Beast of a fighter and still very much up there as a top tier fighter..so what's all this about?
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Beast of a fighter and still very much up there as a top tier fighter..so what's all this about?
http://www.boxingscene.com/sergey-ko...rement--119855
Too much vodka and getting ripped off by his team, no more desire and hunger.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Kov has not been the best managed fighter. I believe he got the short end of all his big fights.
Kov v Badou Jack would be a good fight to make.
He has been really badly managed. He has probably lost his confidence and seemingly doesn't have very good stamina. He started strong both times against Ward but then struggled and it isn't as though Ward even throws many punches. Saw a bit of Mayweather/McGregor on You Tube and it seemed a bit like Ward/Kov 2.
Should fight a durable journeyman or 2 just to learn to pace himself. Kovalev was so used to stopping fighters he didn't learn to pace himself over 12. Then step up and fight a top 10 guy and then maybe go for a title.
He is going through the Pavlik 'I don't know what to do' phase. He can put it right or his career ends.
Very unfortunate if he doesn't fight again. He is still a very good fighter and has some good fights to be made. I agree though that he has been horribly managed.
He's sick of boxing right now. The judges, the decisions, people telling him what to do... and no corner to go to now to keep him stable... so his family is the only thing thats keep him grounded at this point. If he connects with God and God tells hims to stop being such a stubborn mofo and take some responsibility for the way his career has been going lately... then that's great. If god says this isn't for you anymore and he goes into something else he can find a passion for, well i'll be equally happy for him.
But the answers he's seeking from above come from inside. Lots of fighters go through this. Life knocks your d*ck in the dirt. You comb over everything and think why me. you get disheartened.. start to doubt your efforts; your intent... then you show up ringside and there's a little spark somewhere in the darkness of your soul that either gets you off your @$$ slowly and back in the gym or a sigh that has you thinking "i dont miss this at all'... As dangerous as the sport can be, its the second one you don't want.
I'm all for the individual decision and he is responsible once the bell rings but you have to say, the person he took financial or even interpreted a contract like his last shouldn't be allowed to manage a hot-dog cart let alone a professional athlete. I don't doubt he has the talent and core that can be refired but he'll come back angry and trusting fewer if he doesn't first get away from the sport by the sound of it. He needs independence.
How has he been badly managed?
I know the last fight he had a horrible deal/situation (public trainer/manager spats) but what happend before that?
itd be a shame if he did retire
it was a mistake fighting ward, not because he lost but because he was not only fighting ward he was fighting Americas lb4lb dream
in america
3-4 years ago he was fighting for $5000 dollars a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
We heard about the "bad deal" he had for his last fight because it was so high profile.
If he was getting shit pay then and shit pay in his last fight in relative terms, then it stands to reason he was getting shit pay in between.
He's probably a bit naive in business terms, understandable for a guy earning in a strange country and he's a boxer , not a business guru.
It's a shame ,
Kov has had the short end of the big fights against BHop and first Ward fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think they might have done better in the first ward negotiations. For the Hopkins fight, lets be honest.. who would have got him a good deal fighting a legend who was his own promoter? It was going to be a break even fight for him so Hopkins would qualify him on the international stage. The moneys divided before hand. It looks so much worse in hindsight because he performed so well in that fight. Really he would always get the short en of the stick because he's foreign and many American fans (especially the casuals) discriminate.
For the second ward fight, there was no other way to get Ward into the ring... If Kovalev says he wanted the rematch and his belts, etc. im pretty sure it was explained to him that it was going to cost him everything, and he didn't care. If you say get me a certain fight, then its the promoter and managers job to get you that fight within the stipulations you set forth. A fighter does not have to sacrifice and sign... he can walk away from the table and fight someone else. (look at the softies some fighters continuously take... stevenson, D garcia, etc) More likely scenario is this could have just been more of Kovalev trying to do it all himself and control everything.
It takes a very narrow view to suggest America is biased against foreign fighters. Because if you have any periphery at all you will see foreign fighters treated quite well in America. I'd make a list but it would be so long it would be absurd.
Yeah think of how poorly we have treated foreign fighters they all try to avoid America cause we are so bad and they can't make money hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
If both Ward fights went exactly as they did but in Russia instead of America Kovalev would be undefeated and p4p number 1. But he has been poorly advised and I think his best days are behind him
he doesn't have that heart and grit of the true light heavyweight greats and I dont think it would be a huge loss if he did retire now. I don't see his career ever getting back to what it was
Don't f*cking retire. Come back angry and prove the doubters wrong. I'm still smarting from those losses to Ward, as Ward can now pick and choose his way to an undefeated record with maybe a couple more fights, to preserve the "0". Just what we need..... another f*cking Mayweather. I don't see anyone in the horizon who can beat Ward, or even get a decent decision against him.
He was getting $5000 a fight when he didn't have a promoter. Kathy Duva then signed him and convinced HBO to show him (who later signed him to a proper deal), the world title shot against Cleverly and several 7-figure paydays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera3-4 years ago he was fighting for $5000 dollars a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
We heard about the "bad deal" he had for his last fight because it was so high profile.
If he was getting shit pay then and shit pay in his last fight in relative terms, then it stands to reason he was getting shit pay in between.
He's probably a bit naive in business terms, understandable for a guy earning in a strange country and he's a boxer , not a business guru.
It's a shame ,
I'm not saying he hasn't been shafted but his career looks pretty much the norm for any fighter that goes from zero to hero. Whether or not they keep the wealth they amass, or get wrapped up in shitty deals is another matter. It's par for the course in boxing for manager/promoter/fighter splits - and you can guarantee all parties will claim they were the one getting chivved.
I'd be disappointed if he finished his career that way. I heard talk of a Barrera fight at the end of the year. That's a good fight.
I am sure Kov will get his mojo back and start smashing people up again. I would hate to be one of his opponent with all that anger, hate and resentment he must be feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Looks like he did quit in the rematch..
http://www.boxingscene.com/john-davi...e-quit--120212
There's still big fights for him but if he quit against Ward
Then what's the point in coming back and fighting again?
He'll probably fight a few times in Russia and call it a career.
It seems obvious that the relationship with Kov and his trainer Jackson has deteriorated to the extend they will go their separate ways.
Jackson is saying Kov did not train as hard but also says he does not like taking body shots. Yet he was willing to go over to Ward's camp which shows that he is a disloyal man.
Artur Beterbiev now is favourite to beat Kov now
There are always two sides of the story but generally there is truth to each side. I'm wondering if Kovalev really didn't train that hard? Maybe he got overconfident?Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
It is unlikely Kov would get overconfident especialy as he lost, in fact he would have trained harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThere are always two sides of the story but generally there is truth to each side. I'm wondering if Kovalev really didn't train that hard? Maybe he got overconfident?Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Although I do not think Kov quit because of lack of training and remember those were low blows.
I was just going to post that. No love lost there. How many times can you say he can't take it to the body in one interview. Jackson's not taking any chances that Kovalev's next opponents won't know how to fight him. Oh and he's* a cunt as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
*Kovalev, not Jackson.
Can he be successful at Cruiser?
This is getting silly Master.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Give Ward his props.
The first fight could have went either way but Kovalev was in deep water in the 2nd half this time.
Kovalev is used to beating and bullying fighters around but this time a smaller man put him in his place.
Remember, Ward moved up to challenge the best at that weight...no catchweight, no adonis, no nothing.
He went for the best and beat him.
I was backing Kov for that fight, them punches were low but without them Ward would have got a legitimate stoppage with no controversy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is unlikely Kov would get overconfident especialy as he lost, in fact he would have trained harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThere are always two sides of the story but generally there is truth to each side. I'm wondering if Kovalev really didn't train that hard? Maybe he got overconfident?Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Although I do not think Kov quit because of lack of training and remember those were low blows.
McGregor said that if he was allowed to see the 10th round out without throwing a single punch then he would have got a second wind.
If my Grandma had bollocks she'd be my Grandad
First fight was extremely close (and I gave it to Kov) second fight there was only one winner, credit where its due and all that
Read what I said Kov did not quit because of lack of training, Ward beat him and was the better man but those were low blows. It was still a close fight but Ward was the better man ultimately.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI was backing Kov for that fight, them punches were low but without them Ward would have got a legitimate stoppage with no controversy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is unlikely Kov would get overconfident especialy as he lost, in fact he would have trained harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThere are always two sides of the story but generally there is truth to each side. I'm wondering if Kovalev really didn't train that hard? Maybe he got overconfident?Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Although I do not think Kov quit because of lack of training and remember those were low blows.
McGregor said that if he was allowed to see the 10th round out without throwing a single punch then he would have got a second wind.
If my Grandma had bollocks she'd be my Grandad
First fight was extremely close (and I gave it to Kov) second fight there was only one winner, credit where its due and all that
Kov should have taken a knee and fouled him back instead he quit and lost.
I would like to see Roach train him. He trains Tommy's son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Ward is a brave and skilled boxer, but def a dirty fighter as well. At this point, he's earned the right to finish his career however he wants I figure. He'd better not try Joshua though. There are limits for all men.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Kovalev will take on Vyacheslav Shabranskyy
In a 10-round light heavyweight bout on 25th of November...
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_...ranskyy-nov-25
Good comeback fight. He needs a dominant performance to get his career back on track
Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkWard is a brave and skilled boxer, but def a dirty fighter as well. At this point, he's earned the right to finish his career however he wants I figure. He'd better not try Joshua though. There are limits for all men.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I'm not a betting man, but I would say the chances of Ward ever challenging any HW, much less Joshua, are about as good as my winning the lottery... and I never play the lottery. ;D
If Ward thinks he can beat Joshua then he's deluded
I doubt he could even wrestle the belt from Parker
Even Usyk eats his lunch so he should stay at 175
There's plenty of guys to fight down there anyway
Seriously Joshua (or Wilder) put him in the hospital.
This should be an easy win for the Krusher.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
I hope so, Kov needs to take the fast road back to the top, everyone else has avoided him when they saw him destroy everyone in his path until Ward got to him. I think his future opponents will try and use the same tactics Ward did which were body shots and taking him to the later rounds. Kov's reputation can not expect to get easy wins now he will have to work for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaThis should be an easy win for the Krusher.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo