How does this fight go down..?
Don't let the long hair confuse you..Thurman beat Porter and Garcia and is 50-50 in this fight.
Thurman obviously does want the Pac fight as he wants the big paydays but what happens against Spence?
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How does this fight go down..?
Don't let the long hair confuse you..Thurman beat Porter and Garcia and is 50-50 in this fight.
Thurman obviously does want the Pac fight as he wants the big paydays but what happens against Spence?
Spence easily wins. Brook surprised me that he didn't look like he lost a step. Thurman won't last the distance.
Like I said in the other thread. Thurman doesn't back anyone up, anyone. You can't let Spence hunt you because that's where he is most comfortable.
Yep I think that's about it, not to mention the advantages Thurman usually has early on won't be there in this fight, or at least not workable. Even that aside, Spence is just a lot more cereberal and actually knows how to box. I think Spence-Crawford is the much better fight.
Also WTH is this talk of Thurman out 6 months for elbow surgery? I'm reading he had calcium deposits removed. That's a nothing surgery. 6 months my arse
I see it very even. It's the fight I want to see.
I want to see it too, but Thurman has proven over and over again that he has a hard time with good body work and good movement. Thurman is super athletic but seems to lack basic fundamentals. I am a Thurman fan but he has so many limitations that a fighter on Spences level will pick him apart with ease. Crawford would do the same. Pac would too if he isn't that over the hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Thurman is talking smack finally, now that he is out 6 months with a 2 month surgery. It looks sort of pathetic. But if he means it I'm pumped. And I would certainly give him respect if he came back vs Spence.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI want to see it too, but Thurman has proven over and over again that he has a hard time with good body work and good movement. Thurman is super athletic but seems to lack basic fundamentals. I am a Thurman fan but he has so many limitations that a fighter on Spences level will pick him apart with ease. Crawford would do the same. Pac would too if he isn't that over the hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I go with Thurman, more out of me being a fan of his than really thinking he will win.
Thurman finds a way to win but this is against everything he is weak at so he just must out hustle and muscle Spence for 36 minutes.
Perhaps he is hoping Porter will beat Spence in the meantime and then he gets his rematch with Porter early 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Thurman should relish this situation and surprise everyone like the Garcia/Matthyse situation.
Thurman is still unbeaten and in his prime.
If Thurman employed a jab he would have a shot, but he doesn't. His only hope is to land big shots right away to make Spence hesitant which the Brook fight suggests Spence is more than willing to take a few big shots. Or a perfect punch, and with his speed and power that is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But with the evidence from last night it seems quite clear the likely outcome is Spence uses Thurmans lack of a jab to hunt and hurt Thurman.
Brook landed good right hands, Thurman would also have to go to the body himself and possibly bully Spence to knock him off his game. Brook did look to be stronger than Spence but the boxing skills won the day for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIf Thurman employed a jab he would have a shot, but he doesn't. His only hope is to land big shots right away to make Spence hesitant which the Brook fight suggests Spence is more than willing to take a few big shots. Or a perfect punch, and with his speed and power that is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But with the evidence from last night it seems quite clear the likely outcome is Spence uses Thurmans lack of a jab to hunt and hurt Thurman.
The mental make up between the two is pretty far apart to me. Thurman has shown he has no problem coasting and trying to box for preservation, but he has this massive rigidity about him, It almost looks over rehearsed and bit uncertain. The guy is so tightly wound. And I'm fully convinced he has a glass gut, if that's a thing. Spence is just a methodical destroyer and has a genuine self confidence about him. Now I've said it before and again last night.....he really has yet to show a great ability or willingness to move side to side and can be somewhat straight forward and straight back but it's very deceiving. He shifts gears very quickly and changes that when he gets a guy hurt. Brook was literally lifting his leg at one point in the 7th or 8th off the body shots and once the 9th came Spence came out very fluid and looking to end it. Spence positions you with punches and knows how to invest very early, I don't see Thurman taking what he dishes out and think Spence stops him as well.
I think the same about Thurman. His bluster comes off very fake to me like he thinks he should say things but doesn't believe it. And his fights back it up. He says he decides to box the guys but he always makes that "decision" after he gets hit. I didn't expect him to get hit as much as he did vs Garcia and Porter. I find them both to be very limited. And if I did think he would get hit so much I wouldn't have expected him to hold up as well as he did. So I admit I underestimated him in some ways and overestimated him in others. So I've been wrong about him. But I'm still completely convinced he isn't about that action when Spence starts to dig into his midsection. And I'm convinced he knows he isn't about that action. Now that he is sidelined with his little elbow debridement surgery and claiming far more recovery time than is necessary for such a common minor surgery, now he speaks up? Comes off just as fake as the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I think eventually he will take the fight so not to break the facade. But he'll hope to catch Spence early and avoid that work. And when he gets that work the true Thurman will show, and he doesn't have what Brook had inside him.
Very good post. If they fight....Derrick James has done a great job of making Spencer's into a professional fighter. Thurman sucks, can't fight much at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Like almost everyone else I don't give Thurman much chance.
Gonna take some fighter to deal with the superb, non-stop Duran-esqe body bashing combined with the excellent, consistent southpaw jab. Thurman will quickly be reduced to swinging for a home run when he can trade, he can clump but is hardly Julian Jackson and susceptible to body and head.
Gonna need more than a "lucky" punch to get rid of Spence any time soon.
Collazo hurt Thurman to the body but maybe it was just a weird one off that a non puncher managed to catch somebody who had trained for an easy fight. Porter and Garcia didn't make a dent compared to Collazo. I have a feeling Spence will though. I can't see Thurman either outboxing or outworking Spence and I would guess another late stoppage for Spence.
Many old time trainers I was told in Gleason's gym long ago used to take guys with brittle hands or a lack of power making them body punchers and a bit more effective with the lesser incidence of hurting their hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Spence is a master at hitting guys on the move and cutting off the ring. 2 factors that will completely neutralize Thurman in the mid to late rounds once he gets on his bicycle.
Sounds solid to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
It's a great match up, but as others have stated, I think Spence's body work and aggression win him the fight. Thurman will be tricky and difficult throughout (especially the first half), but Spence is faster than Garcia and applies just as much pressure. Think Spence gets the decision but wouldn't be shocked with a late stoppage either.
If I was Thurman I would be 100% focussed and have to be on my A game. I would start fast and throw a lot of right hands and counter left hooks to put Spence off his jab. I would tie up Spence inside almost immediately so he can not work to the body.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
The second half of the fight I would become more unorthodox and use more movement and punches from unusual angles as Spence becomes more frustrated.
Thurman will have to use his physical strength throughout the fight and win a close, even split decision. Thurman would then be the man of the division and Floyd will have to come out of retirement to face his obvious successor.
I think Spence takes this in a close fight.. Maybe split, majority decision. Spence will make thurman fight more than he wants to and will end up edging him out most rounds. Thurman will catch him with some hard punches upstairs, but the body shots he'll end up taking in alot of these exchanges will catch up to him. Just my 2 cents.
Ugh after kov fell i need spence to win whom ive been high on since the olympics n not sure anyone around the weight beats him