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Kovalev didn't even earn enough from the Ward fight to cover his training expenses
I would have put maybe in the title but it wouldn't fit.
There were 6366 paying customers watching it which led to a total gate of $2.2 million. Let's say the casino let the promotion keep every penny of that. Unlikely but let's say they did.
It did 130 000 PPV sales at $65. That's $8.45 million. But the cable providers take 55% of that leaving HBO with $3.8 million to split between themselves and the promotion. HBO spent money on promoting the fight including one of those 24/7 things and they've got the whole production to produce. And they've probably got a few quid guarantee built into any deal, they get the first so many dollars of the remaining money after production costs are covered. Let's be incredibly generous and say that leaves three million for the promotion, probably less.
So far that's $5.2 million. Then there's international TV sales. I'd be amazed if this broke a million. Probably less than six million for the entire promotion in profit. Ward's promoter is going to have to pay a big chunk of his guaranteed six point five million out of his own pocket. Not a good night for RN. I suppose it depends on the split in the contract as to how the six or so million is divvied up. If Ward is guaranteed the first six point five of the entire promotion then it means Kovalev and both sets of promoters worked for free. If the promoters had a deal to split the funds before anybody else got paid maybe Main Events and Kovalev got three million to split. If Ward was guaranteed the money and Main Events were desperate to make the rematch, and they were, you've got to think that Ward's promoter would have made sure Ward's guarantee was covered before Main Events saw any money though.
This is not really worth starting a thread over. I was going to dump this in the Ward Kovalev thread but it's gone off at a tangent and probably not many people are now reading it. Anybody got any more information on how this promotion went?
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Re: Kovalev didn't even earn enough from the Ward fight to cover his training expense
If this is true Kathy Duva needs shooting.
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Master
If this is true Kathy Duva needs shooting.
Don't forget Klimas when you line them up.
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Kirkland Laing
This is not really worth starting a thread over. I was going to dump this in the Ward Kovalev thread but it's gone off at a tangent and probably not many people are now reading it.
If anyone hasn't read it for a while then go and take a look at the last 3 or 4 pages, most entertaining thread on here at the minute.
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Kirkland Laing
This is not really worth starting a thread over. I was going to dump this in the Ward Kovalev thread but it's gone off at a tangent and probably not many people are now reading it.
If anyone hasn't read it for a while then go and take a look at the last 3 or 4 pages, most entertaining thread on here at the minute.
It's a bunch of people trying to explain simple concepts to a blithering idiot. I get enough of that already with Lyle.
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Re: Kovalev didn't even earn enough from the Ward fight to cover his training expense
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if he's been shafted as much as they say he has, he's gotta take most the blame. Yes, Promoters do this, Managers do that , but ultimately , he's a fucking grown up man being. nobody holds a gun to his head to sign the contract.
you'll get plums like @Master get all indignant about it , saying it's wrong that the fighter got shafted, then he'll spout off about Mayweather. so he's not happy when a fighter earns shit money and he's not happy when a fighter earns good money!
he shouldn't have been so fucking stupid basically.
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Primo Carnera
if he's been shafted as much as they say he has, he's gotta take most the blame. Yes, Promoters do this, Managers do that , but ultimately , he's a fucking grown up man being. nobody holds a gun to his head to sign the contract.
you'll get plums like @
Master get all indignant about it , saying it's wrong that the fighter got shafted, then he'll spout off about Mayweather. so he's not happy when a fighter earns shit money and he's not happy when a fighter earns good money!
he shouldn't have been so fucking stupid basically.
Very kind hearted you, you would make Eddie, Arum and Warren really proud.
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Re: Kovalev didn't even earn enough from the Ward fight to cover his training expense
Kovalev was good. But he clearly was beating up average fighters in a division void of talent. If they were really serious in the LH division, Stevenson should have faced Kovalev a long time ago.
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ykdadamaja
Kovalev was good. But he clearly was beating up average fighters in a division void of talent. If they were really serious in the LH division, Stevenson should have faced Kovalev a long time ago.
don't be daft, kov was/is an excellent fighter and would beat most LHs over history
he lost to an American considered lb4lb the best in the world in America with 3 American judges and an American ref and when America is a little bit void of talent at the minute
many people felt he won the first
and many people felt he was winning the second
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ykdadamaja
Kovalev was good. But he clearly was beating up average fighters in a division void of talent. If they were really serious in the LH division, Stevenson should have faced Kovalev a long time ago.
don't be daft, kov was/is an excellent fighter and would beat most LHs over history
he lost to an American considered lb4lb the best in the world in America with 3 American judges and an American ref and when America is a little bit void of talent at the minute
many people felt he won the first
and many people felt he was winning the second
As said: Kov beat up some pretty good, decent fighters during his reign in a division VOID of true talent. When the division cheers guys like Nathan Cleverly and Tony Bellew as top talent, you know the division is clearly not top-tier.
Kov faced an ELITE FIGHTER in that of Andre Ward and we saw what happened. He peaked the second fight. He was losing the second fight, handily before the nut chops.
Kov is a good fighter. Kov is a great fighter. But not in the top ten p4p not now, not then and probably will never be. He is just a good, strong guy with good talent.
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Master
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Primo Carnera
if he's been shafted as much as they say he has, he's gotta take most the blame. Yes, Promoters do this, Managers do that , but ultimately , he's a fucking grown up man being. nobody holds a gun to his head to sign the contract.
you'll get plums like @
Master get all indignant about it , saying it's wrong that the fighter got shafted, then he'll spout off about Mayweather. so he's not happy when a fighter earns shit money and he's not happy when a fighter earns good money!
he shouldn't have been so fucking stupid basically.
Very kind hearted you, you would make Eddie, Arum and Warren really proud.
Just being honest......... and trying not to live in Utopia like some people I know! 😉
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@ykdadamaja
if the ward kov fight would have been in Russia with a Russian ref and 3 Russian judges who do you think would have won?
and how would you view kov then?
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This is silly.
No one can dispute that Kovalev is not a great fighter...it's just that Ward is better.
Ward would beat Kovalev in a 3rd or 4th fight...Ward broke Kovalev down to a point where he is now considering moving up in weight and being trained by Virgil hunter..that's a pure sign of internal loss.
Ward is the best and that's all there is to it..he chased Kovalev into his division.
Imagine if GGG chased Ward like this?
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imp
This is silly.
No one can dispute that Kovalev is not a great fighter...it's just that Ward is better.
Ward would beat Kovalev in a 3rd or 4th fight...Ward broke Kovalev down to a point where he is now considering moving up in weight and being trained by Virgil hunter..that's a pure sign of internal loss.
Ward is the best and that's all there is to it..he chased Kovalev into his division.
Imagine if GGG chased Ward like this?
If GGG did he would be worshipped.
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imp
This is silly.
No one can dispute that Kovalev is not a great fighter...it's just that Ward is better.
Ward would beat Kovalev in a 3rd or 4th fight...Ward broke Kovalev down to a point where he is now considering moving up in weight and being trained by Virgil hunter..that's a pure sign of internal loss.
Ward is the best and that's all there is to it..he chased Kovalev into his division.
Imagine if GGG chased Ward like this?
If GGG did he would be worshipped.
Kovalev is substantially bigger than GGG and Golovkin is far more likeable than Ward. Says a lot when English is Wards first language.
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Beanz
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Ron Swanson
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imp
This is silly.
No one can dispute that Kovalev is not a great fighter...it's just that Ward is better.
Ward would beat Kovalev in a 3rd or 4th fight...Ward broke Kovalev down to a point where he is now considering moving up in weight and being trained by Virgil hunter..that's a pure sign of internal loss.
Ward is the best and that's all there is to it..he chased Kovalev into his division.
Imagine if GGG chased Ward like this?
If GGG did he would be worshipped.
Kovalev is substantially bigger than GGG and Golovkin is far more likeable than Ward. Says a lot when English is Wards first language.
For sure. I don't even like Ward. I'm sure that's surprising considering how much I defend him. And I do like GGG, probably also surprising considering how often I question him.
I just like to see people challenge greatness. Even if they fail. For example Froch, I didn't like Froch then he fought top guy after top guy and he won me over. Win some, lose some, whatever. But challenge yourself.
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Beanz
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Ron Swanson
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imp
This is silly.
No one can dispute that Kovalev is not a great fighter...it's just that Ward is better.
Ward would beat Kovalev in a 3rd or 4th fight...Ward broke Kovalev down to a point where he is now considering moving up in weight and being trained by Virgil hunter..that's a pure sign of internal loss.
Ward is the best and that's all there is to it..he chased Kovalev into his division.
Imagine if GGG chased Ward like this?
If GGG did he would be worshipped.
Kovalev is substantially bigger than GGG and Golovkin is far more likeable than Ward. Says a lot when English is Wards first language.
I think he point is that Ward moved up a weight class to fight Kovalev who was considered one of the best fighters in the world. And even after that, some people are still trying to discredit him.
If GGG moved up a weight class to challenge Ward (at super middle), and beat Ward, people would be saying he is one of the best middleweight fighters in history. The point was that there was a double standard because GGG is more like able.
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ykdadamaja
Kovalev was good. But he clearly was beating up average fighters in a division void of talent. If they were really serious in the LH division, Stevenson should have faced Kovalev a long time ago.
Ah yes.... the Kov-Stevenson topic. ;D
Now that Kovalev's been beaten twice, I'm sure Stevenson's nerve must have increased at least a little bit, don't you think?
Hopefully, Stevenson will believe Kovalev is ripe for the picking and agree to face him.
That would still be a hell of a fight, and I can only imagine that Kov would be chomping at the bit to take his frustrations out on someone else. ;D
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ykdadamaja
Kovalev was good. But he clearly was beating up average fighters in a division void of talent. If they were really serious in the LH division, Stevenson should have faced Kovalev a long time ago.
Ah yes.... the Kov-Stevenson topic. ;D
Now that Kovalev's been beaten twice, I'm sure Stevenson's nerve must have increased at least a little bit, don't you think?
Hopefully, Stevenson will believe Kovalev is ripe for the picking and agree to face him.
That would still be a hell of a fight, and I can only imagine that Kov would be chomping at the bit to take his frustrations out on someone else. ;D
I am sure the logic that Adonis would use is that Kov has last twice in a row so why would he fight him.
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Master
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TitoFan
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ykdadamaja
Kovalev was good. But he clearly was beating up average fighters in a division void of talent. If they were really serious in the LH division, Stevenson should have faced Kovalev a long time ago.
Ah yes.... the Kov-Stevenson topic. ;D
Now that Kovalev's been beaten twice, I'm sure Stevenson's nerve must have increased at least a little bit, don't you think?
Hopefully, Stevenson will believe Kovalev is ripe for the picking and agree to face him.
That would still be a hell of a fight, and I can only imagine that Kov would be chomping at the bit to take his frustrations out on someone else. ;D
I am sure the logic that Adonis would use is that Kov has last twice in a row so why would he fight him.
Yeh, you're right. Adonis now has an out....... the coward.
