Who should Andre Ward fight next Stevenson, Cruiserweight, Heavyweight, Kovalev?
Printable View
Who should Andre Ward fight next Stevenson, Cruiserweight, Heavyweight, Kovalev?
Bellew
Stevenson would be the obvious match at LHW to unify the titles. Then if he really wants to move up to cruiser he can.
This will sell due the creed attachment but bellew makes more money heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
Ward should stay at his weight and dominate.
Beterbiev or Stevenson
Ward could go up to HW and beat Bellew. In fact I would love to see Ward call Bellew out and see what Matchroom and Bellew have to say about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by impThis will sell due the creed attachment but bellew makes more money heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
Ward should stay at his weight and dominate.
It's a sure fire way of silencing Bellew. Ha.
Well he can fight anyone and beat anyone he chooses now he has a good strategy. All he has to do is rock his opponent with one good punch then finish them off with low blows :gayfight2:
fifyQuote:
Originally Posted by kickmuck
Stevenson is the fight that makes sense. But can it be done? Ward is an HBO guy, they can't win any sort of bidding situation. Would Ward be willing to fight on another network? Where do they stage the fight? Last fight of Stevenson's the crowd seemed sparce. Stevensons network in Wards town makes the most sense as it is most profitable but doubt that happens.
SissyQuote:
Originally Posted by kickmuck
People that say "sissy" are always very tough hahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by KickMuckSissyQuote:
Originally Posted by kickmuck
Also, good quote skills. You seems like a MENSA member.
Thanks Ron. I feel enlightened with wisdom from your wise words of knowledge.
Stevenson will be 40 this year, I would think he/his managers will decide to "cash him out" some time soon, there is only so much money to be made fighting karpency and bika in quebec after all.. I dont know if ward pays enough for stevenson to take him on though, i would guess he is more likely to take on kovalev than ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
As for ward I doubt he will make mandatory defences of his belts and look to poach belts from the higher weight classes from weak champions, I think ward is pretty close to being retired now and fair enough he has done great.
I couldn't care less. He is horrible to watch, cheats in every fight and should be boycotted.
Might be easier to just list who you aren't boycottingQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I think Cruiserweight is pretty decent right now and Ward would struggle with the size of those fellas. I mean he just now looks like a real light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqStevenson will be 40 this year, I would think he/his managers will decide to "cash him out" some time soon, there is only so much money to be made fighting karpency and bika in quebec after all.. I dont know if ward pays enough for stevenson to take him on though, i would guess he is more likely to take on kovalev than ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
As for ward I doubt he will make mandatory defences of his belts and look to poach belts from the higher weight classes from weak champions, I think ward is pretty close to being retired now and fair enough he has done great.
I mean for example against Usyk he would be giving up 7 inches in reach.
Giving his proficiency for riding a beltline maybe Abner Mares??? Todays Hopkins if he wants to see his future years in a mirror.
You are boycotting Floyd and Ward. I'll give you a list of other fighters to boycott. Crawford, Loma, Rigo, GGG, Chocolatito...I think there's a pattern here. Are you just boycotting the best fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Basically James Toney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonMight be easier to just list who you aren't boycottingQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Just not into these divas that cheat. Once fair enough as bad things do happen, but Wards legacy from Kessler to this and it's a trail of butts, low blows and shenanigans. He was outboxed by Kovalev twice and yet still the Americans go on about him being sublime and the best in the world. It's utter nonsense.
Seeing the end in slow motion just makes me more angry. Kovalev actually did better in this fight. He let his hands go more and sure it was a rubbish round 8, but to stop it on a full blow to the meat and vegetables is one of the worst things I have seen in boxing. Up there with the Khan/Barerra fight. Kovalev was winning this fight and all the stats back that up. Ward waking up for 1 minute does does equal a win or make any cancellation of how he lost half the fight. Kovalev's stock goes up for me as I think he made the adjustments he needed to. Same as with Groves who is better than Froch.
Nah, it boils down to Ward and Mayweather. One is a cheat and the other is pisstaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou are boycotting Floyd and Ward. I'll give you a list of other fighters to boycott. Crawford, Loma, Rigo, GGG, Chocolatito...I think there's a pattern here. Are you just boycotting the best fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm into most other fighters and especially James Toney. I love Lomachenko and think he is the best fighter since Joe Calzaghe. GGG is great too. Rigo is borderline boycotted after that last fight. He has one more chance when he fights again in the next 2 years.
I can't tell if you have been trolling or you just have no idea what is going onQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNah, it boils down to Ward and Mayweather. One is a cheat and the other is pisstaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou are boycotting Floyd and Ward. I'll give you a list of other fighters to boycott. Crawford, Loma, Rigo, GGG, Chocolatito...I think there's a pattern here. Are you just boycotting the best fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm into most other fighters and especially James Toney. I love Lomachenko and think he is the best fighter since Joe Calzaghe. GGG is great too. Rigo is borderline boycotted after that last fight. He has one more chance when he fights again in the next 2 years.
Trolling? I am for real. I don't joke about these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI can't tell if you have been trolling or you just have no idea what is going onQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNah, it boils down to Ward and Mayweather. One is a cheat and the other is pisstaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou are boycotting Floyd and Ward. I'll give you a list of other fighters to boycott. Crawford, Loma, Rigo, GGG, Chocolatito...I think there's a pattern here. Are you just boycotting the best fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm into most other fighters and especially James Toney. I love Lomachenko and think he is the best fighter since Joe Calzaghe. GGG is great too. Rigo is borderline boycotted after that last fight. He has one more chance when he fights again in the next 2 years.
Ward is a cheat and not once but in many fights now. Mayweather is a pisstaker. These are pretty standard points of view.
My love of James Toney runs deep and is genuine.
Calzaghe is the greatest of all fighters and was unbeatable. He would have sorted Ward out with or without the cheating.
My views on Rigo are flexible.
Gandalf is clueless on this one. He is besotted by James Toney and anti-Ward for no real reason. I agree Kov was winning but Ward was getting on top and was taking over. Kov should have been more ring wise and resisted the low blows and ref being blind to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI can't tell if you have been trolling or you just have no idea what is going onQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNah, it boils down to Ward and Mayweather. One is a cheat and the other is pisstaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou are boycotting Floyd and Ward. I'll give you a list of other fighters to boycott. Crawford, Loma, Rigo, GGG, Chocolatito...I think there's a pattern here. Are you just boycotting the best fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm into most other fighters and especially James Toney. I love Lomachenko and think he is the best fighter since Joe Calzaghe. GGG is great too. Rigo is borderline boycotted after that last fight. He has one more chance when he fights again in the next 2 years.
Ward has upset me ever since the Billy goating of Mikkel Kessler that screwed up his eye and shortened his career. There are never any repurcussions for his frankly dangerous and unsporting behavior. No I don't like him. I am anti-Ward because he is a cheat and it happens in all too many fights with him. Look at the slow motion replay, Master and then tell me there is no reason to dislike him. The man is a bit like Wlad in that he got to do what he wanted and spoiled many a potentially good fight. You didn't see James Toney fighting like that. How can you resist a punch to the balls? What are you meant to do? Are they meant to retreat into the body as the punch comes towards him? No, I am not impressed at all. Twice Ward was outboxed and twice the inhouse boxer gets a gift. I've seen enough boxing to know that oen bad round does not mean a fighter is done. They kill the clock, get a breather and come back hard if they are elite and Kovalev didn't get a chance to prove it. Stopped to the cock. You couldn't make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGandalf is clueless on this one. He is besotted by James Toney and anti-Ward for no real reason. I agree Kov was winning but Ward was getting on top and was taking over. Kov should have been more ring wise and resisted the low blows and ref being blind to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI can't tell if you have been trolling or you just have no idea what is going onQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNah, it boils down to Ward and Mayweather. One is a cheat and the other is pisstaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou are boycotting Floyd and Ward. I'll give you a list of other fighters to boycott. Crawford, Loma, Rigo, GGG, Chocolatito...I think there's a pattern here. Are you just boycotting the best fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm into most other fighters and especially James Toney. I love Lomachenko and think he is the best fighter since Joe Calzaghe. GGG is great too. Rigo is borderline boycotted after that last fight. He has one more chance when he fights again in the next 2 years.
You are making it up! You need to give credit to Ward and his skills and stop focusing on the negative. I have said Kov could have reacted far better than he did and should have punched Ward low back if the ref was not stopping it. It seems the fight was taken out of Kov because Ward was getting stronger and taking it to Kov.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWard has upset me ever since the Billy goating of Mikkel Kessler that screwed up his eye and shortened his career. There are never any repurcussions for his frankly dangerous and unsporting behavior. No I don't like him. I am anti-Ward because he is a cheat and it happens in all too many fights with him. Look at the slow motion replay, Master and then tell me there is no reason to dislike him. The man is a bit like Wlad in that he got to do what he wanted and spoiled many a potentially good fight. You didn't see James Toney fighting like that. How can you resist a punch to the balls? What are you meant to do? Are they meant to retreat into the body as the punch comes towards him? No, I am not impressed at all. Twice Ward was outboxed and twice the inhouse boxer gets a gift. I've seen enough boxing to know that oen bad round does not mean a fighter is done. They kill the clock, get a breather and come back hard if they are elite and Kovalev didn't get a chance to prove it. Stopped to the cock. You couldn't make it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGandalf is clueless on this one. He is besotted by James Toney and anti-Ward for no real reason. I agree Kov was winning but Ward was getting on top and was taking over. Kov should have been more ring wise and resisted the low blows and ref being blind to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI can't tell if you have been trolling or you just have no idea what is going onQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNah, it boils down to Ward and Mayweather. One is a cheat and the other is pisstaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou are boycotting Floyd and Ward. I'll give you a list of other fighters to boycott. Crawford, Loma, Rigo, GGG, Chocolatito...I think there's a pattern here. Are you just boycotting the best fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm into most other fighters and especially James Toney. I love Lomachenko and think he is the best fighter since Joe Calzaghe. GGG is great too. Rigo is borderline boycotted after that last fight. He has one more chance when he fights again in the next 2 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SDcFSO9TNM
Paulie agrees.
The video does not lie and I am not making anything up. You owe me a letter of apology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLxlV5C4KHY
I am not saying the blows were not low but Kov could have taken a knee and punched ward back if the ref was not going to stop it. Instead he cowered and practically gave up.
@Gandalf I, in part, agree with you
I think one way or another Kov has been bummed out of it, not just the fight, his fair purse and the rest
there was only one way he was gonna win and that was by a clear knockout, and even then ?
Rocky 4, America v Russia, one of America's few elite fighters, lb4lb contender, going in against a tall powerful, straight up, robotic like Russian killing machine
there was no way Kov would be allowed to win
he didn't do himself any favours tho when the last few seconds came, I almost agree with the stoppage
If he took a knee it would be a 10-8 round and if he punched Ward low you know the ref wouldn't be having it. You knew the fix was in with the judges, the refereeing, with HBO. It was an awful example for boxing to set and it should have been something special. Once again boxing has a black eye. I won't give credit to a cheat who always has the advantages and who always has his cheating overlooked. Once is an accident, again and again a habit. Andre Ward is spoiled. Personally I think Kovalev should have wacked him in the balls. Maybe next time he could do it in round 1 and end the fight there and then. As hard as he can to the balls and of course he would be disqualified. Like Khan/Barrera, a homeboys fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Ward hints at AJ bout
Andre Ward says he would be open to a move up to heavyweight and has hinted at a possible clash against world champion Anthony Joshua.
The unbeaten American retained his world light-heavyweight titles on Saturday after a stoppage victory over Sergey Kovalev in their rematch in Las Vegas.
Ward first stepped up from the super-middleweight ranks to face the Russian last November and the 33-year-old has now admitted a bout against the WBA and IBF heavyweight champion could tempt him to make the step up to the top division.
"I always seem to be knocking down giants one by one," Ward said. "Heavyweight, that's always been a dream of mine. It's got to be against the right guy, but I dream big and anything is possible."
Ward added: "He [Ward's trainer Virgil Hunter] has always been setting the bar high, that is the essence of our team right there.
"That man will have me believing things that I never even thought of. Like, 'Anthony Joshua, really?' and it will make perfect sense to him. So we'll see."
Hunter first suggested the idea of Ward facing Joshua and believes his man has the attributes to outbox the British knockout specialist.
Ward would also not be the first fighter to make the leap, with the legendary Roy Jones Jr having moved up from the light-heavyweight division in 2003 to defeat John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title.
"Fighting a bigger man doesn't have to do with size, it has to do with your attributes and their attributes," Hunter said.
"If you are able to single out one thing that makes it a competitive fight for yourself, you take that chance.
"I'd like to see him fight Anthony Joshua. I'm not playing, I'm serious. I think it would be a very interesting fight. I believe he could outbox Anthony Joshua.
"There's some things about Joshua that I see. He's a good kid, I know him, but I see things with him in particular and he is the best [of the heavyweight champions], but styles make fights.
"It would be a waste of time to go to the cruiserweights, we should just leapfrog it, go for it all."
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxin...cid=spartanntp
Hit AJ in the nuts and see what happens.
You posted the video, but did you watch the video? Because Paulie clearly does not agree with you. He said Ward took over and would get a clear stoppage. That's the part you fail to recognize. Yes, low blows shouldn't have ended it. But you fail to acknowledge that low blows did not decide it. Kovalev was done, and he was done from legit punches. You skip that. The one side acknowledges all that happened, you only acknowledge one detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Peach of a shot to the gonads. No ambiguity there.
If you can't beat them, boycott them.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI can't tell if you have been trolling or you just have no idea what is going onQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfNah, it boils down to Ward and Mayweather. One is a cheat and the other is pisstaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou are boycotting Floyd and Ward. I'll give you a list of other fighters to boycott. Crawford, Loma, Rigo, GGG, Chocolatito...I think there's a pattern here. Are you just boycotting the best fighters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm into most other fighters and especially James Toney. I love Lomachenko and think he is the best fighter since Joe Calzaghe. GGG is great too. Rigo is borderline boycotted after that last fight. He has one more chance when he fights again in the next 2 years.
It doesn't matter how you all wanna justify the win For Ward. Fact is he finished him off with shots to the bollocks.
Ok fine Ward won fair and square.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFzrIExfX3c
Not one person has said that. But I suppose it is easier to win an argument where you make up the opposing side right? It's intellectually dishonest though.Quote:
Originally Posted by KickMuck
A general rule of thumb is if you find it necessary to be intellectually dishonest you are probably on the wrong side of the argument.
This guy.... Cup splitting fight for the ages...
https://youtu.be/EcWbwmUDtoI
I would like to see Ward beat Stevenson next. He completely cleaned out a tough 168 pound class, so I'd like to see him do the same at 175 prior to moving up and trying his hand at cruiser. In a perfect world he would unify cruiser after 175, and finish his career by beating a flawed heavyweight for the title. He ranks very high historically if he does that...
hlo every one my name is mathew hayden and am a writer