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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAqIFtlH_hA&t=2s
Anyone else get the feeling that they will say it wasn't a terror attack and that the dude had a long standing history of mental illness?
Its fucking terrible man, I'm interested to see how much press this gets.
Thing is the dude that done it is just going to give them more ammunition and more (misguided) reason to allow themselves to become radicalised
I believe they have called it a terrorist attack.
The man may probably be labelled mentally ill.
It could have been far worse, I think he got the wrong exit and crowd were gathered around someone that required first aid.
The mayor of London came right out saying it was a terror attack. They also said May is gathering some emergency councilQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman
Why are people in droves complaining about double-standards if the van driver is labled mentally ill? I thought that's what the islamic terrorists were? This is all very confusing.
What exactly is the PC way to label terrorists?
One is brain washed the other may have a persistent mental illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Or acute or chronicQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterOne is brain washed the other may have a persistent mental illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Damn it sure has been a bloody Ramadan so far
Anyone that believes they're an agent for an imaginary being should definitely be put in the mentally ill box.
I worked out all the complaints are about the way the press has reported it, even though since 5am, when I first heard of it, the MSM (LBC radio) have called the cunt a terrorist.
We live in an age full of paranoid blinkered "victims."
I'm not sure the "revenge" thread title is appropriate, it implies the victims did something wrong. We don't know fully what the terrorists motives were yet? He might hate muslims because a ginger beard cut him up or an asian served him a dodgy ruby or something
Its why I placed TWO question marks. Its exploratory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I have taken it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustIts why I placed TWO question marks. Its exploratory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yes we wouldn't want to ponder that Sick possibility, good it has been taken off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI have taken it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustIts why I placed TWO question marks. Its exploratory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Lots of people resisted doggedly to call many of the Islamic terrorist attacks as "terrorism", preferring instead to call it merely "a bunch of parts/miscreants". Now look how fast this is called terrorism! Terrorism is terrorism!!! Yeah OK!!!! Now this man is much more than just a "prat" right? What utter agenda-driven bullshit.
It's why I didn't change it. Nice use of question marksQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustIts why I placed TWO question marks. Its exploratory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Horrible attack, obviously will not do much to better the situation in England.
Nobody wants any of these attacks other than ISIS and perhaps a few mental patients who think a race war or a religious war is a brilliant idea. Here's hoping tomorrow is a better day.
WowQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
A bunch of prats only! It ain't terrorism! Or how about "he wasn't a Muslim terrorist, he was mentally ill!". Remember that gem?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
WowQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustA bunch of prats only! It ain't terrorism! Or how about "he wasn't a Muslim terrorist, he was mentally ill!". Remember that gem?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Knew youd agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzexactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustA bunch of prats only! It ain't terrorism! Or how about "he wasn't a Muslim terrorist, he was mentally ill!". Remember that gem?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Yes I remember a year ago people insisting that the far right white murderer of Jo Cox was not a terrorist and you yourself taking the side of those who mocked her widowed husband for being part of an anti-hate group which people were only to quick to label extremist.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustKnew youd agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzexactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustA bunch of prats only! It ain't terrorism! Or how about "he wasn't a Muslim terrorist, he was mentally ill!". Remember that gem?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I remember very clearly how you lauded the Daily Mail and it's editor as some kind of hero just as you bigged up the French National Front.
The same Mail who today referred to this terrorist as only "A white van driver" and tried to blame the Muslim victims just like you tried to insinuate with you original 'Revenge??" thread title.
You have the temerity to moan about some perceived misjustice in which the perpetrator is labelled correctly as the scum he is and want to take the opportunity to castigate people for something they never said but you so wish they said.
You wish that people would just call terrorists miscreants and mentally ill so that you could take the moral high ground, because that is how fucking thin the windowsill you are standing on is.
You just make shit up.
Some white guy stabs Muslim women in America, and he is "mentally ill", "not right"
Some white guy shots and stabs an MP whilst yelling "Britain First" and you and most of the people on the right here and in wider mainstream society refuse to call him a terrorist.
And then you turn it all around and pretend that people have refused to call Islamic Extremists terrorists. Which on here, nobody ever has.
Utter bullshit from you again and I really fail to understand what you are trying to achieve.
Don't judge everyone to be like you.
We do not have an agenda.
I thought it would be quite clear that one of the things that separates us from people like this.
No agenda.
This is what happens when people listen to idiots like Tommy Robinson and Anjem Choudary. Two sides of the same coin.
One difference
NOBODY defends or quotes Choudary or any other Islamic extremists on here but there is plenty of stuff from Far right rubbish.
National Front, EDL, Infowars hate stirring cunts like Watson and Milo etc
This was not a terrorist attack . a terrorist has a political agenda.
This guy was a wack job trying to kill muslims.
Trying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
The terrorists usually put together a plan a coordinated with a group and have a plan to carry out after the initial event. These suicide bombers they have caught that either failed to blow the vest or were caught prior to the event exhibited no sign of acute mental illness. That's is not true in 100 percent of the cases but look how the 9/11 guys were able to remain under the radar. They were not schizophrenic etc. I know nothing of the of the dude who drove into the mosque people, certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was clinically insane. There is a big difference between an unstable guy thinking he is carrying out a revenge attack if this is what it was and someone who is following directions from the Koran or an organized group. The whole thing is a shame. You English are a violent lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzTrying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Guy lived in Wales and married with 3/4 children.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusThe terrorists usually put together a plan a coordinated with a group and have a plan to carry out after the initial event. These suicide bombers they have caught that either failed to blow the vest or were caught prior to the event exhibited no sign of acute mental illness. That's is not true in 100 percent of the cases but look how the 9/11 guys were able to remain under the radar. They were not schizophrenic etc. I know nothing of the of the dude who drove into the mosque people, certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was clinically insane. There is a big difference between an unstable guy thinking he is carrying out a revenge attack if this is what it was and someone who is following directions from the Koran or an organized group. The whole thing is a shame. You English are a violent lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzTrying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Walrus you are literally just making stuff up to suit your own agenda. All these people are motivated by hatred and being mental does not excuse them. The incitement and encouragement of that hatred is present here on the forum. Threads are made compulsively and continuously encouraging that hatred and seeking to make that the mainstream accepted way to carry on, as though that is normal and anyone not agreeing is a freak. Normalising extremism.
I think its likely that more attacks like this will happen , islam simply doesn't mix with western culture .
Its oil and water.
Everyone could see it coming a mile off. Thankfully, it was one nutter in a van who didn't accomplish anything like what he intended. Make no mistake, there are pockets of people just waiting for this to kick off, and they're not driving a van fueled up by cheap lager. They're armed, some a bit mental, some not. Ex soldiers. You know the type.
'Terrorists' commit terrible act, over and over again, nothing happens. We all stand strong together and light a candle and change our facebook pics. One nutter decides he can sort it out with his work van. But we all stand strong together, maybe we should have a ribbon for this? Sooner or later, people get fed up with standing strong together because well......we're not, together or strong. So they start to fight back. And so on and so forth. If I have to look at one more news report of a group of Muslims doing a good deed Im going to smash the TV up. Im not a terrorist or a nutter so you dont have to reaffirm to me that people, on the whole, are alright.
But lets spend our time fannying about making sure we get these cunts labels right. Wouldnt want to hurt their feelings.
Does it really matter that much WHAT label we use on these killers?
I think it is inevitable and will happen again if Muslims don't stop their own assaults on Western society. They run the prisons and you have gangs and rapes in places like Rotherham. Even I look at images of London these days and wonder where the traditional English went. Add bombings and extremism to the mix and suddenly you might start to feel threatened. A cat in a corner will strike. Just glad I am nowhere near the mix. It looks really grim. I remember years ago working around Manchester and you have some well dodgy areas where there are obvious tensions. That was nearly 20 years ago! Even I have no real understanding of just how serious the changes are now. The worst happened while I was gone.
I agree with Memphis and walrus and dark lord Al
Apparently it does because unless you call white people who kill the worst things ever then :dontknow:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I guess something happens and I guess all POC killers are justified in their actions or something....I don't know, you'll have to ask Black Hitler about that
Flip flop away. Whatever ingratiates you the most I suppose. So basically you don't think this guy was a terrorist but the black guy driving another white van in Westminster was? I can't keep up with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Wtf am I making up. I'm just contrasting radical Islamic terrorism to the possibility that this idiot in England that drove into the mosque crowd might be a true nutter not motivated by the desire to die for religious ideals. You guys brought up the mental illness part and I commented on it. Damn beanz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Doesn't mean anything master. You work with mental illness in your profession I assume. I've had doctors on my case loads that had breakdowns in later life and required structured programs to get by.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGuy lived in Wales and married with 3/4 children.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusThe terrorists usually put together a plan a coordinated with a group and have a plan to carry out after the initial event. These suicide bombers they have caught that either failed to blow the vest or were caught prior to the event exhibited no sign of acute mental illness. That's is not true in 100 percent of the cases but look how the 9/11 guys were able to remain under the radar. They were not schizophrenic etc. I know nothing of the of the dude who drove into the mosque people, certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was clinically insane. There is a big difference between an unstable guy thinking he is carrying out a revenge attack if this is what it was and someone who is following directions from the Koran or an organized group. The whole thing is a shame. You English are a violent lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzTrying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I know but seemed to have a normal everyday family life.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDoesn't mean anything master. You work with mental illness in your profession I assume. I've had doctors on my case loads that had breakdowns in later life and required structured programs to get by.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGuy lived in Wales and married with 3/4 children.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusThe terrorists usually put together a plan a coordinated with a group and have a plan to carry out after the initial event. These suicide bombers they have caught that either failed to blow the vest or were caught prior to the event exhibited no sign of acute mental illness. That's is not true in 100 percent of the cases but look how the 9/11 guys were able to remain under the radar. They were not schizophrenic etc. I know nothing of the of the dude who drove into the mosque people, certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was clinically insane. There is a big difference between an unstable guy thinking he is carrying out a revenge attack if this is what it was and someone who is following directions from the Koran or an organized group. The whole thing is a shame. You English are a violent lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzTrying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
As did Charles Whitman (the Texas Tower Shooter) but there were a number of stressors in his life right before he decided to grab a rifle and start picking off college kids AND upon autopsy a pecan sized brain tumor was removed which may have (emphasis on the MAY) kept him from being his normal self.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
None of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf