Or is it the era where guys 6 ft 5 and over just are too big, too skilled, too powerful and too quick?
I liked the smaller HWs- Tyson, Holyfield, Dokes, Weaver... etc.... even though Dokes was listed at 6 ft 3, he looked more like a good 6 ft 1.
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Or is it the era where guys 6 ft 5 and over just are too big, too skilled, too powerful and too quick?
I liked the smaller HWs- Tyson, Holyfield, Dokes, Weaver... etc.... even though Dokes was listed at 6 ft 3, he looked more like a good 6 ft 1.
I think so
If there is to be then he will need to have power, speed, durable and a solid defence to beat these giants today.
Probably one to pick up a belt at some point but being the true champ is less likely.
Bigger people are becoming more coordinated in all aspects of life. If there happens to be a lull with no big, fit, coordinated people there's a window. But some 6'5+ guy will come along again and simply be too big.
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Mike Tyson was the last of the short HW terrors.
I think Ron Said it right.. Based on the numbers, its not likely.
There are just big guys trying to capitalize in all sports across the board. There are some places where you probably wont find them... like as a jockey, moto gp and other places where their size is a detriment. But just because they're are big and athletic, doesn't mean they have the spirit, mental toughness (*cough* Mccall*cough*) or spirit to conquer the world... Ask michael grant. That being said all it takes is the right punch at the right time to be the champ. Just have to find a guy that knows how to maximizes his chances.
I wrote this thinking about Povetkin in particular. I just don't think he can do it. I really don't think he can do it. Sure, he nearly decapitated Duhappas and mugged Wach, but can he really reach a good big guy?
povetkin is 6 foot 2. so he is a bit bigger than 6 feet or under, but anyway he could certainly beat parker and would be in with a very good chance of beating wilder. I wouldn't give him 0 chance of beating joshua either but povetkin is pretty open to a jab and getting hit straight down the middle(isnt great at moving his head), so I would think joshua would land something big and blow him up at some time. You make a good point though as povetkin is a talented fellow who has had a good career, 2 time euro amateur chamapion, world amateur champ and olympic gold he held the fake wba title too for a while but his biggest(haha) problem would be the height of his opposition, you could also out that down to his fighting style too though. Povetkin could easily win a world title, maybe two but I doubt he would be undiputed champ.. it is possible for someone povetkins height to be undisputed champ though, certainly not easy but being smaller and around 220 lbs has some advantages at heavyweight in my opinion(it is very difficult to fuel 250 lbs of muscle for 12 rounds ), I also thing really good big guys are pretty rare, for every joshua, wlad/vitali you get a load of dimentrenkos, wachs and valuevs :SQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
but all of that is not what is holding povetkin back, he does have a bad habit of failing drug tests :S(although I think the first one might have been very hars)
I know, but Povetkin still looks like a small 6 ft 2 too. Sorta like Dokes who looked closer to the 6ft mark than he did the 6 ft 3 mark. Guys who are not giants, by any stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqpovetkin is 6 foot 2. so he is a bit bigger than 6 feet or under, but anyway he could certainly beat parker and would be in with a very good chance of beating wilder. I wouldn't give him 0 chance of beating joshua either but povetkin is pretty open to a jab and getting hit straight down the middle(isnt great at moving his head), so I would think joshua would land something big and blow him up at some time. You make a good point though as povetkin is a talented fellow who has had a good career, 2 time euro amateur chamapion, world amateur champ and olympic gold he held the fake wba title too for a while but his biggest(haha) problem would be the height of his opposition, you could also out that down to his fighting style too though. Povetkin could easily win a world title, maybe two but I doubt he would be undiputed champ.. it is possible for someone povetkins height to be undisputed champ though, certainly not easy but being smaller and around 220 lbs has some advantages at heavyweight in my opinion(it is very difficult to fuel 250 lbs of muscle for 12 rounds ), I also thing really good big guys are pretty rare, for every joshua, wlad/vitali you get a load of dimentrenkos, wachs and valuevs :SQuote:
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but all of that is not what is holding povetkin back, he does have a bad habit of failing drug tests :S(although I think the first one might have been very hars)
I believe there will be another shorter heavyweight champion of the world again. I think a few things will happen...Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
#1 taller more athletic fighters will start to trend to MMA because the UFC won't be able to keep the wages of their fighters depressed and boxing is going to ebb even more.
#2 not every single tall fighter has the skill and hand eye coordionation of Lennox, Wlad, Vitali, or AJ and eventually a shorter quicker puncher will emerge on top.
Sitting here racking my brain and it's hard to imagine. Not that shorter types cannot 'compete' it's just that most heavies today are just bigger, taller and a dime a dozen. Though as Lyle ^ mentioned, certainly not better. It's just sheer numbers of 6'2 to 6'7 guys walking out of every small town and random Countries all over the globe. I remember in the later 90's of course top heavyweights were more centered in the U.S so there were a few pundits trying to push a 'super heavyweight' division ironically when we started seeing guys like Michael Grant, Gonzalez, McCline, Vitali and Wlad came around. The cream rose to the top there on skills not pure size. Should we see another 5'11 or less fighter with the speed and ferocity of a Tyson no doubt we'll see another champion but until then it's hard enough just to think of one who has made any kind of run at it at all. Sherman Williams ???. There was a Russian built like a brick shat house who lost to Jennings last year who came back and went on a decent run but disappeared. May take another guy moving up from cruiserweight but the height remains mostly.
What about a slickster like Chris Byrd in his prime?
There is more chance of having an under 6ft heavyweight champion than seeing under 15 stone champion ever again.
Well, due to evolution, I happen to think that seeing a guy at 6ft being 210 lbs and over is normal and healthy. Which raises another question: Should the weight limits be adjusted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Good call, or even RJJ even though he won a trinket title at heavyweight. I believe there is more likelihood of a fighter of that ilk accomplishing great feats in the division than us seeing another Tyson. Let's be real, Mike Tyson was a freak of nature physically and devastating in that ring...he was like a bulldog. I think there's a better chance somebody will have the athletic ability and mental tenacity to hone a winning skill set rather than just be born into a body that fits a style which matches up with a trainer who was waiting for that specific fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I think the odds are we'll see a Floyd Mayweather Jr type of heavyweight before we see another Tyson type of heavyweight....the focus of the smaller heavyweight will HAVE to be defense first (yes yes I know, everyone will say "Boring fighter is boring" but the key to boxing as much as knocking out the other guy is not getting hit in return and people need to fucking accept that is the KEY part of the sport).
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If heavyweights only ever got taller and taller and bigger and heavier then why so many smaller fighters after 'The Pottawatomie Giant' Jess Willard? Why was Buddy Baer never able to become the champ? Why were so many smaller fighters so much better? Dempsey, Charles, Walcott, La Starza, Joe Frazier, Floyd Patterson, Mike Tyson, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I do think that smaller heavyweights will really make a comeback once guys who are a little taller 6'1-6'3 learn how to properly fight small and give off a smaller target the taller fighters have to reach for and then make them pay on the counter, or keep those tall guys on the back foot and punish them high and low and just never let them get a punch off that has any leverage to it.
You boys wanna be careful with what you are saying,if the wrong person reads this we could soon be looking at a 6ft champion of the super cruiserweight division