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For starters I don't really like talking about Floyd at this stage and I hope he remains retired. The forum is relatively quiet tho so I thought this thread might drum up some action.
What should Floyd's record actually be? There are some that feel he should have lost at least 4.
Thoughts?
We used to have plenty of flomos on here that would argue every second of every minute of Floyd's record "proving" that he's never lost a round let alone a fight, but these days the few that are left will just post "TBE" "49-0" - they got nothing.
I can't even think of the four fighters to beat him?
Castillo for sure, but even that was a close, debatable decision. And Floyd doesn't get credit from his knockers for immediately rematching him.
Some good judges think he lost to Oscar. I don't. Quite a few ringside had Pac winning. He didn't.
Maidana?
truth is he should have 0 - every fighter gets a bit lucky at some stage and flloyd was good enough that when he was unlucky - i.e. ripped off by the judges vs canelo he was so good they couldnt even give the decision to canelo so it was an SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Personally I think Castillo 1 he lost 7-5 and I also think (and I know im in the big minority here) that the cotto fight was a draw. Maidana was very close.
But he's 49-0 and you can't really argue with that, as said everyone gets lucky sometimes - and unlucky as well
One guy mentioned he should have been disqualified against Judah for his trainer entering the ring. Castillo I. Possibly Oscar & Maidana I.
The first Castillo fight was very close. I can also understand the Judah theory although I don't agree. De La Hoya, Pac & Maidana I thought he won. Maidana & Oscar fights were closer than some give credit.
What was that about, I can't remember thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I think it was after Zab hit Floyd low then uncle Roger came storming in the ring.
I honestly can't remember that, I'll have to take a butchers on YouTube later
Lennox Lewis laughing - doing the comms - as it all kicked off cracked me up.
Yeah technically Floyd could have been DQ'd but Judah is the real one that deserved getting chucked out. He blatantly eyed up that cracking full blooded blast to the goolies, back of the head smash combo.
Same people used to rave on about Judah schooling him early doors and knocked him down because his glove grazed the canvas. All of it meaningless as Floyd adjusted to take Judah to the cleaners.
0
I had Floyd beating Castillo but drawing Canelo and losing against Oscar but admit my bias in that. :)
Hatton was winning after 6 rounds but the ref cheated him from a victory.
Draw vs Canelo? F-ck me. I think the 1st Castillo fight you clung argue as a legit loss. Does anyone think Castillo could have made adjustments in a 3rd bout or would it have been another wide decision for Floyd?
I'll say 0 too
Had Castillo been given the nod there would have been more complaints re him getting the decision than there has been for Floyd getting it.
And Hatton was outclassed in that fight Master - never ahead despite the early rounds excitement amongst the fans.
Don't think would have been any different even if Cortez had let him go on the inside more.
he won all his fights
the Moseley, Cotto, Pac fights happening to late is the shame
agreed on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I think Hatton at light welter in Manchester with Pars as ref beats Floyd. Same with Cotto at MSG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOagreed on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Younger version Oscar at welterweight and Shane at light weight give pretty boy a tougher time if not beat him.
You could do this with many fighters. All fighters have won or lost close decisions that could have gone either way.
Technically he should have been disqualified in the Judah fight but I'm glad it wasn't called like that. Also, probably in the minority, I think the fight was a draw. Floyd for sure did better, but round by round I thought it was a draw with Judah winning if the KD was called. Basically, Judah won the first 4 rounds then the last 2 (I think) after the whole Roger fiasco.
and I think you're an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Hatton at light welter in Manchester with Pars as ref beats Floyd. Same with Cotto at MSG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOagreed on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Younger version Oscar at welterweight and Shane at light weight give pretty boy a tougher time if not beat him.
Castillo, Maidana, Cotto... were his closest fights. You could make arguments for all of them.
The Canelo fight, mentioned here earlier, was such a whitewash you could give him 2 wins on that one.
Just rewatched the fight, I can remember the whole fracas with Roger jumping in the ring now, cracking fight from Floyd though, after the 3rd he completely schooled JudahQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yes Floyd adjusted and went on to win as he did with Mosley when he got rocked in the 2nd. Say what you want about Floyd but he could adjust his style and work on a way to win which is a mark of a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanJust rewatched the fight, I can remember the whole fracas with Roger jumping in the ring now, cracking fight from Floyd though, after the 3rd he completely schooled JudahQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
He definitely was a great fighter. Jumping up to 135 to face the best in Castillo was an impressive move. Then the immediate rematch to the dispel the questions asked after the 1st. I wish he remained on that mentality.
You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Words fail me
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Originally Posted by denilson200You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Words fail me
I know @Master ..... he was being sarcastic. ;D
But here's DLH wanting them to fight again, but at 160. Chances of that happening are about as good as hell freezing over, but keep wishing Oscar. :-X
De La Hoya wants Mayweather to fight Canelo at 160 » Boxing News
Thought he lost to Castillo first time around. Maidana gave him one of his roughest and it was surreal watching him actually out jab and stun him, but Mayweather won. That's about all I have on Floyd. It's hard to believe he's only been retired for a year and a half. He should promote and talk more about his fighters on a card and less about himself.
I'd be happy with that fight. At least Canelo is a boxer. It would also give Floyd a shot at the lineal title.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by denilson200You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Words fail me
I know @Master ..... he was being sarcastic. ;D
But here's DLH wanting them to fight again, but at 160. Chances of that happening are about as good as hell freezing over, but keep wishing Oscar. :-X
De La Hoya wants Mayweather to fight Canelo at 160 ďż˝ Boxing News
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Originally Posted by AlphaI'd be happy with that fight. At least Canelo is a boxer. It would also give Floyd a shot at the lineal title.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by denilson200You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Words fail me
I know @Master ..... he was being sarcastic. ;D
But here's DLH wanting them to fight again, but at 160. Chances of that happening are about as good as hell freezing over, but keep wishing Oscar. :-X
De La Hoya wants Mayweather to fight Canelo at 160 ďż˝ Boxing News
Floyd has no business at 160, and already proved he can box circles around Canelo. Canelo has fought his lifetime quota of tiny fighters, the last of which was Khan. I have no desire to watch Canelo's smoke and mirrors. I'm only interested in him finally fighting a real middleweight.
Granted, I have no interest in Floyd-McGregor either. If I want that kind of entertainment, I'll go watch Ringling & Barnum.
I can only say the Castillo fight should be a loss.Cotto and Maidana came close.Floyd was very respectful and cautious with Oscar and his left hook. Those 3 still lost tho.
Does Floyd make more against Canelo or McGregor? The challenge will be greater vs Alvarez for sure but we saw how easily he dealt with him the first time. Winning the lineal middleweight title also does more for Floyd's legacy than a win over an 0-0-0 fighter would.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI'd be happy with that fight. At least Canelo is a boxer. It would also give Floyd a shot at the lineal title.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by denilson200You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Words fail me
I know @Master ..... he was being sarcastic. ;D
But here's DLH wanting them to fight again, but at 160. Chances of that happening are about as good as hell freezing over, but keep wishing Oscar. :-X
De La Hoya wants Mayweather to fight Canelo at 160 ďż˝ Boxing News
Floyd has no business at 160, and already proved he can box circles around Canelo. Canelo has fought his lifetime quota of tiny fighters, the last of which was Khan. I have no desire to watch Canelo's smoke and mirrors. I'm only interested in him finally fighting a real middleweight.
Granted, I have no interest in Floyd-McGregor either. If I want that kind of entertainment, I'll go watch Ringling & Barnum.
WOW!!!!! People still taking about Floyd making a comeback. Flomos, Haters, everyone wants to talk about him coming back. Every thread that starts about Floyd, always gets round to his "Comeback". He may fight MacGregor , he may not (Probably not imo.), but why the big fascination about it?
I respected Floyd as a fighter, obviously he used to be a bit of a prick as a guy, but I'm really not bothered about seeing him fight again. Boxing has to move on. it moved on after Ali, it moved on after Sugar Ray (Leonard and Robinson) , I think it's crazy if I'm honest.
Like I said in the OP; I thought it might drum up some conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Zero.
Floyd beating Canelo at middleweight would be a fraud victory and a disgrace to boxing to call it for the middleweight title. I would never watch boxing again if it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaDoes Floyd make more against Canelo or McGregor? The challenge will be greater vs Alvarez for sure but we saw how easily he dealt with him the first time. Winning the lineal middleweight title also does more for Floyd's legacy than a win over an 0-0-0 fighter would.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI'd be happy with that fight. At least Canelo is a boxer. It would also give Floyd a shot at the lineal title.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by denilson200You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Words fail me
I know @Master ..... he was being sarcastic. ;D
But here's DLH wanting them to fight again, but at 160. Chances of that happening are about as good as hell freezing over, but keep wishing Oscar. :-X
De La Hoya wants Mayweather to fight Canelo at 160 ďż˝ Boxing News
Floyd has no business at 160, and already proved he can box circles around Canelo. Canelo has fought his lifetime quota of tiny fighters, the last of which was Khan. I have no desire to watch Canelo's smoke and mirrors. I'm only interested in him finally fighting a real middleweight.
Granted, I have no interest in Floyd-McGregor either. If I want that kind of entertainment, I'll go watch Ringling & Barnum.
I think fighting McGregor would be worse.
It would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Don't say that it will probably happen if they can get away with it. Still...you will always have the wireless.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFloyd beating Canelo at middleweight would be a fraud victory and a disgrace to boxing to call it for the middleweight title. I would never watch boxing again if it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaDoes Floyd make more against Canelo or McGregor? The challenge will be greater vs Alvarez for sure but we saw how easily he dealt with him the first time. Winning the lineal middleweight title also does more for Floyd's legacy than a win over an 0-0-0 fighter would.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanFloyd has no business at 160, and already proved he can box circles around Canelo. Canelo has fought his lifetime quota of tiny fighters, the last of which was Khan. I have no desire to watch Canelo's smoke and mirrors. I'm only interested in him finally fighting a real middleweight.Granted, I have no interest in Floyd-McGregor either. If I want that kind of entertainment, I'll go watch Ringling & Barnum.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI'd be happy with that fight. At least Canelo is a boxer. It would also give Floyd a shot at the lineal title.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanI know @Master ..... he was being sarcastic. ;DBut here's DLH wanting them to fight again, but at 160. Chances of that happening are about as good as hell freezing over, but keep wishing Oscar. :-XDe La Hoya wants Mayweather to fight Canelo at 160 ďż˝ Boxing NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by denilson200You had Canelo - Floyd a draw ?Words fail meQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Heaven forbid that Floyd get KO'd by McGregor. Boxing would never live it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Never going to happen but boxing is bigger than Floyd and it would be very funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaHeaven forbid that Floyd get KO'd by McGregor. Boxing would never live it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
If that happens I would give ÂŁ100 to @Batman through his paypal account.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNever going to happen but boxing is bigger than Floyd and it would be very funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaHeaven forbid that Floyd get KO'd by McGregor. Boxing would never live it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Awesome, I'm gunna hold you to that as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf that happens I would give ÂŁ100 to @Batman through his paypal account.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNever going to happen but boxing is bigger than Floyd and it would be very funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaHeaven forbid that Floyd get KO'd by McGregor. Boxing would never live it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt would be but at least it clearly exposes what Floyd is all about. It has nothing to do with legacy or being an ATG but just an opportunist with no real substance in his career. No matter how much money he makes he will be called out for being a cosmetic and fabricated ATG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I don't see it happening either but IF it did all the MMA trolls would have a field day.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. hurt the sport of boxing before retiring, says trainer Robert Garcia. He says that Mayweather hurt the sport in a way due to the lack of action in his fights, and the important ones that he never took. Garcia didn’t use any examples of what fights that Mayweather had that lacked action, but he might have been talking about his big pay-per-view bouts against Manny Pacquiao and Saul Canelo Alvarez.
Both of those fights lacked drama and excitement because of Mayweather playing it safe and boxing for the full 12 rounds. Mayweather obviously had no obligation to the fans to stand and brawl with Pacquiao and Canelo, because he didn’t have the punching power to fight that way against those fighters. Those fights were dull in the minds of a lot of fans, and it might have made some of them less willing to purchase other boxing PPV events.
“Floyd did so good in boxing. He made the most money any boxer ever made,” said Robert Garcia to Fighthype.com. “He made a lot of money, but somehow it could have hurt boxing a little, because with Mayweather, we never seen those fights that fans want to see when it comes to action and stuff like that. He might have hurt, especially with the pay-per-views and all that. It might have hurt boxing a little bit,” said Garcia.
Some believe that Mayweather hurt the sport and then took off into retirement rather than continue fighting and potentially seeing his PPV numbers drop badly. They feel that’s why Mayweather is choosing to try and fight a UFC fighter in Conor McGregor now, because the boxing fans won’t purchase his fights in high numbers any longer. McGregor is bringing in huge PPV numbers for his fights in the UFC.
It was an opportunity lost when Mayweather fought Pacquiao. There were a huge amount of casual boxing fans that paid to see the fight, and they were left very disappointed. The fight was hyped through the roof for months, and product was very poor. Even the undercard for the Mayweather-Pacquiao card looked like it had been thrown together without much thought in terms of trying to entertain the fans that had paid a ton of money. If the fans are still angry about that fight, then it’s not surprising that the PPV numbers haven’t been as good they once were.
The highest boxing PPV since the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was Saul Alvarez’s fight with Miguel Cotto in 2015. That fight did 900,000 buys. It wasn’t a great. Cotto mostly boxed instead of going after Canelo to try and knock him out. Canelo fought at a pedestrian pace, as if he were afraid to gas out.
There are some fans out there who firmly believe that the low PPV numbers that we’re seeing in the sport right now is because of the super expensive Mayweather-Pacquiao fight in 2015. The fight failed to deliver on the hype that had been generated. Neither fighter was willing to take any risks in that fight. The boxing fans paid a lot of money to see the fight on PPV, as the prices were raised sky high to take advantage of the interest in the fight. That’s part of the beef that many fans had. They felt that they were ripped off. It might be just a coincidence that the pay-per-view industry hasn’t been good since the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. There are some fans that really believe that Mayweather hurt boxing with his fight with Pacquiao. Mayweather is on the verge of facing UFC star Conor McGregor in a boxing match. Will this fight hurt the sport if it fails to live up to expectations? We’ll see if the fight takes place.
“I think there are some big fights that are going to start happening this year,” said Garcia. “I think boxing will be back where fans are wanting to see those fighters. There’s not one fighter that has done what Mayweather has done. Maybe a lot of fans don’t enjoy it. Maybe a lot of fans don’t like it. But businesswise, it was the best thing. As I said, that may have hurt boxing a little bit, but all the fighters that are out there right now, we can get boxing back to where it was 10 years ago when people were paying for pay-per-views. Canelo is already a big name in pay-per-view, and after the Chavez fight, that’s going to be huge if it’s a good fight. I’m sure they’re going to have a rematch. If Canelo fights Triple G, that’s going to be huge also. Boxing will be back on top,” said Garcia.
I don’t think Canelo vs. Golovkin will bring boxing back to the point where fights would do 1 million buys. Canelo isn’t being matched in the right way for him to become a big PPV attraction on a consistent basis. He’ll bring in a lot of PPV buys every now and then, but I don’t think it’ll ever be consistently big numbers because his promoters at Golden Boy seem to be very reluctant to put him in risky fights where he could lose. They still haven’t matched him against Golovkin, and it looks like they’re waiting for something to change before they eventually put him in with him. I think the PPV numbers will eventually start going upwards, but only when a new star emerges that is willing to fight the best, and not let his promoters steer around to safe fights against past their best fighters.
“Maybe it will take a little while before anyone in boxing can do what Mayweather and Pacquiao were doing, 1.2, 1.5 pay-per-view sales,” said Garcia. “Right now with pay-per-view, 500,000 to 600,000, it’s already being a huge, huge hit. 400,000 is huge,” said Robert Garcia.
500-600K is not the same thing as 1.5 million buys. Garcia is kidding himself. The numbers are much lower than they used to be, and there’s a reason for that. The boxing public don’t see enough compelling fights for them to want to pay their hard-earned money. When you see a top fighter like Canelo facing a welterweight like Amir Khan or an obscure junior middleweight like Liam Smith, the fans aren’t going to want to pay to see that kind of thing. Manny Pacquiao fighting Tim Bradley for a third time and Jessie Vargas on PPV, those are not great fights. The top guys aren’t fighting each other often enough in the divisions that the fans are interested in. You’ve got promoters playing it safe with their fighters by putting them in too many sure thing fights where they know their fighter is going to likely win.
Right now, the UFC seems to be doing better than boxing, and one of the reasons for that is because they have interesting matches much of the time. The UFC is making better fights than what we’re seeing in boxing, and the fans are responding to that. When you see a UFC event bringing in 1 million buys, and then you compare it to the low PPV buys were seeing from the top fighters now in boxing, it’s clear that changes need to be made in the sport.
If Mayweather came back to the sport and was willing to face someone good like Keith Thurman or Golovkin, it would be a shot in the arm for the sport. Unfortunately, that’s not going to happen. Mayweather wants to fight a novice in McGregor in what will be a bad mismatch.
Mayweather hurt boxing says Robert Garcia » Boxing News