more in his arsenal than AJ will probably ever have and that's not knocking Joshua it's just a fact. I don't really get what point you are supposed to be making. You talk about Brits in the third person as though they are just one big amalgam. AJ seems pretty popular amongst both 'casuals' and hardcore fans who while not necessarily seeing a great deal of depth yet other than his ability to spark people out , respect his honesty and respect for boxing. It's nice to have a guy without a big mouth but he is never going to make the big headlines Guys like Fury, Haye, Mayweather etc do because his whole persona is built around avoiding controversy which the other guys feed on.

---

My point is that AJ is going out and doing what he is supposed to do (and in some style), whereas Khan, BJS, Eubank Jr. want all the recognition and Money while doing literally fuck all.
I also dispute that Khan has fought his way to where he is. Many years ago , he beat Maidana, and that's it. BJS and Eubank the same. BJS beat Andy Lee, Eubank has beaten nobody.
AJ has dispatched of a World Champion by early KO to gain his title, Molina (who gave the other Champion a much harder time of it) and Brezeale , who arguably would give almost any other HW on the planet a pretty good fight, and all by KO.
It's not his fault that he hasn't been tested, it's not like he's ducked anyone after all.
I totally get the Hearn/Matchroom/Sky golden bollocks resentment that people would have, but again , it's not his fault.
And while he won't get the headlines Fury, Haye and Mayweather get , with the exception of Mayweather , I bet the others, (and just about every other Boxer on the planet) would swap Bank Balances with him.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beanz

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

---

I know what you mean about being multi millionaires without proving themselves or even being any good. That's why I can't take to the likes of Eubank Jr. BJS, Khan etc.
I personally don't put AJ in their bracket, but each to their own. It just surprises me.

---

I too would not put AJ in their bracket yet either. Khan has faced a lot sterner opposition than AJ and whilst he has frittered away the tail end of his career he fought his way to where he is love him or hate him. BJS again whilst not really having the portfolio he should have is a very gifted boxer, way more in his arsenal than AJ will probably ever have and that's not knocking Joshua it's just a fact. I don't really get what point you are supposed to be making. You talk about Brits in the third person as though they are just one big amalgam. AJ seems pretty popular amongst both 'casuals' and hardcore fans who while not necessarily seeing a great deal of depth yet other than his ability to spark people out , respect his honesty and respect for boxing. It's nice to have a guy without a big mouth but he is never going to make the big headlines Guys like Fury, Haye, Mayweather etc do because his whole persona is built around avoiding controversy which the other guys feed on.

---

My point is that AJ is going out and doing what he is supposed to do (and in some style), whereas Khan, BJS, Eubank Jr. want all the recognition and Money while doing literally fuck all.
I also dispute that Khan has fought his way to where he is. Many years ago , he beat Maidana, and that's it. BJS and Eubank the same. BJS beat Andy Lee, Eubank has beaten nobody.
AJ has dispatched of a World Champion by early KO to gain his title, Molina (who gave the other Champion a much harder time of it) and Brezeale , who arguably would give almost any other HW on the planet a pretty good fight, and all by KO.
It's not his fault that he hasn't been tested, it's not like he's ducked anyone after all.
I totally get the Hearn/Matchroom/Sky golden bollocks resentment that people would have, but again , it's not his fault.
And while he won't get the headlines Fury, Haye and Mayweather get , with the exception of Mayweather , I bet the others, (and just about every other Boxer on the planet) would swap Bank Balances with him.

---

Ha! the hate is strong ;D Khan does not fall into the category of being "a multi millionaire without proving themselves or being any good." Igonore the fact that he was a very gifted Olympic silver medal winner and you still have to give him more credit for more than beating Maidana. You almost have to bend over backwards not to. After being poleaxed by Prescott he won the right to contend for the WBA belt by stopping Fagan and Barrera, He then beat Kotlenik to win the strap he then defended it in a consecutive run against Salita, Malinaggi,Maidana,Mckloskey,Judah then arguably beat Peterson and was robbed and then stepped into the Lions den with Garcia. Still not proved anything in your eyes? He then beats Molina, Diaz, Collazo, puts on a masterclass against Alexander then beats Algerieri before getting sparked again by a much bigger Ginger numbnutts who until the stoppage was made to like pretty inferior in boxing ability.


I think Khan has much more than f**k all. He may not be an ATG but Loathe him or Laugh at him he has a not too shabby record and has a pretty good career to look back on and be proud of.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beanz

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beanz

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

---

I know what you mean about being multi millionaires without proving themselves or even being any good. That's why I can't take to the likes of Eubank Jr. BJS, Khan etc.
I personally don't put AJ in their bracket, but each to their own. It just surprises me.

---

I too would not put AJ in their bracket yet either. Khan has faced a lot sterner opposition than AJ and whilst he has frittered away the tail end of his career he fought his way to where he is love him or hate him. BJS again whilst not really having the portfolio he should have is a very gifted boxer, way more in his arsenal than AJ will probably ever have and that's not knocking Joshua it's just a fact. I don't really get what point you are supposed to be making. You talk about Brits in the third person as though they are just one big amalgam. AJ seems pretty popular amongst both 'casuals' and hardcore fans who while not necessarily seeing a great deal of depth yet other than his ability to spark people out , respect his honesty and respect for boxing. It's nice to have a guy without a big mouth but he is never going to make the big headlines Guys like Fury, Haye, Mayweather etc do because his whole persona is built around avoiding controversy which the other guys feed on.

---

My point is that AJ is going out and doing what he is supposed to do (and in some style), whereas Khan, BJS, Eubank Jr. want all the recognition and Money while doing literally fuck all.
I also dispute that Khan has fought his way to where he is. Many years ago , he beat Maidana, and that's it. BJS and Eubank the same. BJS beat Andy Lee, Eubank has beaten nobody.
AJ has dispatched of a World Champion by early KO to gain his title, Molina (who gave the other Champion a much harder time of it) and Brezeale , who arguably would give almost any other HW on the planet a pretty good fight, and all by KO.
It's not his fault that he hasn't been tested, it's not like he's ducked anyone after all.
I totally get the Hearn/Matchroom/Sky golden bollocks resentment that people would have, but again , it's not his fault.
And while he won't get the headlines Fury, Haye and Mayweather get , with the exception of Mayweather , I bet the others, (and just about every other Boxer on the planet) would swap Bank Balances with him.

---

Ha! the hate is strong ;D Khan does not fall into the category of being "a multi millionaire without proving themselves or being any good." Igonore the fact that he was a very gifted Olympic silver medal winner and you still have to give him more credit for more than beating Maidana. You almost have to bend over backwards not to. After being poleaxed by Prescott he won the right to contend for the WBA belt by stopping Fagan and Barrera, He then beat Kotlenik to win the strap he then defended it in a consecutive run against Salita, Malinaggi,Maidana,Mckloskey,Judah then arguably beat Peterson and was robbed and then stepped into the Lions den with Garcia. Still not proved anything in your eyes? He then beats Molina, Diaz, Collazo, puts on a masterclass against Alexander then beats Algerieri before getting sparked again by a much bigger Ginger numbnutts who until the stoppage was made to like pretty inferior in boxing ability.


I think Khan has much more than f**k all. He may not be an ATG but Loathe him or Laugh at him he has a not too shabby record and has a pretty good career to look back on and be proud of.

---

Mate, I think your post proves my point perfectly! 😄 I have to be somewhere now, but give me a couple of hours or so and I'll send you a more detailed reply.
I can't resist leaving you with one quick thought though.....OISIN FAGIN for fucks sake!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beanz

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beanz

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

---

I know what you mean about being multi millionaires without proving themselves or even being any good. That's why I can't take to the likes of Eubank Jr. BJS, Khan etc.
I personally don't put AJ in their bracket, but each to their own. It just surprises me.

---

I too would not put AJ in their bracket yet either. Khan has faced a lot sterner opposition than AJ and whilst he has frittered away the tail end of his career he fought his way to where he is love him or hate him. BJS again whilst not really having the portfolio he should have is a very gifted boxer, way more in his arsenal than AJ will probably ever have and that's not knocking Joshua it's just a fact. I don't really get what point you are supposed to be making. You talk about Brits in the third person as though they are just one big amalgam. AJ seems pretty popular amongst both 'casuals' and hardcore fans who while not necessarily seeing a great deal of depth yet other than his ability to spark people out , respect his honesty and respect for boxing. It's nice to have a guy without a big mouth but he is never going to make the big headlines Guys like Fury, Haye, Mayweather etc do because his whole persona is built around avoiding controversy which the other guys feed on.

---

My point is that AJ is going out and doing what he is supposed to do (and in some style), whereas Khan, BJS, Eubank Jr. want all the recognition and Money while doing literally fuck all.
I also dispute that Khan has fought his way to where he is. Many years ago , he beat Maidana, and that's it. BJS and Eubank the same. BJS beat Andy Lee, Eubank has beaten nobody.
AJ has dispatched of a World Champion by early KO to gain his title, Molina (who gave the other Champion a much harder time of it) and Brezeale , who arguably would give almost any other HW on the planet a pretty good fight, and all by KO.
It's not his fault that he hasn't been tested, it's not like he's ducked anyone after all.
I totally get the Hearn/Matchroom/Sky golden bollocks resentment that people would have, but again , it's not his fault.
And while he won't get the headlines Fury, Haye and Mayweather get , with the exception of Mayweather , I bet the others, (and just about every other Boxer on the planet) would swap Bank Balances with him.

---

Ha! the hate is strong ;D Khan does not fall into the category of being "a multi millionaire without proving themselves or being any good." Igonore the fact that he was a very gifted Olympic silver medal winner and you still have to give him more credit for more than beating Maidana. You almost have to bend over backwards not to. After being poleaxed by Prescott he won the right to contend for the WBA belt by stopping Fagan and Barrera, He then beat Kotlenik to win the strap he then defended it in a consecutive run against Salita, Malinaggi,Maidana,Mckloskey,Judah then arguably beat Peterson and was robbed and then stepped into the Lions den with Garcia. Still not proved anything in your eyes? He then beats Molina, Diaz, Collazo, puts on a masterclass against Alexander then beats Algerieri before getting sparked again by a much bigger Ginger numbnutts who until the stoppage was made to like pretty inferior in boxing ability.


I think Khan has much more than f**k all. He may not be an ATG but Loathe him or Laugh at him he has a not too shabby record and has a pretty good career to look back on and be proud of.

---

Okeydokey , since Khan got sparked by Prescott (Many moons ago.) this is what he's done.
So you started by talking about his Olympic Silver medal. Very good, But AJ got a Gold!
Fagan - who?
Barrera - past his best,they just used his name, and they still conned him! He got a nasty cut from a clash of heads, he wanted to carry on, so they let him carry on.......until the 6th round ,then went to the cards. If they had stopped it before then, it would (and should) have been a no contest. Barrera couldn't fucking see for the blood and he begged for a rematch because he said although he couldn't see, Khan never hurt him once.
He then beat Kotlenik to win the strap - manoeuvred into fighting unquestionably the easiest of the champions at the time
Salita - again, who?
Malignaggi - again, decent boxer, brave as well, but Zero power, Khan can handle that.
Maidana - I've already given him this, best win of his career. Even then he nearly blew it in the 10th on jelly legs.
Mckloskey- European class at best.
Judah - he beat Judah. Ok , didn't everybody beat Judah? Decent fighter , but nothing to pin a reputation on.

"then arguably beat Peterson and was robbed" - er , no he wasn't.he got beat fair and square. And anyway, before the fight, he was so cocky about how easily he would win, he was looking beyond the fight talking all the time about Floyd or some such bullshit. So even if he had won on points, it would've been a disappointing performance seeing as he told every fucker it wouldn't last 4 rounds.
and then stepped into the Lions den with Garcia - Lions den,:rolleyes: Garcia and his Dad said what was gonna happen and they got it bang on!
"Still not proved anything in your eyes?" Nope.
Molina - a Pumped up unrated LW Stepping up. Didn't he put Khan on the deck? Or was that Diaz?
Diaz - at the end of a career fought almost exclusively at LW.
Collazo - at the end of his career, nothing special even at his best.
"puts on a masterclass against Alexander" - big deal. Alexander was finished, Porter had already bullied him and finished him off. What's Alexander done since?
then beats Algieri - yep, Algieri gave him loads of problems, AFTER Manny had decked him 6 times and won 120-106 on the cards!
So you see, when you break Khan's career down, it's not all that impressive is it?

Your point was that Khan wanted "the recognition and the money for doing fuck all". Which is exactly what your post does to advance your argument. It's not about an ATG or TBE.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beanz

Your point was that Khan wanted "the recognition and the money for doing fuck all". Which is exactly what your post does to advance your argument. It's not about an ATG or TBE.

---

That's right. I was just pointing out that I would've thought that AJ would be exactly the type of fighter British Fans would get behind because he's out there doing it and proving his worth.
Whereas the others I mentioned expect mega bucks and support of fans etc. For very little achievement.
It's not about ATG or anything like that, we all know AJ has a long, long way to go, but at least he's going in the right direction and going about his business the right way.
Besides, everyone loves a KO don't they?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Beanz

Your point was that Khan wanted "the recognition and the money for doing fuck all". Which is exactly what your post does to advance your argument. It's not about an ATG or TBE.

---

That's right. I was just pointing out that I would've thought that AJ would be exactly the type of fighter British Fans would get behind because he's out there doing it and proving his worth.
Whereas the others I mentioned expect mega bucks and support of fans etc. For very little achievement.
It's not about ATG or anything like that, we all know AJ has a long, long way to go, but at least he's going in the right direction and going about his business the right way.
Besides, everyone loves a KO don't they?

---

But your point is a non point, because the majority of British fight fans (whom you seem to either have a problem with or see yourself as distinct from) have got behind AJ. He is a solid ticket seller for both venues and PPV. So it seems that fact that people are realistic about what he has achieved so far seems to be enough for you to pretend they are dismissing him. And yes everyone loves a KO which is why they watch Khan waiting for him to be poleaxed. It makes his career even more remarkable and however much you poo poo it that is the reality of a career hundreds of British boxers would love to have. Anyone stepping through the ropes has proved their worth, how much money they can make is another thing entirely.

Of course it's not a non point. I'm fully aware that the mainstream are behind AJ.
My original point was how surprised I was that many Brit Saddos weren't bothered by AJ.
And yes, I distance myself from the Brits, because I'm not one! I've never hidden that.
I totally accept the people that resent AJ because of the Sky/Matchroom/Hearn connection , I've already said that.
My point about Khan (amongst others) was that they expect the big bucks, but don't justify it.
Khan is probably (almost definitely)not
top 10 in the division, yet he thinks he's worthy of a 70/30 split in his favour against a Champion.
We all know he did that and is prepared to accept less money against other fighters because if he lost, he's worth Zip.
Who the fuck is he to dictate these things? He's been a mandatory for the WBC (?) Strap for fucking donkey's years and hasn't been forced to fight. It's a joke.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Of course it's not a non point. I'm fully aware that the mainstream are behind AJ.
My original point was how surprised I was that many Brit Saddos weren't bothered by AJ.
And yes, I distance myself from the Brits, because I'm not one! I've never hidden that.
I totally accept the people that resent AJ because of the Sky/Matchroom/Hearn connection , I've already said that.
My point about Khan (amongst others) was that they expect the big bucks, but don't justify it.
Khan is probably (almost definitely)not
top 10 in the division, yet he thinks he's worthy of a 70/30 split in his favour against a Champion.
We all know he did that and is prepared to accept less money against other fighters because if he lost, he's worth Zip.
Who the fuck is he to dictate these things? He's been a mandatory for the WBC (?) Strap for fucking donkey's years and hasn't been forced to fight. It's a joke.

---

That is boxing. I think most British Saddos enjoy and can appreciate AJ for what he is but have either been watching or involved in boxing for long enough to know that it is still very early days and the excitement starts when he is in a ring with someone able to stretch him and show more depth than he has. He showed plenty of character against Whyte but also his limitations, as he did in the Olympics. I think most want the best for him, because he is like you say very exciting when he brings that kind of power to the table. Most hardcore boxing fans are not huge on the heavyweight scene because it is almost an anomaly that can't really be compared to the other divisions. I apologise for assuming you were British, your certainly post as though English is your first Language. Are you

A) Italian
B) Irish
C)Australian
D)Ross's Neighbour :-X

Khan might be a dick but he has entertained enough to be able to ask for whatever he likes. He might not get it but he is going to try for the maximum purse because that is his job to do so.