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That was the worst fight I have ever seen him in. He threw little to no punches. He had no zeal. He either threw this fight, woefully unprepared or just at the end of his career.
We need not see Adrien Broner anymore as an A-Side fighter, or the headliner. He is now the guy who you beat on the way to better.
Adios, Adrien!
There's a glaring omission in your thinking. Try considrering Garcia is much better than him. Weight, size, strength, speed, power - all irrelevant if your opponent is much more skilled, a natural, born throwing punches.
How good was Broner really? Before the 'W' against Ponce DeLeon I always felt he lost to a guy named Quintero.
broner was never really an elite fighter to start with... he is good and has some talent but he just never got himself to that elite level, he lost badly to maidana and porter, that's not elite, he made his reputation beating guys like gavin rees, good boxers but clearly below elite level.. Broner was a bit of a fraud to start with and got away with it by doing a poor mans(ha ha cause it;s all about money :S) mayweather impersonation..(mayweather is also crap at trash talk btw, and broner is worse than floyd)
The problem for Floyd is it's scripted and he can't read :-X jkQuote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
Broner missed his flight to that town. His claim will be 4 time champ in a day when we give out trophies for hot dog eating contests. Style over substance
The Broner hype went ballistic when he left Litzau lifeless (pretty sure it was a big fight undercard?). Nothing draws the crowds in quicker than a sicko highlight reel sparko that can be replayed over and over again
Garcia was just too skilled for him. It was always about Broner getting lucky with being bigger and landing something or Garcia just outworking him. It was predictable. Broner is an ESPN kind of fighter at this stage. A test for anyone wanting a shot in the top 10 and about it.
I just watched a UFC title fight. 25 minutes, less than 50 strikes landed by both fighters combined. That's with no time on the mat. One round they landed 5 strikes COMBINED. Just dreadful
Broner has always had major flaws. He seemed to rely solely on talent and not skill. He never seemed completely dedicated. I think that if Broner had dedicated himself to the sport, then he would have been an elite fighter.
Broner had a good run at lightweight, but not so much at welter. I told everyone that Garcia was way too skilled for Broner and that he would easily win.
Pretty sure that everyone agreed with you as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Litzau was a good looking stoppage, I've just took a look and he was 21 at the time, the fight was on the Canello v Rhodes undercard
I have to be honest here, I thought Broner was going to give Garcia a really tough fight, and had a great chance to pull off the upset. Not that Garcia is great, just that Adrian is a talented guy, bigger, and put the training in fir this one. I also expected Broner's Achilles heel to be his style vs physical, stronger guys like Maidana and Porter (where Mikey is a technician in the ring).
Mikey is such a brilliant technician in there, and I honestly feel like Broner beats a lot of other fighters in that fight. I don't see this being the end for Broner, UNLESS the mental impact of coming in at his best and being completely dominated ruins his confidence. The guy is tough, physically and mentally, and is too talented to not be at the elite level.
Never rated him as one of the elite or thought that he might join the elite.
Won't be missed
Broner did well for himself by talking himself into good fights and made more money than he normally would have IF he wasn't so slick on his mouth and mirrored Floyd. I think Broner will be happy with his career at the end of the day, and he is a testament to guys with above average skill levels adding CLEVER marketing to his routine. That clever marketing gave him the extra $250,000 on his pay-stub for every fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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But let's be honest here: Garcia did not burn the house down on Broner. It was a shitty fight. Garcia did enough to win the rounds only because Broner looked half-dead in the ring. Broner landed 25 punches in one round? Half of them jabs? Really? In that division? I know heavyweights that land triple than in a round. Come on.... The fight either was a sham, Broner got paid to bottle it or he had some medical issue that prevented him from throwing punches. Garcia's punches were not rocking Broner at all, and Broner blocked nearly 60% of those power punches.... Something was foul in this fight.
I think broners lack of output was due to Garcia. Garcia cutoff the ring and didn't back up. He controlled the majority of the fight. Broner took some big shots I think that is part and parcel his inability to get punches off. Nothing fishy, broner probably trained halfhearted and got beatQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I can believe that to be totally honest with you. It's not as if he was not arrested a few weeks before this fight and had criminal matters on his mind. But Broner did nothing in this fight, and even a good fighter with some power like Broner, when the ring is being cut off against a guy that cannot really hurt you, you learn by the 4th or 5th round to walk through it; man up and mix it up!Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI think broners lack of output was due to Garcia. Garcia cutoff the ring and didn't back up. He controlled the majority of the fight. Broner took some big shots I think that is part and parcel his inability to get punches off. Nothing fishy, broner probably trained halfhearted and got beatQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Broner's mind was elsewhere. He did not make it a fight even though he clearly was losing, and did lose, the boxing match.
I don't want people to use this as a promotional tool for Garcia and saying that this is his signature fight to say he has arrived to the "Welters".... I think Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence, or even a Kell Brook or Amir Khan starches him.
It's not the first time we have seen mikey fight a talented fight. I'm not crowning him goat just looking at this fight. Broner was being hurt that is why he didn't walk through bronerQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI can believe that to be totally honest with you. It's not as if he was not arrested a few weeks before this fight and had criminal matters on his mind. But Broner did nothing in this fight, and even a good fighter with some power like Broner, when the ring is being cut off against a guy that cannot really hurt you, you learn by the 4th or 5th round to walk through it; man up and mix it up!Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI think broners lack of output was due to Garcia. Garcia cutoff the ring and didn't back up. He controlled the majority of the fight. Broner took some big shots I think that is part and parcel his inability to get punches off. Nothing fishy, broner probably trained halfhearted and got beatQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Broner's mind was elsewhere. He did not make it a fight even though he clearly was losing, and did lose, the boxing match.
I don't want people to use this as a promotional tool for Garcia and saying that this is his signature fight to say he has arrived to the "Welters".... I think Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence, or even a Kell Brook or Amir Khan starches him.
As much as I disliked the kid before I'm going to say he still has enough in the tank to win a title. He can be a Zab Judah type, but he has to learn to grow up at a certain point as zab did put the nonsense away and fight for something bigger than himself.
I'll go out on a limb and say Broner still has reflexes, can take a decent shot, and is slick and fast enough to make something happen but he needs direction. Last night his corner was a clusterf*ck with all the voices going around. Stafford, Cunningham, the voices in broner's head... Its what happens in a lot of corners. When a fighter is doing well, no ones says anything... when the fighter gets knocked down, he comes back and has 5 people yelling and trying to talk over each other. Stafford had to take control of that, get rid of Cunningham and be the sole voice and get his fighter focused way before fight night.
Garcia is skilled, but last night was more game plan than anything else. When Roberto Garcia Coached maidana to beat broner he created a blueprint. The cat was out of the bag. If you smother Broners offense and take away his room to punch, he panics and the first thing does is attempt to shell up but hes no clottey or wright. So he bolts and you catch him on the way out. Maidana did it with power, Porter did it with activity and bulk. Last night, they pretty much perfected it, when Garcia did it behind the jab and didn't have to expose as much of himself to get on top of broner. Broner needs to trust in his skills, stop being lazy and use his feet. He has 2 gears right now, shuffle at punch or shell up and run because his stance is too wide. He wants to fight half in and half out... close enough to advance and get a highlight reel knockout, but with one foot out the door to lean back away from punches and get a head start in running for his life. He had options to pivot and spin garcia or tied him up but probably didn't have the energy.
Was broner drained a little? probably. He looked a little dry. The fact that he could come in under under 140, means his body is still responding and he had at least enough dedication in the gym to get out in front the weight issue (but a nutritionist or even a good trainer wouldn't let him come in that much under. He can still be a good reclamation project for the right kind of team. But you have to get him away from the bullsh*t even before camp starts. Were talking Catskills/ Cus D'amato isolation.
Why the fuck was something foul?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Why was it a sham?
What makes you think Broner got paid to bottle it?
What makes you think he had a medical condition?
The dude was soundly beat and hardly put up a fight, that is an outcome that plenty of people predicted before the fight even started.
This whole fucking screaming of FIX and SCAM and FRAUD and whatever the fuck else you wanna shout about on a weekly basis is what hurts boxing.
Not every close decision is a robbery and not every poor performance is a fucking sham.
He got beat no need to throw mad accusations like that around.
When the fuck was I screaming fix or foul or any type of thing of that nature recently aside from this? The fight was a shitty fight. I would give it two stars, and it did not show Garcia at his best but moreso at his average and Broner at his mediocre level.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanWhy the fuck was something foul?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Why was it a sham?
What makes you think Broner got paid to bottle it?
What makes you think he had a medical condition?
The dude was soundly beat and hardly put up a fight, that is an outcome that plenty of people predicted before the fight even started.
This whole fucking screaming of FIX and SCAM and FRAUD and whatever the fuck else you wanna shout about on a weekly basis is what hurts boxing.
Not every close decision is a robbery and not every poor performance is a fucking sham.
He got beat no need to throw mad accusations like that around.
When Broner mixed it up with him, he hurt Garcia and I was thinking perhaps Broner wanted to take a stoppage route. Clearly Broner was not himself and it has more to do with him than it did with Garcia.
When you see, at the top level, a shitty performance like that, you have to ask questions why instead of "he got beat". That is obvious, duh. But why and what were the factors- that is why we discuss the matter.
Broner looked in good shape. He came in fit. He was moving good throughout the fight. He could have bullied Garcia, and he had ample opportunities to do so, but he bottled it.... He just bottled it.
Something to me was foul. My-Fucking-Opinion!
Garcia is just a lot better than most people are giving him credit for. He is one of the best fighters in the world. I've seen this same thing so many times. It's like when Floyd made good fighters look awful. They couldn't land and would get countered so they wouldn't throw punches.
That's exactly what Garcia did to Broner. He smothered his punches and would counter when Broner tried to get off first. It's not as if we haven't watched Broner many times before and seen this weakness. Even feather fisted Paulie made him stop throwing by smothering him.
Broner looked to be in good shape in this fight. Much better than previous ones. He was just beat by a much better fighter. I'm sure Broner trained well and had a good gameplan. Garcia should get all the credit for fighting a near flawless fight. We shouldn't be talking about how bad Broner looked unless we understand that he looked bad because Garcia made him look bad.
I just don't think Garcia looked all that good or had the tools to neutralize Broner the way it appeared. It was not an impressive, controlling fight for me. With Floyd, you can see CLEARLY how Floyd dominates and hits and not get hit. A Chris Byrd is another example of how great technicians can make very good fighters look shitty. But this was not the case last night to me, and something just does not sit well.... jmo...Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Al Bernstein said it best last night: "Garcia did nothing in excess, but he knew a slight uptick in volume would help.".... In a nutshell: Al saw it was a shitty fight, Al saw Broner lethargic and incapable of fighting back. It was more of how shitty Broner was and not how great Garcia was.
We have to ask: Why?
These are two fight highlight reels of last night. The first one does not look like Broner being dominated, and the second one gave more to Garcia and it still did not look like a dominant performance. Broner is done to me, and it is not because he is a terrible person or cannot be a better fighter, but clearly he has some issues that prevent him from being the best of the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6BUU2HXECk
The blueprint to beat broner is too smother him.
He should call out terrace crawford and keep milking those paydays until everyone has had enough.
That Maidana loss broke him mentally.
yeah this fight shows that Broner is not as good as people thought or Garcia is a lot better depending how you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
my take is that Garcia is a very good fighter and Broner just wasn't in his league. No shame in that but he wasn't exactly gracious in defeat and can't use the weight excuse. I saw him claim Garcia ran which shows an element of delusion because Broner was the one in survival mode. It's the most damaging of all his losses because he was fighting a smaller guy who fought like the bigger guy, he was gunshy & Broner seemed to accept defeat early in the fight
For mikey, his performance for a 3rd time in a row was pretty flawless. Made no errors, looked clam, powerful and focused. It's gonna take someone special to stop him. He's certainly up there p4p. Linares is mouth watering fight as is Lomachenko. Crawford is probably his biggest threat out there or spence if he moved to 147. Great fights out there for him. Broner is still talented but I see his career going the same way as zab Judahs
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Originally Posted by palmerq
Precisely. Nothing more need be said.
Broner will never be PPV ever UNLESS he is fodder for Canelo or Manny.... But I think Garcia, if he can keep it going, will make an interesting fight for someone.
I wonder how long will it take before GG, Crawford or Lomachenko gets into the PPV league status? Legit PPV?
I don't think any of them will, the media machine tends to start rolling on PPV fighters before they are out of nappies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Them three fighters are all 30+ aren't they?
Not that that is especially old but sky and the likes of tend to generate mass exposure in their early 20's to maximise their potential PPV'S.
Look at AJ and Ginger Pubes, and to a failed extent Broner.
AJ is by far the only one worthy of PPV. Wilder COULD have been PPV, but he chooses to fight above average guys rather than take risks. Aside from Stiverne, everyone who Wilder faced would have been killed by AJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI don't think any of them will, the media machine tends to start rolling on PPV fighters before they are out of nappies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Them three fighters are all 30+ aren't they?
Not that that is especially old but sky and the likes of tend to generate mass exposure in their early 20's to maximise their potential PPV'S.
Look at AJ and Ginger Pubes, and to a failed extend Broner.
completely agree but it is what it is, I mean other than Klit who has AJ fought to make him PPV?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaAJ is by far the only one worthy of PPV. Wilder COULD have been PPV, but he chooses to fight above average guys rather than take risks. Aside from Stiverne, everyone who Wilder faced would have been killed by AJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI don't think any of them will, the media machine tends to start rolling on PPV fighters before they are out of nappies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Them three fighters are all 30+ aren't they?
Not that that is especially old but sky and the likes of tend to generate mass exposure in their early 20's to maximise their potential PPV'S.
Look at AJ and Ginger Pubes, and to a failed extend Broner.
Ginger Pubes was primed for it ever since his first fight on a Mayweather undercard, same with AB, it just went wrong for him but that is what they were planning no doubt about it.
True. But AB has no one to blame but himself. He let money and showing off money he does not have get into the way of greatness. Floyd never forgot what Greatness was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmancompletely agree but it is what it is, I mean other than Klit who has AJ fought to make him PPV?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaAJ is by far the only one worthy of PPV. Wilder COULD have been PPV, but he chooses to fight above average guys rather than take risks. Aside from Stiverne, everyone who Wilder faced would have been killed by AJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI don't think any of them will, the media machine tends to start rolling on PPV fighters before they are out of nappies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Them three fighters are all 30+ aren't they?
Not that that is especially old but sky and the likes of tend to generate mass exposure in their early 20's to maximise their potential PPV'S.
Look at AJ and Ginger Pubes, and to a failed extend Broner.
Ginger Pubes was primed for it ever since his first fight on a Mayweather undercard, same with AB, it just went wrong for him but that is what they were planning no doubt about it.
How much are broners betwixt fights and training antics effecting his ability to perform in the ring? Any type of substance abuse alters brain chemistry. Does he have it in him to stop the craziness? He got the dui, he was acting suicidal, brandishing a firearm the dude ain't thinking clearly. There are some in sports who perform at the top level even with a habit but most don't. If broner were to completely turn things around maybe he could regain his old glory. I wouldn't bet on it but I do wonder how if he could make a clean comeback.
He is unstable. The large ego he has may be a mental illness. He does stuff for attention. He is just not doing it positively by training to be a great fighter. Skills he does have, but his mind will not let him escape his assholery. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Definitely and it's a shame. As much of an ass he is he has skill and a can take a shot. He's one of those love to hate boxers and could be a hell of a draw if he weren't stinkin up the placeQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHe is unstable. The large ego he has may be a mental illness. He does stuff for attention. He is just not doing it positively by training to be a great fighter. Skills he does have, but his mind will not let him escape his assholery. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
He needs to grow up already. It may already be too late. He needs to drop all the yes men, get a new corner and trainer. Too many voices in that corner between rounds and no one actually giving him solid advise to change the game plan.
I think he likes those yes men to feed his fragile ego. Broner is one of these guys who knows it all and isn't going to change. He's as good as he's gonna be, which is pretty good, but not the best in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I remember one fight he was yelling at his corner, idiot