say if they lived in the same times and Ali came down to light-heavy ot RJJ went up to heavy, who do you think would win?
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say if they lived in the same times and Ali came down to light-heavy ot RJJ went up to heavy, who do you think would win?
on a pound for pound bases roy would have beat him on points.
Well I think Ali would win at heavy and Jones would win at light~heavy.
Ali is too good at heavy weight for Roy Jones to even think about wanting a fight there. But at light heavy I think it would be about Jones because Ali would have a hard time to make that weight. If he did though it would be really close.
Thats what I'm thinking. There wasn't really much weight Ali could use. He was a big guy but he was all muscle and wasn't bulky for a heavy weight. He'd be weakned at light heavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by helminth
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
Maybe the question should be asked who would win an amateur bout between Ali and Jones if they lived at the same time because Ali was at 186 when he turned pro and never would have strained for any reason to get back at 175. Still an interesting question. As pros I would have to go with Ali at Heavyweight because he had the ability to adapt to his opponents in his prime and had the size and speed to compensate for Jones' speed and body movement. Billy Conn was way faster than Joe Louis and was ko'd twice. Ali by UD.
dumbest shat ever. ali by ud or ko.
Yep, cc.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
not really m8, if Ali had to come down to light-heavy who knows what state he would be in.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
if RJJ was Ali's size then I would pick Roy by UD...Looking back Ali had a bunch of skill and a bunch of intagibles heart, drive, will to win...but I just see Roy as being faster, sharper, more techinically sound, and just overall better.
That being said RJJ was better p4p, but he didn't fight the people Ali fought I mean had he fought Conn and Charles, and Tunney at light heavy yeah he'd be the best fighter that ever lived but I think that monicker belongs to guys like Louis, Pep, Robinson, Marciano, and so on
Nicely said have a cool click.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
i reckon ali. he could take a shot, roy cant. the ali in the cleveland williams fight would prevail. and people are forgeting that we missed the best of ali because of his ban that was at the time of his prime.
If RJJ was Ali's size i.e. 6 3/6 4, he wouldn't be as quick as he was at 5 11, and would lose his speed advantage. I'm sure I've mentioned it before but IMO heavyweights get a raw deal when comparing pd for pd, everyone mentions how the smaller guy in a comparison ( such as RJJ here) would be stronger and hit harder if he were the same size as the bigger guy, but they fail to say that he would also be a lot slower at that height and weight too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Prime for prime Ali would win hands down. If they fought at light heavy, possibly RJJ would win as the only version of Ali which could make 12st 7 is the inexperienced teenager as an amateur, and he would be at a distinct disadvantage against RJJ who was at his physical (and experience) prime at 12st 7.
I really don't think he'd be a whole bunch slower at 6'3/6'4 I mean it's only 5-6 inches, which wouldn't include too much weight as well so he'd be what maybe 210-215 or so.
P4P Roy is one of the greatest fighters, he just gets a bad rap for the fights that some say he didn't take and the 2 KO's he suffered when he came back down in weight.
5/6 inches is actually a pretty big difference. Stand next to a guy 5" shorter than you and you'll see right over his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I'm far from being an RJJ basher, I give as much notice to his losses to johnson/tarver as I would Ali's losses to Holmes/Berbick i.e. they didn't happen. RJJ is certainly an all time great light heavy, and probably the best of all light heavy's based on ability. But IMO Ali beats him prime for prime and pd for pd.
5/6 inches is a big height difference but not so much in regards to weight...just my opinion though.
I don't rate Ali as the best heavyweight, I think alot of what he did was bullcrap and he was soooooo boring post Liston
Yeah, he'd only have one arm so roy probably would win!Quote:
Originally Posted by Medina
It is a matter of judgement to consider Ali as the best or not, however, to call him so boring???Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
How about "Rumble in the Jungle", "The Thrilla in Manila"??? ???
Back to the topic, Ali would win at his best due to his superior boxing skills and harder chin IMO.
Ali would torture Jones.
If your talking p4p Roy Jones Jr. and at light heavyweight just because Ali wouldn't make it down to 175, but at heavyweight Ali wins IMO.
This makes no sense so far.. Because you are saying on the one hand PRIME Ali vs prime Jones, and then suddenly it's if Ali went to light heavy?? The only way Roy could win is if Ali were to somehow drain himself to a point where he wouldn't be prime at all.
Hard to pick. Watching Roy jones against Tarver and Johnson I pick Ali. But watching the Alonzo Johnson, Zora Folley, Jimmy Young fights, I pick Roy Jones. If neither had ever lookedbad it would be impossible to beat. All fighters look unbeatable for one night. And All fighters look very beatable for one or two nights. They each have a best performance and a worst performance, so it's impossible to pick unless they fought and exposed each other's weaknesses.
Ali had a chin of steal. And unbelievable belief in himself (He ducked no one).
Not only that, he could box on the outside as well as the inside.
On the outside he dominated Frazier, but in between he had to survive Smokin' Joe's inside game and hang in there with Joe. Ali didn't look great in every fight, yes. But in every HUGE fight that mattered, he fought like a legend.
And he beat Superman. ;D
haha silly question ....Ali easily ...ask RJJ hes been asked this question hes said hed rather see him self matched against sugar ray robinson ...Ali was just as fast but hit harder was taller and danced more
anyway i dont think there is a chance in hell teh way Tarver could tangle w/ him using his reach only being 6'2 Ali was 6'3 212 ....Ali by KO b4 round 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdBK...ch=roy%20jones
you must have forgot
Unbelievably bad thread - do people seriously think that a natural super middleweight who spent most of his career fighting tomato cans is going to compete with one of the best natural heavyweights who ever lived?
Ali was a genuinely brave man, he stood up to bullies and would not be intimidated. he outboxed boxers and would be faster than Jones. He stopped and knocked out punchers and would hit harder than Jones. He was tactically magnificent and would not sleepwalk away from the judges decision.
He did not cut, he only swelled up against a pressure fighter like Frazier (so would I!), he would outpsyche Jones, outmanoevre Jones, outbox and outhit Jones.
There is no way in the world Jones could have won this matchup. Has anyone asked him, I wonder?
ur right we forgot tht he was a 5'11 midleweight who was big and fast and teh lt heavy ...Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
maybe youve never boxed much but a 84 inch reach and fast feet and a great jab (ali) can nutralize ANYTHING under 200lbs and 6'0 ....watch teh Ruiz fight ...the way roy had no power really and had to move in and out ...ali would move in and out just as quick only hed be catching him ....
no offense this really is a silly thread i think RJJ would laugh at the thought of him beating Ali ...cuz he has been asked b4 and his response was he sees himself more equal to sugar ray ....
Agreed - this thread is very, very silly. The only similarity between RJJ and Ali is that they were both blessed with the speed and athletic gifts to fight in a technically unsound manner and still prevail. I just can't take comparing them as fighters, or human-beings for that matter, seriously. Ali wins every day and twice on Sunday.
um Jones pretty much didn't look bad at his prime... except maybe Montell 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
that was the disqualification fight wasnt it, i thought he looked good. and awesome in the rematch
i have said it many times before, roy jones was no quicker than evander holyfield if they fought at cruizer weight and if he was it was marginal and holyfield hit harder took a better punch so how in the world could he beat ali?????????????????? ::** ::**
Forget Ali, the best heavyweight who ever lived, Roy couldn't deal with The Real Deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
I'm tellin' yah, Roy would fall to the pressure of cruiserweight Holyfield. Holyfield would make it a brawl and eat "You'all musta forgot" up.
Gyrokai cool click for you, it is funny how little people here have seen of evander at cruizer his only big test was dwight quawi with 11 fights evander had and it was evander winning and dominating the first five with speed, he tired but came back late. He was untocuhed at cruizer, I have seen roy near that weight and evander and the biggest suprise to all of you is that there would not have been a huge differenc ein quickeness their at that weight before holy bulked up and holy certainly had a power punch at cruizer, took a better punch and might have been better conditioned. So ali is beyond preposterous he had long arms and roy could not have outboxed him, much like a larger version of winky mosley
A little bit of exaggeration, Holyfield was not 'untouched' at 190lbs. If Qawi had used better tactics, he would of won fight one. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
Roy Jones was faster at heavyweight well past his prime against Ruiz then Evander was at Cruiserweight... WTF are you talking about? Anyways its not fair to compare a guy who is naturally 30 pounds lighter than another guy. In my honest opinion Ali wasn't all that fast and got hit way more than he should have... Roy kept his speed well into his 30's while Ali lost it by the time he was like 29... which inclines me to believe he wasn't as much as faster as Roy was than the competition or because Roy JOnes Jr. was on drugs... I personally think it was both.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
[quote=Taeth ]
WTF - Prime Ali was before his three year ban and nobody has ever seen a hevayweight that fast who got hit that little.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
Taeth you think roy would have fought hopkins or toney in his 9th pro fight or so? No dude sorry roy wasnt faster at 200 pounds than holyfield at cruizer he was fighting john ruiz, sur ehes gonna look fast against a fighter who has horrible hansdspeed poor footwork and hasnt a speck of boxing ability Fine lets cut the bs, you want to put a prime roy jones in against a prime 22 year old holyfield at cruizer and you think roy is that much faster? id luv to see it you guys would have been shocked. If roy was faster it was marginall but he would pitty pat at that weight against evander while evander hit harder and had a longer reach took a beeter punch and was probably better condtioned and naturally bigger. let the flaming begin but if you want to bump roy up to 200 pounds against holyfield when he was 206 at heavy again roy is marginally faster but a pitt ypat 1-2 against evander is all he could muster while evander was quick enough to counter and hurt roy. Holyfield had very fast hands when he was younger he has a reputation for being a warrior but he wa sat his beast when he boxed. evander should win he is the bigger man i understand that but you guys make more of roy at the higher weights than he was, he beat john ruiz on of the worst heavies i have ever seen. Funny roy picked ruiz and not byrd why was that? Who gave roy trouble albeit past his prime? Another boxer? I think byrd is overated but roy avoided him and hes close to roys size at heavy. Also ali wasnt just fast he had boxing ability, did you see wink wright shane mosley or the soon to be taylor wright. Happens quite often a long reach great jab nullifys speed, again sure roy was probably faster than a 29 year old ali but a 21-22 year old? As you get older and bigger you get slower, roy was not as fast as you think at heavy he fought john ruiz dude
Just to add a side note, I have said for years a fighter like tommy hearns would give roy trouble, becaus eof his dimensions a long boxer with a great jab and right hand. Sure roy was past his best against tarver but tarver has a good jab and a decent right hand and wow what a mystery he gave roy problems. A great jab nullifys speed and roy never fought anyone with a great jab and no on ein the history of boxing had a better one than ali ;) Roy is legend around his weight class no doubt and yet tommy hearns would have posted a stylistic problem for him Im not saying he would have won but he would have posed a problem. Boxing is styles.
Everyone seems to forget Ali won gold as a light heavy...When he fought in his early years he was only in the low 200's plus we had no cruiser division...Ali's speed was too much for Even Roy at any weight and later on in Ali's career when he developed the ability to take a punch Roy would'nt of had to POP to Ko him
Evander Holyfield would have been too big, too fast and too strong for Jones - never mind Ali!!
Good post about Tommy hearns - I would not have thought about it, but I think you're right!
Jones only has one fight against Ruiz at heavyweight! He's not even in the same class as Ali. Ali vs. Lennox Lewis would've been a better fight.
Jones probably would have a better chance against a smallerr fighter with a shorter reach like Holyfield or Bryd.