Haye splits from McGuigan, still plans to win world title...

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David Haye and trainer Shane McGuigan split after Tony Bellew defeat

David Haye has called time on his relationship with trainer Shane McGuigan following his upset defeat by Tony Bellew.

The 36-year-old only worked with McGuigan for three fights, but the pair have parted company on good terms after Haye was stopped in the 11th round by Bellew at The O2 in March.

An Achilles injury hampered Haye during the defeat and surgery could mean he does not return to the ring until the end of the year.

A statement from Haye read: "Shane and I have come to the mutual decision that when I am ready to go back into full training camp, we will no longer be working together as boxer and coach.

"We remain good friends and will always metaphorically be in each other's corner, but both parties agreed moving forward we weren't right for each other.

"I remain deepy indebted to Shane for playing a pivotal role in my comeback to date. I will be forever grateful for his hard work and tutelage. I would not be in the position I am now without this.

"I wish Shane, his stable of fighters and everyone at Cyclone Promotions the best of luck in the future - they are set to have an explosive few months."

McGuigan recently steered George Groves to a world title at the fourth attempt, with the Londoner forcing a sixth round stoppage of Fedor Chudinov to claim the WBA 'super' super-middleweight title last Saturday.

Bellew remains open to a rematch with Haye, although he has also expressed an interest in challenging either WBO champion Joseph Parker or WBC title holder Deontay Wilder.

Haye issued a positive bulletin on his condition in the same statement, adding: "I'm pleased to confirm rehabilitation is going well and I will make a complete recovery.

"Whilst I am not quite in a position to be announcing my next opponent, my passion for the sport remains unwavered and desire to regain my heavyweight title is stronger than ever."

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Strange to see him split with one of the best young trainers out there. Will Haye go back to Booth?

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Originally Posted by Master

Strange to see him split with one of the best young trainers out there. Will Haye go back to Booth?

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I reckon so

Haye can do anything he wants nobody cares anymore.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Haye can do anything he wants nobody cares anymore.

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I wish it was true but he is good at making noise and people start to listen and some start to believe again.

McGuigan is fucking clueless when his fighters are up against it and the his tactics aren't working, Frampton and Haye both received shit advise during the rounds in each of their last fights.

He needs to work on that to become a top trainer.

Shane McGuigan is building up a decent stable and I think he probably decided that he couldn't make Haye the sole focus of his attention, which is probably what Haye would like. Going over to Miami and sipping cocktails (albeit alcohol free) in a hot tub on a boat with a punchbag probably isn't the way Shane wants to work. He probably also advised Haye to call it a day because of the Achilles injury , so it was pretty untenable.

Haye needs someone to chew his ass and make him train hard if he wishes to ever fulfill what potential he has left. Gotta say Haye has made Stevenson's win over Bellew look better now.

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Haye can do anything he wants nobody cares anymore.

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I wish it was true but he is good at making noise and people start to listen and some start to believe again.

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I care

I like watching david haye fight, more often than not its exciting and I prefer watching fights that are exciting

and I don't hold grudges

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Originally Posted by smashup

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

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Originally Posted by smashup

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

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Maybe Haye is not physically able to last 12 rounds and Shane saw the signs while he was training him. Shane is only trying to be truthful but Haye must be seeing the money signs.

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Originally Posted by smashup

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

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Maybe Haye is not physically able to last 12 rounds and Shane saw the signs while he was training him. Shane is only trying to be truthful but Haye must be seeing the money signs.

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it looks like the leg injury was there before the fight, is that not fixed now tho?

obviously you and I don't know what the extent of the injury / injuries are

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Originally Posted by smashup

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

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Maybe Haye is not physically able to last 12 rounds and Shane saw the signs while he was training him. Shane is only trying to be truthful but Haye must be seeing the money signs.

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it looks like the leg injury was there before the fight, is that not fixed now tho?

obviously you and I don't know what the extent of the injury / injuries are

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If Shane thinks Haye's body is physically shot then maybe David should listen.

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Originally Posted by smashup

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

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Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.

What did Shane do for him? The only reason Haye was with him is because the gym is a nice snazzy modern one 5 minutes from Haye's old one. Trainer, that has no affiliation/history with star fighter, gets sack after defeat - all par for the course.

When Haye comes back he can claim Shane should've never threw the towel in and stuff like that to deflect away from how shot he is.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by smashup

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

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Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.

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if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sack

IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by smashup

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

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Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.

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if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sack

IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up

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I bet it was Haye was the one that wanted to take the chance because he thought it was only Bellew. If it was anyone decent he would not have taken the chance.

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Originally Posted by smashup

Mcguigan told Haye that he should retire so Haye left him.

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if that is true and the injury is healing as haye says it is then that's bad advice

a fit haye that would last 5 rounds would beat bellew, if his heart is still in it, which it seems to be then why not at least aim for that?

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Well that's clearly not true, because he lasted 5 rounds and didn't beat Bellew. and if , as you say , (and I believe) he had the injury before he went in the ring, He should never have entered the ring. To go in the ring with a clear injury when he's earning the money he was , with all the spectators and PPV customers paying is scandalous! he has in effect conned the public.
when the public pay their money and these guys earn the ridiculous money they earn for a meaningless fight, then they should at least be "match fit".
Still , if that doesn't bother you, carry on shelling out your dough for panto match ups.

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if Haye was fit from the off then the tactics were shocking and mcguigan deserves the sack

IMO he fought 5 rounds knowing the leg would go having done very little, if any, sparring in the build up

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I'm trying to get this straight from your comments. It doesn't seem like you have a problem with the fact that he may have gone into a fight knowing he was injured.
I find this all pretty strange to be honest.
I've always liked and rated Haye, so I'm not a hater. But if a guy goes into a fight where he's earning , let's face it, way more than what the fight is worth, you at least want him to be fit surely?

well he went for a scan on his ankle the week before the fight

and in the first 5 rounds he looks worse than he has ever looked, timing and accuracy worse than its ever been with the only tactic being trying to land a bomb

and he has gotten a whole load of abuse in the past for pulling out of fights injured

I think he went into the fight thinking he could still win despite the injury

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Originally Posted by erics44

well he went for a scan on his ankle the week before the fight

and in the first 5 rounds he looks worse than he has ever looked, timing and accuracy worse than its ever been with the only tactic being trying to land a bomb

and he has gotten a whole load of abuse in the past for pulling out of fights injured

I think he went into the fight thinking he could still win despite the injury

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I agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.

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Originally Posted by erics44

well he went for a scan on his ankle the week before the fight

and in the first 5 rounds he looks worse than he has ever looked, timing and accuracy worse than its ever been with the only tactic being trying to land a bomb

and he has gotten a whole load of abuse in the past for pulling out of fights injured

I think he went into the fight thinking he could still win despite the injury

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I agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.

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from my personal point of view I watched it on TV and paid £15 for it or something like that and I thought it was a very entertaining fight, probably a lot more entertaining than it would have been if he was fully fit

say I am right and he was injured and he knew he was, do you think he should have pulled out?

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Originally Posted by erics44

well he went for a scan on his ankle the week before the fight

and in the first 5 rounds he looks worse than he has ever looked, timing and accuracy worse than its ever been with the only tactic being trying to land a bomb

and he has gotten a whole load of abuse in the past for pulling out of fights injured

I think he went into the fight thinking he could still win despite the injury

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I agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.

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from my personal point of view I watched it on TV and paid £15 for it or something like that and I thought it was a very entertaining fight, probably a lot more entertaining than it would have been if he was fully fit

say I am right and he was injured and he knew he was, do you think he should have pulled out?

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Yes just as Manny Pacquiao should have done if he blamed his shoulder for his loss.

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well he went for a scan on his ankle the week before the fight

and in the first 5 rounds he looks worse than he has ever looked, timing and accuracy worse than its ever been with the only tactic being trying to land a bomb

and he has gotten a whole load of abuse in the past for pulling out of fights injured

I think he went into the fight thinking he could still win despite the injury

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I agree with everything you said, his timing was shite , he has had abuse in the past and he probably did take Bellew lightly. But my point is that how do YOU feel about a professional athlete earning millions for a fight going into it without even being fully fit? People bought tickets and PPV to see the best David Haye , which isn't unreasonable considering he was paid the best money.
after all, it's not like they can go back to Haye and say "alright you weren't properly fit , so we'll only pay you half!" yet he can think " I'm not properly fit , but I'll take the money anyway and a bit of a gamble" .
doesn't seem right to me.

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from my personal point of view I watched it on TV and paid £15 for it or something like that and I thought it was a very entertaining fight, probably a lot more entertaining than it would have been if he was fully fit

say I am right and he was injured and he knew he was, do you think he should have pulled out?

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Entertaining! Fair enough . So when AJ Fights Wlad again, Wlad should hit AJ with a Baseball bat, or Bite him, or fuck it , give him a full blown French kiss, cos that would be entertaining wouldn't it?:rolleyes:
If you're right and he was injured and he knew he was, the likelihood is that he did little or no sparring , and that would explain how awful his timing was, don't you agree?
Taking all that into consideration, of course he should've pulled out . If he has genuine medical proof of an injury, fuck what everybody thinks!
He had proof of 2 injuries when he pulled out against Fury, fair enough. He didn't pull out against Wlad, he made himself look a cunt. He didn't pull out against Bellew, he made himself look a cunt, not for losing, or for the guts he showed in the last 6 rounds, but for how shit he was in the first 6 rounds due to his unfitness and lack of timing. Bit of a trend there I think.
He should've learnt from his previous mistake.