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Colin Kaepernick and the absurdity of the NFL
To our friends from across the pond who may not be familiar with issue...
Colin Kaepernick is an NFL quarterback who last year made headlines by choosing to kneel during the playing of the national anthem as his way of silently protest against the racial violence and injustices in America today. Colin is black, by the way. Anyway... this obviously got lots of headlines, and even a few other players across the league decided to join Colin as a sign of solidarity.
Fast forward to today, and Colin is basically out of the NFL. None of the 32 teams see fit to include him in their roster, regardless of the fact that he's an extremely talented QB. Adding salt to the wound, right now there's more than a handful of teams that are struggling at the quarterback position, and would benefit greatly by having Colin on their team. But obviously they'd rather flounder with some scrubs at QB, than give Colin a shot.
Pick whatever reason you like. Billionaire team owners afraid the fans will stop going to their stadiums...... racist team owners who don't like some upstart young player upsetting the apple cart that way..... whatever you feel. Personally I think it's totally hypocritical of the NFL to lock out a guy like that because of his beliefs.
As with other social causes, Colin was the pioneer in a way. The sacrificial goat. Now other guys may feel free to do the same and, what are they going to do..... kick all of them out of the league? I'm sorry, but if someone truly feels like there's a lot wrong in racial America today and that's the way they choose to express themselves, I can think of a lot worse things they could be doing.
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Well we are inundated with information of how bad we are and how terrible we are and how bad our history is. I guess we just don't want to be reminded on sundays, one day away from guilt is ok I think
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No one is forced to agree with him, or even to look at him for that matter. But his personal stance on things shouldn't blackball him from the league from which he makes his living.
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He is a living breathing piece of human garbage
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Colin Kaepernick and whomever else wishes to join in can protest the National Anthem all they like it is their freedom to do so....however teams can choose to or not to sign him based on the baggage he carries with him due to his outspokenness. Fans may also choose to watch or choose not to watch the NFL, I have chosen to not watch the NFL not necessarily just because of National Anthem protests (which I think are the height of absurdity) but also because of the various rule changes and changes to the core of the game.....I played FOOTBALL, I don't recall ever having a flag thrown on me for hitting a defenseless player. When I played people were responsible for their own safety and they weren't victims. I don't know if I can ever appreciate football the same way really, the NFL used to be all about the big hits, and nobody not 1 single fucking person ever said "Oh Concussions are great for you! Being smacked in the head really clears out the cobwebs :thumb: " but whatever the NFL and most importantly ESPN have chosen their path and they have decided they are more interested in bullshit than sports.
Is Colin Kaepernick a GOOD QB? Then why bitch about him not playing? Oh, OOOOOH he's black and he wants to stick it to the USA for being horribly racist because HE suffered sooooo much....the percentage of black players in the NFL???? African-American men are 6% of the United States population, they take up 70% of NFL rosters.....yeah, oh so fucking racist. :rolleyes:
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TitoFan
No one is forced to agree with him, or even to look at him for that matter. But his personal stance on things shouldn't blackball him from the league from which he makes his living.
Baltimore was going to sign him until Colin's girl posted a meme comparing Ray Lewis (convicted of Obstruction of Justice in a Homicide) to Samuel L. Jackson's character in Django Unchained and the Owner of the Ravens said "Nah, I think we'll pass"
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/r...friends-tweet/
He can talk, she can talk, he can protest, she can protest........but nobody ever said they would do so consequence free
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brocktonblockbust
He is a living breathing piece of human garbage
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brocktonblockbust
Fuck Colin Fuck-nik
Of all the objections I've seen, these are by far the most eloquent and well-thought-out.
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El Kabong
Colin Kaepernick and whomever else wishes to join in can protest the National Anthem all they like it is their freedom to do so....however teams can choose to or not to sign him based on the baggage he carries with him due to his outspokenness. Fans may also choose to watch or choose not to watch the NFL, I have chosen to not watch the NFL not necessarily just because of National Anthem protests (which I think are the height of absurdity) but also because of the various rule changes and changes to the core of the game.....I played FOOTBALL, I don't recall ever having a flag thrown on me for hitting a defenseless player. When I played people were responsible for their own safety and they weren't victims. I don't know if I can ever appreciate football the same way really, the NFL used to be all about the big hits, and nobody not 1 single fucking person ever said "Oh Concussions are great for you! Being smacked in the head really clears out the cobwebs :thumb: " but whatever the NFL and most importantly ESPN have chosen their path and they have decided they are more interested in bullshit than sports.
Is Colin Kaepernick a GOOD QB? Then why bitch about him not playing? Oh, OOOOOH he's black and he wants to stick it to the USA for being horribly racist because HE suffered sooooo much....the percentage of black players in the NFL???? African-American men are 6% of the United States population, they take up 70% of NFL rosters.....yeah, oh so fucking racist. :rolleyes:
Really Lyle? You're going to use the percentages defense to show how the NFL is so given to the normal black community? I'm gonna assume that one just got by you, because I don't want to believe you really believe that crock of horseshit you just spouted. So then are we to say that white players are discriminated against in the NFL because 70% of the players are black? C'mon. Think about the ridiculousness of that statement.
You can dislike Colin all you like. He feels a certain way, and he's chosen to express it. Unfortunately, you've got millions of Brocks out there who just say "fuck Colin, he's a piece of human garbage", without knowing the first thing about the man.
The fact is, he's good enough to be starting for a number of teams right now, and he's being blackballed by the cowardly and/or racist owners (or both). That may be good by you, but it doesn't cut it with me.
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Sounds like Freedom of speech in some people's books is only extended to those whom agree with them. No consequence for being a Nazi but be black and speak out you have to suffer the consequences.
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TitoFan
Really Lyle? You're going to use the percentages defense to show how the NFL is so given to the normal black community? I'm gonna assume that one just got by you, because I don't want to believe you really believe that crock of horseshit you just spouted. So then are we to say that white players are discriminated against in the NFL because 70% of the players are black? C'mon. Think about the ridiculousness of that statement.
You can dislike Colin all you like. He feels a certain way, and he's chosen to express it. Unfortunately, you've got millions of Brocks out there who just say "fuck Colin, he's a piece of human garbage", without knowing the first thing about the man.
The fact is, he's good enough to be starting for a number of teams right now, and he's being blackballed by the cowardly and/or racist owners (or both). That may be good by you, but it doesn't cut it with me.
Alright then :vd: (I had to bust that out again....do you even understand how upset that makes me?)
Colin Kaepernick to opt out, become free agent
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-opts-contract
Wut? He HAD a contract and then CHOSE to opt out? My my my ;D
Yeah I used percentages to show the average person that the NFL (owners, coaches, players, etc) don't give a fuck about race or beliefs they care if you make the team better and apparently snaking a teammate's girlfriend and becoming Mr. Black Lives Matter and having that girlfriend target a franchise hero like Ray Lewis when you're attempting to get signed PROBABLY......PROBABLY.......I said PROBABLY isn't a helpful thing.
Why isn't Tim Tebow playing bruh? Oh that's right.....baggage, not good enough. B-b-b-but Colin is different!!!! Johnny Manziel, where is he? Oh yeah, not good enough, baggage.
As free as Colin is to say what he wants to say brockton is just as free to boycott the NFL or say whatever he wants to about Colin.....free speech, where turnabout is fair play ;)
Where would he start? Who should sign him?
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Basically he's an independent contractor looking for work regardless of stats. You're a walking billboard and a franchise will consider every aspect of your hire, including adhering to team-company policy and rules as well as performance. Try bucking the most basic protocols when you next walk into your job where they do not want to have your personal belief become the focus regardless of how passionate right or wrong you may be. I don't think it's a black, white or rainbow thing really but that becomes the tag. It's a do your job and don't make my office your personal soapbox thing.
Honestly though I have a bigger problem watching guys like Dante Stallworth being paraded all over sports shows to give opinion on "moral' aspects and player rights etc.
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Call incontinent colon continent continent continent is a contest break his account is a free coin counters in pre-k should be doo dah Zippity day my oh my what a wonderful day
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El Kabong
Why isn't Tim Tebow playing bruh? Oh that's right.....baggage, not good enough. B-b-b-but Colin is different!!!! Johnny Manziel, where is he? Oh yeah, not good enough, baggage.
You don't follow the NFL anymore, so you can be forgiven for the comparisons.
Tim Tebow?? He of the shotput throwing motion? The one that takes 15 seconds to unfold? Nah.... He was given his breaks. Now he's off playing baseball.
Johnny "I'm Sorry" Manziel?? The guy's been given more breaks than a 2-foot pretzel and he still doesn't get it that he can't be a lawless moron and still play in the NFL. Besides, being good in college doesn't always carry into the NFL.
Yes, Colin IS different. For starters, he led his team to the Super Bowl after the 2012 season. How many Super Bowls have Tebow and Manziel led their teams to? I'll wait.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0
Yes, I get it. Colin represents the black resentment toward racism that you and Brock despise so much. That doesn't mean he's not entitled to his opinion, or to express given opinion. Or..... is that only reserved for marching KKK and White Supremacists groups? Kaepernick has done nothing..... I repeat..... NOTHING wrong. You, me, and the rest of civilization know that he's being held out of the NFL for his protests. No other reason.
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That piece of s*** is whiter than me he might be like 3.5% black
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@Spicoli spot on call about Donte Stallworth also how many wife beaters are there in the NFL and they never have a hard time finding a gig.
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TitoFan
You don't follow the NFL anymore, so you can be forgiven for the comparisons.
Tim Tebow?? He of the shotput throwing motion? The one that takes 15 seconds to unfold? Nah.... He was given his breaks. Now he's off playing baseball.
Johnny "I'm Sorry" Manziel?? The guy's been given more breaks than a 2-foot pretzel and he still doesn't get it that he can't be a lawless moron and still play in the NFL. Besides, being good in college doesn't always carry into the NFL.
Yes, Colin IS different. For starters, he led his team to the Super Bowl after the 2012 season. How many Super Bowls have Tebow and Manziel led their teams to? I'll wait.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0
Yes, I get it. Colin represents the black resentment toward racism that you and Brock despise so much. That doesn't mean he's not entitled to his opinion, or to express given opinion. Or..... is that only reserved for marching KKK and White Supremacists groups? Kaepernick has done nothing..... I repeat..... NOTHING wrong. You, me, and the rest of civilization know that he's being held out of the NFL for his protests. No other reason.
Tito,
Would you calm down for just a second? Just take out the name, take out the emotion, take out everything but the FACTS and really think this through.
Tim Tebow was not a Pro style QB he simply wasn't. However, dude took a 1-4 Broncos team to the Playoffs, a lot of that had to do with their defense but Tebow was the QB and they get credit for winning just like they get blame for losing. So say what you will, Tebow was a WINNER. And allow me to post this here from his Wikipedia: Despite his success with the Broncos—he compiled a record of 8–6 as a starting quarterback and led the team to the playoffs and a playoff win (after they started 1-4)—he did not start again in the NFL. No other quarterback under 30 in NFL history has won a playoff game and then never started another NFL game.....was THAT racism? was THAT bigotry? was THAT called out ever? NO! Given breaks my ass, he never started again, NEVER AGAIN!!!!! But he didn't whine or complain or bitch on social media, he wasn't a victim about it, he just moved on.
Johnny Manziel another NOT Pro style QB. He was given 1 opportunity, 1.....to play in Cleveland and he had off the field issues and also that entire team sucked but even if there were better players around him his off the field issues made his situation untenable in Cleveland or elsewhere.
Now, as for Colin Kaepernick, 2012....that was his Super Bowl year where he started out as a backup/wildcat QB, Alex Smith goes down with a concussion and Colin got thrown in and he did very well I'm not going to lie, the stats show he did very very well (aided by a great running game and defense, but still credit where credit is due). 2013 he had a STELLAR year and in return the 49ers gave him a 6 year extension. HOWEVER once Jim Harbaugh left Colin Kaepernick didn't do so hot. Record under Jim Harbaugh 25-14 and after Harbaugh he's 3-16. In 2015 Kaep was benched for Blaine Gabbart (a younger more pure throwing Pro style QB albeit IMO not a "better" QB just a different one), Kaep eventually injured his shoulder and missed the rest of the season following week 10. After Jim Tomsula was fired in comes Chip Kelly (after a torrid time in Philly where he was called racist by some of the players whom he benched or traded) and of course there's turmoil in comes a new coach with a different offensive scheme, it's not uncommon to want to get "Your Guy" in at QB and apparently learning nothing from his time at Philly Chip Kelly gets the team to go 2-14 and was fired....now after THAT you figure "Well hey, maybe the 49ers will hire somebody to use Kaep to run their offense"......aaaaaand that's when Colin Kaepernick opted out of his deal because the 49ers were going to cut him because a QB that has gone 3-16 since the Harbaugh era ain't worth the kind of money they were giving him.
You didn't answer my question @TitoFan Where would he start? Who should sign him?
Nobody is begrudging anything Colin Kaepernick is saying or doing, there are plenty of players kneeling for the Anthem now, they're all still on teams. The entire St. Louis Rams team came out with the "Hands Up Don't Shoot" horseshit those guys are still playing even though they perpetuated a LIE. Tito, you've also failed to respond to Ray Lewis attempting to get the Ravens to sign Kaepernick but because Colin Kaepernick's girlfriend posted this....
https://yourdailykarma.com/wp-conten...30-660x400.jpg
....yeah, THAT is what she put out there and then the Ravens Owner said basically 'No, I'm not going to sign somebody who has a girlfriend posting that kind of shit about the Ravens greatest player, it's not worth the trouble'
Colin Kaepernick is free to say and do and post whatever he likes, but NFL teams don't HAVE to sign him, it's a privilege to get paid to play football, it's a privilege to have a job....you try pulling shit like that which irritates your boss and see what the hell happens and it doesn't help when you're very recently 3-16....Girlfriend who can't keep her trap shut, 3-16, very outspoken on racial issues to the point where he's comparing the Police with Runaway Slave Patrols....yeah, not helpful. If he really wants to make a difference perhaps he should run for office instead of first downs.
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Lyle, you have something in common with a certain brother-in-law of mine, who also defends Tebow to the death. ;D Hey.... Tebow is probably the nicest guy in the world. But......... even while he was still in college, pro scouts were already shaking their heads regarding his throwing motion. This is not an NFL-caliber quarterback. Does he know how to win? Sure. He proved that at Florida. But that alone does not guarantee an NFL QB starting job. You have to have the tools. His wins at Denver were a bit of a fluke. Elway saw that, and made the move to Peyton, which eventually led to a SB win. (My bro-in-law hates Elway, by the way). PLUS...... there's that unmentioned tidbit of information that Tebow was given the option to move to tight end, an offer he flatly refused. It was QB or nothing. Guess what the NFL teams said.....
Manziel was another "good in college, not so good in pros" type of guy. Not physically imposing.... made his living scrambling like a bat out of hell in college. He maybe could've made it on his marginal skills in the NFL. But he wore out his welcome REALLY fast.
Colin, on the other hand, was a PROVEN commodity in the NFL. You're comparing an established pro to two guys who never accumulated equity in the pros. Apples and oranges, Lyle.
Now as to the NFL's decision to blackball him. It isn't even the league, probably. There's likely no memorandum saying "hands off Colin". It's even worse. It's the group of cowardly/ racist/ narrow-minded exclusively white male owners of the league who want nothing to do with him. Oh.... as far as what teams could use Colin right now? How about the aforementioned Browns? Oh wait, I forgot....... they've got a stable of young, talented QBs just chomping at the bit to start right now. :rolleyes: How about the Colts? Luck is out..... and I can't say I even remotely recognize the two chumps they're now deciding between to start in the meantime. Add to that the Jets, the Jags, and a few other QB-challenged teams out there.... and I'm sure Colin could contribute a great deal.
Look, Colin's no saint... and if the NFL is looking for saints to start at QB, the list is going to become mighty short. Aside from Colin's soap-opera B.S. story about girlfriend pictures and all that... and his kneeling in protest at games last year..... whatthefuck has he done to incure such disdain from the league?? I'm asking honestly. You know full well that the NFL has more than its share of drug abusers, wife beaters, and other such not-very-nice-people. So again, why the cold shoulder on this guy?
Oh... and let's address this "privilege" you're talking about. Playing football professionally is/was this guy's JOB. Now... how would you react to an avowed white supremacist who happened to participate in a peaceful march downtown, only to find himself without a job on Monday..... huh? What if he was fired for some dumbass excuse, when everybody and their brother knew the REAL reason? What if the guy found he couldn't get a job ANYWHERE in town? Would that be ok? .................................................. ...... didn't think so.
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I'm not defending Tim Tebow I'm defending the NFL teams CHOOSING not to sign him. Yes he was given an option to play TE or FB or whatever, he stuck to his guns and wanted to play QB and now he's playing baseball. It happens.
Again, NFL teams CHOOSE not to sign Manziel because he's not worth the trouble.
"Colin, on the other hand, was a PROVEN commodity in the NFL." yeah and that commodity was recently 3-16 nothing. 3-16 by itself isn't so bad, 3-16 with a mouthy girlfriend, and a bunch of extra bullshit heaped on the situation ain't worth it. It's not even just about signing Kaepernick, it'll be the all eyes on him as he's on the sidelines, all eyes on him "Can he get his teammates to join in his protests with him", ESPN running nonstop "When will he/Why isn't he starting?" coverage 24/7....teams don't need that distraction, they don't want that distraction.
"Now as to the NFL's decision to blackball him. It isn't even the league, probably. There's likely no memorandum saying "hands off Colin". It's even worse. It's the group of cowardly/ racist/ narrow-minded exclusively white male owners of the league who want nothing to do with him."....and just pray tell WHY would those owners want nothing to do with Colin Kaepernick as opposed to anyone else who is taking a knee during the National Anthem? Hmm....those guys getting "blackballed"? Hmmm? Are they? You DO realize you're calling guys who make African-American athletes MULTIMILLIONAIRES and I quote "racist"....narrow minded? Cowardly? Who provides security at their games? Who buys tickets to their events? Who is paying the salaries of their players (which includes the African-Americans ones)?....Those guys are looking at a ratings collapse the likes of which has never been seen before due to??? care to take a stab at that?
As for the teams you suggest:
Browns: DeShone Kizer (hey what do ya know, a black dude!) age 21, he's a rookie, he's starting. Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan both 2nd year QBs who are backing up Kizer. Those guys may or may not be as good or better than Colin Kaepernick but they're signed already and cutting players means a cap hit and I'm thinking Cleveland is thinking about using big money to attract free agents AND trying to keep costs down as they continue to lose. The Browns have been stung several times with drafting QB's I'm not sure why other than they have a trio of younger guys they wouldn't sign up Kaepernick unless they viewed him as a lockerroom problem or somebody who is not going to help them more than who they already have and that is entirely their prerogative.
Jets: starter Josh McCown an old vet, backups Brice Petty and Christian Hackenberg both young backups who have yet to really establish themselves....they are probably playing for the top 1st round pick along with the Browns. Would you rather add Kaep or a brand new QB? Depends on who the owner, the coach and the GM are really...Coach is African-American Todd Bowles, GM is Mike Maccagnan who has been a scout and chose Bowles to be head coach, and the owner is Woody Johnson who has owned the Jets since 2000...he gave Michael Vick a chance to start after his stint with the Eagles, they also had Geno Smith (also African-American), and Quincy Carter (also African-American) soooo racist??????
Colts: It's the Andrew Luck show in Indy....do you remember who Peyton's backup was during his time there? Scott Tolzein (30 years old, veteran presence) and Jacoby Brissett 23 years old (hey another African-American what do you know?)....you typically have 1 veteran and 1 youth backup QB and I'm guessing that those options are also cheaper than what Kaepernick is looking for.
The NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of league and also there's a whole "Who fits our style of play?" issue....I haven't seen the Browns play, does Kaep fit that style? I don't know, I DO know he is most recently 3-16 and that ain't all that great now is it?
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Oh... and let's address this "privilege" you're talking about. Playing football professionally is/was this guy's JOB. Now... how would you react to an avowed white supremacist who happened to participate in a peaceful march downtown, only to find himself without a job on Monday..... huh? What if he was fired for some dumbass excuse, when everybody and their brother knew the REAL reason? What if the guy found he couldn't get a job ANYWHERE in town? Would that be ok? .................................................. ...... didn't think so.
I'd say the white supremacist had it coming and his boss can decide to do what is best for his company. Sorry dude, but that shit happens all the time....Curt Schilling was fired by ESPN for posting a meme on social media, fucking Doug Adler got fired for saying "Guerilla Effect" when commentating on a Venus Williams vs Serena Williams tennis match....did he really mean "Gorilla"? Hell if I know but he's been fired sooo oh well.
The emotion you're arguing with is impressive.....the logic you're not using is likewise impressive.
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El Kabong
I'm not defending Tim Tebow I'm defending the NFL teams CHOOSING not to sign him. Yes he was given an option to play TE or FB or whatever, he stuck to his guns and wanted to play QB and now he's playing baseball. It happens.
No, you're not defending Tim Tebow. You're making a comparison why Tebow not playing is like Kaepernick not playing. I showed you why you can't compare Tebow and Kaepernick. My point was made. Next point please.
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El Kabong
"Colin, on the other hand, was a PROVEN commodity in the NFL." yeah and that commodity was recently 3-16 nothing. 3-16 by itself isn't so bad, 3-16 with a mouthy girlfriend, and a bunch of extra bullshit heaped on the situation ain't worth it. It's not even just about signing Kaepernick, it'll be the all eyes on him as he's on the sidelines, all eyes on him "Can he get his teammates to join in his protests with him", ESPN running nonstop "When will he/Why isn't he starting?" coverage 24/7....teams don't need that distraction, they don't want that distraction.
"Not wanting a distraction" is the easiest "go-to" excuse known to man. Believe me, if the owners thought Jack the Ripper might help them reach the Super Bowl, he'd be signed in 2 seconds flat. But because it's Colin and his "oh so tiresome protest against social injustices", it's a distraction. Yeah... RIGHT. :rolleyes:
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El Kabong
"Now as to the NFL's decision to blackball him. It isn't even the league, probably. There's likely no memorandum saying "hands off Colin". It's even worse. It's the group of cowardly/ racist/ narrow-minded exclusively white male owners of the league who want nothing to do with him."....and just pray tell WHY would those owners want nothing to do with Colin Kaepernick as opposed to anyone else who is taking a knee during the National Anthem? Hmm....those guys getting "blackballed"? Hmmm? Are they? You DO realize you're calling guys who make African-American athletes MULTIMILLIONAIRES and I quote "racist"....narrow minded? Cowardly? Who provides security at their games? Who buys tickets to their events? Who is paying the salaries of their players (which includes the African-Americans ones)?....Those guys are looking at a ratings collapse the likes of which has never been seen before due to??? care to take a stab at that?
This is so fucking ludicrous I just had to highlight it. I have one name for you, Lyle. Donald Fucking Sterling. Was he a billionaire team owner? Check. Did he make black (I use the proper term) athletes multimillionares? Check. Did he provide security at their games? Check. Did he buy tickets to their events? Check. Was he paying for their salaries? Check. Now..... what in the name of all fuck does being a goddamn racist have to do with being a billionaire owner and having black players on your team? Right. Another asinine point down the tubes.
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El Kabong
As for the teams you suggest:
Browns: DeShone Kizer (hey what do ya know, a black dude!) age 21, he's a rookie, he's starting.
I will NOT let you deviate from my point! I'm not saying the NFL is racist, Lyle. Here's a jackhammer so you can drive the point into your brain. I'm complaining about the owners blackballing Colin Kaepernick for his actions that now MANY players are doing. And of course they're not going to blackball the whole damn league, are they?
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Oh... and let's address this "privilege" you're talking about. Playing football professionally is/was this guy's JOB. Now... how would you react to an avowed white supremacist who happened to participate in a peaceful march downtown, only to find himself without a job on Monday..... huh? What if he was fired for some dumbass excuse, when everybody and their brother knew the REAL reason? What if the guy found he couldn't get a job ANYWHERE in town? Would that be ok? .................................................. ...... didn't think so.
I'd say the white supremacist had it coming and his boss can decide to do what is best for his company. Sorry dude, but that shit happens all the time....Curt Schilling was fired by ESPN for posting a meme on social media, fucking Doug Adler got fired for saying "Guerilla Effect" when commentating on a Venus Williams vs Serena Williams tennis match....did he really mean "Gorilla"? Hell if I know but he's been fired sooo oh well.
Yes, and I criticized the Schilling firing, criticized the Adler firing, and will criticize all the itchy-trigger-finger actions like these any time they occur. So just as I criticize those, I also criticize the blackballing of Colin. I'm nothing if not consistent. ;)
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El Kabong
The emotion you're arguing with is impressive.....the logic you're not using is likewise impressive.
You just can't resist ending on a low note, can you. :rolleyes:
I'll refrain from responding in kind, as we all know here that you're the only one who uses logic in his arguments.
Thanks for the opportunity to bask in your wisdom.
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Kunt Kunternick is a piece of dog shit.
Period.
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No, you're not defending Tim Tebow. You're making a comparison why Tebow not playing is like Kaepernick not playing. I showed you why you can't compare Tebow and Kaepernick. My point was made. Next point please.
Career record: Tim Tebow 8-6 Colin Kaepernick 28-30 oooof that last season going 1-10 really hurt didn't it?
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"Not wanting a distraction" is the easiest "go-to" excuse known to man. Believe me, if the owners thought Jack the Ripper might help them reach the Super Bowl, he'd be signed in 2 seconds flat. But because it's Colin and his "oh so tiresome protest against social injustices", it's a distraction. Yeah... RIGHT.
Well the Baltimore Ravens having ONLY 2 QB's on their roster in Joe Flacco and Ryan Mallet were going to attempt to sign Colin Kaepernick at the urging of Ray Lewis......only Colin's girlfriend posted a meme calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom and the owners decided to not sign him. Do we really grasp that yet? Do we really understand that? Do you think in any sport a team would let a franchise HERO be treated like that by a free agent, no pardon me, a free agent's GIRLFRIEND......nah, I don't think so.
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This is so fucking ludicrous I just had to highlight it. I have one name for you, Lyle. Donald Fucking Sterling. Was he a billionaire team owner? Check. Did he make black (I use the proper term) athletes multimillionares? Check. Did he provide security at their games? Check. Did he buy tickets to their events? Check. Was he paying for their salaries? Check. Now..... what in the name of all fuck does being a goddamn racist have to do with being a billionaire owner and having black players on your team? Right. Another asinine point down the tubes.
OK so 100% of the NFL owners are exactly like Donald Sterling? The Rooney family I suppose is much like Donald Sterling? :-\
Also I don't believe you understand me correctly....Police and Sheriff's and State Troopers provide security, you know the who Colin Kaepernick say MURDER black people, you know, "just because"....it's a bigger fucking deal than "Oh just sign him and fuck all those guys"....this might seem shocking to you but people are PROUD of their communities, they don't want them run down by some pampered football player....yeah he PLAYS A FUCKING GAME for a living and he makes more money than the people buying tickets will ever fucking see, no thank you. It's not endearing to a community. Ticket sales, that's a big fucking issue, SJWs buying up all the Kaep gear they want.....don't buy tickets.
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Originally Posted by KaepernickFan
I will NOT let you deviate from my point! I'm not saying the NFL is racist, Lyle. Here's a jackhammer so you can drive the point into your brain. I'm complaining about the owners blackballing Colin Kaepernick for his actions that now MANY players are doing. And of course they're not going to blackball the whole damn league, are they?
Yeah, you've actually called the owners "racist" I mean you literally posted that exact thing..."It's the group of cowardly/ racist/ narrow-minded exclusively white male owners of the league who want nothing to do with him."...the Owners are "The League"
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Yes, and I criticized the Schilling firing, criticized the Adler firing, and will criticize all the itchy-trigger-finger actions like these any time they occur. So just as I criticize those, I also criticize the blackballing of Colin. I'm nothing if not consistent.
Don't sprain anything patting yourself on the back ;D
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You just can't resist ending on a low note, can you.
I'll refrain from responding in kind, as we all know here that you're the only one who uses logic in his arguments.
Thanks for the opportunity to bask in your wisdom.
Your passion for Kaep is clouding your judgement....again, opted out of 49ers contract, Ravens were going to sign him but his girlfriend is apparently a gigantic cunt (don't believe me just ask ex-bf and former teammate of Kaepernick, Aldon Smith) and she called Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom and MAYBE....MAYYYYYYBE had she not done that he'd be in Baltimore, but dumb bitches gonna dumb bitch
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Let's clear up one thing up front. "My passion" for Kaepernick? No, man. My passion is for injustices, regardless of who they might be. Regardless of profession, color, beliefs, whatever. It happens to be Kaepernick in this case, a black (shorter than African-American) professional football player. We clear on that? Good. Let's proceed.
1. You must be in desperate straights to keep trying to compare Tebow to Kaepernick. But just like my blinders-wearing brother in law, you'll never be convinced otherwise. Suffice it to say you'd be laughed out of any decent barroom conversation with knowledgeable pro football fans. You quit following the NFL, remember? Yes.... please throw out there their career records. Forget about everything else involved. Forget that Tebow's very short run in the NFL was/is/ will always be considered a fluke. Forget that Kaepernick had HUGE stats in leading his team to the Super Bowl not long ago. Forget what 99% of football experts would say to your comparison if they could just forget the white elephant in the room which is of course Colin's audacity to protest something he believes in.
2. Football players are judged by THEIR actions. This isn't "All My Children" or "General Hospital". This is a professional football league for grownups. Save the girlfriend soap opera for somebody who cares. Did Colin himself do anything wrong? Is the woman his WIFE? No to both questions. Move on.
3. You made the ludicrous claim about owners providing jobs and being ohhhh so kind to black football players, providing security, blah, blah, blah. I merely pointed out that every batch of apples has a few rotten ones in the barrel. In this case it was Sterling. Had he not been moronic enough to be recorded saying some horribly racist things, we would've been none the wiser, and you'd be claiming that they're all wonderful human beings.
4. The league has a Commissioner. Granted, he's many times a puppet on the owners' strings, but so be it. The official position of the league, of course, is totally and decidedly UN-racist. And if you were to poll all the owners, they'd be just short of Mother Theresa status.
Admit it. You hate it when anyone brings up racism, WHETHER IT'S WARRANTED OR NOT. You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point.
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Let's clear up one thing up front. "My passion" for Kaepernick? No, man. My passion is for injustices, regardless of who they might be. Regardless of profession, color, beliefs, whatever. It happens to be Kaepernick in this case, a black (shorter than African-American) professional football player. We clear on that? Good. Let's proceed.
1. You must be in desperate straights to keep trying to compare Tebow to Kaepernick. But just like my blinders-wearing brother in law, you'll never be convinced otherwise. Suffice it to say you'd be laughed out of any decent barroom conversation with knowledgeable pro football fans. You quit following the NFL, remember? Yes.... please throw out there their career records. Forget about everything else involved. Forget that Tebow's very short run in the NFL was/is/ will always be considered a fluke. Forget that Kaepernick had HUGE stats in leading his team to the Super Bowl not long ago. Forget what 99% of football experts would say to your comparison if they could just forget the white elephant in the room which is of course Colin's audacity to protest something he believes in.
2. Football players are judged by THEIR actions. This isn't "All My Children" or "General Hospital". This is a professional football league for grownups. Save the girlfriend soap opera for somebody who cares. Did Colin himself do anything wrong? Is the woman his WIFE? No to both questions. Move on.
3. You made the ludicrous claim about owners providing jobs and being ohhhh so kind to black football players, providing security, blah, blah, blah. I merely pointed out that every batch of apples has a few rotten ones in the barrel. In this case it was Sterling. Had he not been moronic enough to be recorded saying some horribly racist things, we would've been none the wiser, and you'd be claiming that they're all wonderful human beings.
4. The league has a Commissioner. Granted, he's many times a puppet on the owners' strings, but so be it. The official position of the league, of course, is totally and decidedly UN-racist. And if you were to poll all the owners, they'd be just short of Mother Theresa status.
Admit it. You hate it when anyone brings up racism, WHETHER IT'S WARRANTED OR NOT. You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point.
So Colin Kaepernick is having a grave injustice committed against him by the 32 Donald Sterlings who own the NFL teams? This is 100% due to his being of mixed race and protesting the National Anthem and Police correct? It has 0% to do with his being 29 years old and 3-16 in his starts from 2015 & 2016? His not being on a team has nothing to do with his opting out of a contract with the 49ers or his girlfriend calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom (sorry you think that's "Soap Opera" but at the VERY least it's not helpful, the VERY least).
1. God al-fucking-mighty.....fine I'll not compare him to Tebow
2. Yup EXACTLY! So if I'm a football player and I'm looking to play in Dallas and my girlfriend posts something which calls Emmitt Smith a "n*gger" that's going to have 0 impact on my signing with Dallas? Please, please, pretty fucking please with a cherry on top tell me you honestly think that.
3. I'm not claiming they are all wonderful, I'm claiming they aren't ALL Donald Sterling, but according to you I am wrong about that.
4. Yes and this Commissioner has been running the league into the fucking ground.
I'll be very frank, I don't believe in celebritizing victimhood. I believe that the "racist" problems in the United States of America pale in comparison to those issues around the world. I hate that people make money pushing an agenda that perpetuates racism instead of actually addressing the issue, I hate it that people think just because Trump is President that "It's the most dangerous time to be alive!!!", I hate it that politicians and activists PUSH to break the black 2 parent household and abort more black babies, I hate it that people have lower expectations (academically, legally, in the work place) for people of different races, I hate it that some people TRULY feel that they are carrying the weight of their ancestors' oppression and that they feel I should carry the guilt of my ancestors if they did something or nothing they were white and so I being of their skin color/race should be punished feel guilt and shame.....FUCK THAT!
Are there racists in the world? Yeah, the world is a big and scary place at times and yeah there are some really fucking hateful people out there but the average person Tito, the average person black, white, brown, yellow, whatever I CHOOSE to believe their natural state is goodness, kindness, humanity. If you wish to allude to my being a racist or allowing racism or what have you, FINE, I have 0 problem with you thinking that of me, 0 got it? I'm in a mixed marriage but nah, nah it's cool because you think I'm racist or that I make exceptions for racism, that must be the case.
I HOPE to God Colin Kaepernick is signed and starts every fucking game. I do not care if he's the WORST QB of all fucking time he should be signed and never leave the field because he's THAT talented 3-16.
Colin Kaepernick 3:16
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The following is not about Colin Kaepernick, but it also IS at the same time as he an Ta-Nehisi Coates share very similar beliefs.....the author (Jason D. Hikll) of this open letter does NOT share those views. If you care to read it there it is, if not, that is also fine.
An Open Letter to Ta-Nehisi Coates
The Dream is real
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...nehisi-coates/
You touch on your flirtation with some special black racial essentialism in your book, and it is both affecting and sympathetic: “My working theory then held all black people as kings in exile, a nation of original men severed from our original names and our majestic Nubian culture. Surely this was the message I took from gazing out in the [Howard] Yard. Had any people, anywhere, ever been as sprawling and beautiful as us?” Unfortunately, there is nothing special about the black body. There is nothing special about any racially distinct physical body per se. Black skin does not convey nobility. Neither does white skin, or yellow skin. Your body is not special until it conjoins itself to a mind and adapts nature to its needs and desires and rational aspirations, its self-actualization and manifested agency. Any human body that fails to achieve a self-cultivated moral character and inscrutable human will is merely an ecological social ballast: ignoble, exploitable, a heap of unintelligible flesh on this earth.
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El Kabong
So Colin Kaepernick is having a grave injustice committed against him by the 32 Donald Sterlings who own the NFL teams? This is 100% due to his being of mixed race and protesting the National Anthem and Police correct? It has 0% to do with his being 29 years old and 3-16 in his starts from 2015 & 2016? His not being on a team has nothing to do with his opting out of a contract with the 49ers or his girlfriend calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom (sorry you think that's "Soap Opera" but at the VERY least it's not helpful, the VERY least).
This is not the "all or nothing" game. It's not either all owners are racist or none of them are. IMO, more than a handful are. Enough to make a difference. Besides.... I'm not claiming their racism is why they're blackballing Colin. I'm claiming they're cowardly backing away from an issue which should have no bearing..... ZERO.... on a player's ability to help their team. Whether it's racist-related... whether it's stupidly bottom line related. Whether they're ultra-mega patriots and they don't like protests against the anthem. Whether they don't like his afro. Or whether they just don't think there's anything wrong in urban America and thus nothing needs to get fixed....... whatever the reason.
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1. God al-fucking-mighty.....fine I'll not compare him to Tebow
;D Thanks.
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2. Yup EXACTLY! So if I'm a football player and I'm looking to play in Dallas and my girlfriend posts something which calls Emmitt Smith a "n*gger" that's going to have 0 impact on my signing with Dallas? Please, please, pretty fucking please with a cherry on top tell me you honestly think that.
You went deep on that one. ;D The proper thing to have done would be to demand a public apology from your girlfriend and no..... not blackball you from joining the Cowboys. Depending how good you were, of course. ;D
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El Kabong
3. I'm not claiming they are all wonderful, I'm claiming they aren't ALL Donald Sterling, but according to you I am wrong about that.
Quote me where I said that 100% of NFL owners were Donald Sterling. Go ahead.
That's the problem with absolute, broad-brush statements. ;)
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4. Yes and this Commissioner has been running the league into the fucking ground.
Here is my defense of Roger Goodell............
https://media.giphy.com/media/l2R013...voyI/giphy.gif
"I'll be very frank, I don't believe in celebritizing victimhood. I believe that the "racist" problems in the United States of America pale in comparison to those issues around the world. I hate that people make money pushing an agenda that perpetuates racism instead of actually addressing the issue, I hate it that people think just because Trump is President that "It's the most dangerous time to be alive!!!", I hate it that politicians and activists PUSH to break the black 2 parent household and abort more black babies, I hate it that people have lower expectations (academically, legally, in the work place) for people of different races, I hate it that some people TRULY feel that they are carrying the weight of their ancestors' oppression and that they feel I should carry the guilt of my ancestors if they did something or nothing they were white and so I being of their skin color/race should be punished feel guilt and shame.....FUCK THAT!"
You have a giant chip on your shoulder, IMHO. You lump everyone together in the same boat. Those who use racism as a tool/ card to get preferential treatment..... and those of US who see things the way they are, and recognize racism DOES exist, it's not some fantasy created by the first group. The way you express yourself shows that resentment coming out of your pores. It need not be like that. Some black people have real beefs. Are they to get swept away by the tsunami of resentment you express toward the first group?? Deep down you know I'm right, and if you don't now... you will in time.
"If you wish to allude to my being a racist or allowing racism or what have you, FINE, I have 0 problem with you thinking that of me, 0 got it? I'm in a mixed marriage but nah, nah it's cool because you think I'm racist or that I make exceptions for racism, that must be the case."
C'mon stop it Lyle. I've never alluded to your being a racist. Can't we have normal discussions without you putting words in my mouth? I get enough of that with the forum princess Miles. :rolleyes: I'm making a good, rational, trying-to-be-objective argument. You don't make it very easy, though.
"I HOPE to God Colin Kaepernick is signed and starts every fucking game. I do not care if he's the WORST QB of all fucking time he should be signed and never leave the field because he's THAT talented 3-16."
Yeah. He had a bad season, Lyle. I get it. So have other good QB's who are good enough to start in this league. I'm not gonna start comparing Colin to anyone in particular, but you know as well as I do that even good, proven QB's go through rough spots. But whatever. I'm tiring of having to deny shit I haven't said.
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brock no lik kap? (grunt, grunt) aw shuks... two badd
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TitoFan
This is not the "all or nothing" game. It's not either all owners are racist or none of them are. IMO, more than a handful are. Enough to make a difference. Besides.... I'm not claiming their racism is why they're blackballing Colin. I'm claiming they're cowardly backing away from an issue which should have no bearing..... ZERO.... on a player's ability to help their team. Whether it's racist-related... whether it's stupidly bottom line related. Whether they're ultra-mega patriots and they don't like protests against the anthem. Whether they don't like his afro. Or whether they just don't think there's anything wrong in urban America and thus nothing needs to get fixed....... whatever the reason.
Actually it is all or nothing...if 32 teams pass on Colin Kaepernick then that's literally ALL of the teams passing on him....ALL of them. And you say just willy nilly "IMO, more than a handful are" saying that you believe "more than a handful" of NFL owners are racist.....ummm Proof? Evidence? Yeah yeah Donald Sterling was an NBA owner but do please tell me which of the NFL owners are racist, I mean you MUST have evidence seeing how you can off the cuff just say a "handful are" also what's a handful? 3? 5? Let's say 3, just for debates sake I'll say 2....proof of 2 racist NFL team owners.
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TitoFan
You went deep on that one. ;D The proper thing to have done would be to demand a public apology from your girlfriend and no..... not blackball you from joining the Cowboys. Depending how good you were, of course. ;D
Oh oh depending on how good I was....let's just say I was 3-16 my last 19 starts as a QB, let's just say that """""HYPOTHETICALLY"""""....hmmm, what then?
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TitoFan
Quote me where I said that 100% of NFL owners were Donald Sterling. Go ahead.
That's the problem with absolute, broad-brush statements. ;)
I don't have to, if 0 NFL teams sign Colin Kaepernick and you've said "He's not being signed because #RACIST !" then the logical conclusion is 32 racist owners, that is quite literally what you've argued
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TitoFan
You have a giant chip on your shoulder, IMHO. You lump everyone together in the same boat. Those who use racism as a tool/ card to get preferential treatment..... and those of US who see things the way they are, and recognize racism DOES exist, it's not some fantasy created by the first group. The way you express yourself shows that resentment coming out of your pores. It need not be like that. Some black people have real beefs. Are they to get swept away by the tsunami of resentment you express toward the first group?? Deep down you know I'm right, and if you don't now... you will in time.
Thank you
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TitoFan
C'mon stop it Lyle. I've never alluded to your being a racist. Can't we have normal discussions without you putting words in my mouth? I get enough of that with the forum princess Miles. :rolleyes: I'm making a good, rational, trying-to-be-objective argument. You don't make it very easy, though.
"You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point." - TitoFan
What am I to take from that hmm? What I read is you consider me either: a straight up racist, somebody who makes excuses for racism, or somebody apathetic to the struggles of others.
Perhaps, perhaps, I'm just somebody who thinks if all you have to harp on or all you want to harp on is skin color then you're an insufferable bore and you have no worth to me at all....and those people would be the likes of Al Sharpton, Louis Farakhan, David Duke, Richard Spencer, etc.....but no, no, let's not have THAT be an acceptable position, I mean people might end up forgetting how fucking oppressed they aren't
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Yeah. He had a bad season, Lyle. I get it. So have other good QB's who are good enough to start in this league. I'm not gonna start comparing Colin to anyone in particular, but you know as well as I do that even good, proven QB's go through rough spots. But whatever. I'm tiring of having to deny shit I haven't said.
So you're saying that he should be given another chance? A chance SOME players don't ever get? I want him signed IMMEDIATELY, I want him STARTING, and I want to see ESPN cover it 24/7, and I want to see the NFL AND ESPN's ratings nosedive! I want them to get what THEY want which is the complete end of professional football. It'll be boycotts, it'll be apathy, it'll be CTE, it'll be a coming player strike.....I WELCOME IT and I used to live for playing football and watching football, now I do not give 1 single shit about it.
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Now @TitoFan don't go trying to think my tone is that of an angry rabid gorilla...I'm completely calm, frustrated maybe but calm. Other than that I'm asking for you to clarify your position on just what box you're wanting to fit me in to....I would like to hope you don't think of me as racist but then again the accusations are tossed around with such ease these days I can't be certain.
Think about what it takes to be called a "White Supremacist" these days or a "Nazi".....it doesn't take much, fucking Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew and he's been called a "Nazi" soooo I'm just trying to ask questions which get you to explain further what you actually mean, and where you think I fit on your whatever...board of kinds of people
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TitoFan
This is not the "all or nothing" game. It's not either all owners are racist or none of them are. IMO, more than a handful are. Enough to make a difference. Besides.... I'm not claiming their racism is why they're blackballing Colin. I'm claiming they're cowardly backing away from an issue which should have no bearing..... ZERO.... on a player's ability to help their team. Whether it's racist-related... whether it's stupidly bottom line related. Whether they're ultra-mega patriots and they don't like protests against the anthem. Whether they don't like his afro. Or whether they just don't think there's anything wrong in urban America and thus nothing needs to get fixed....... whatever the reason.
Actually it is all or nothing...if 32 teams pass on Colin Kaepernick then that's literally ALL of the teams passing on him....ALL of them. And you say just willy nilly
"IMO, more than a handful are" saying that you believe "more than a handful" of NFL owners are racist.....ummm Proof? Evidence? Yeah yeah Donald Sterling was an NBA owner but do please tell me which of the NFL owners are racist, I mean you MUST have evidence seeing how you can off the cuff just say a "handful are" also what's a handful? 3? 5? Let's say 3, just for debates sake I'll say 2....proof of 2 racist NFL team owners.
I fucking GAVE you other reasons why he's being blackballed as well..... but you just stored that information where the sun don't shine.
So tell me....... why should I bother continuing the argument when you selectively read to suit your pleasure?
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TitoFan
You went deep on that one. ;D The proper thing to have done would be to demand a public apology from your girlfriend and no..... not blackball you from joining the Cowboys. Depending how good you were, of course. ;D
Oh oh depending on how good I was....let's just say I was 3-16 my last 19 starts as a QB, let's just say that """""HYPOTHETICALLY"""""....hmmm, what then?
Well... if you were 3-16 in your last starts as QB, and those were YOUR ONLY starts in the NFL, I'd tell you to go take a hike. However, if you had been a proven good QB and had led your team to the Super Bowl at some point, I'd be open to giving you a break. How's that for an answer? Not good enough? Tough shit.
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El Kabong
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TitoFan
Quote me where I said that 100% of NFL owners were Donald Sterling. Go ahead.
That's the problem with absolute, broad-brush statements. ;)
I don't have to, if 0 NFL teams sign Colin Kaepernick and you've said "He's not being signed because #RACIST !" then the logical conclusion is 32 racist owners, that is quite literally what you've argued
See: "Selective Reading" above. As in........ QUIT FUCKING DOING IT.
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TitoFan
You have a giant chip on your shoulder, IMHO. You lump everyone together in the same boat. Those who use racism as a tool/ card to get preferential treatment..... and those of US who see things the way they are, and recognize racism DOES exist, it's not some fantasy created by the first group. The way you express yourself shows that resentment coming out of your pores. It need not be like that. Some black people have real beefs. Are they to get swept away by the tsunami of resentment you express toward the first group?? Deep down you know I'm right, and if you don't now... you will in time.
Thank you
Touched a nerve, huh? You see, without being insulting or condescending, I told you in few words that I think you group too many people together because of your own disdain for certain beliefs. It's wrong, it's unfair, it's shortsighted... and the fact is you know it. Hence the "thank you", I guess. Well, what can I say. You're welcome.
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TitoFan
C'mon stop it Lyle. I've never alluded to your being a racist. Can't we have normal discussions without you putting words in my mouth? I get enough of that with the forum princess Miles. :rolleyes: I'm making a good, rational, trying-to-be-objective argument. You don't make it very easy, though.
"You've made up your mind LONG AGO that racism is only a tool/ card to be played by those who want to gain something undeserved by it. Not for a minute has it EVER crossed your mind that there might be the slightest possibility that in some cases these claims might be completely warranted. As usual, not only do you live on the other side of the pendulum..... you help swing it to its highest point." - TitoFan
What am I to take from that hmm? What I read is you consider me either: a straight up racist, somebody who makes excuses for racism, or somebody apathetic to the struggles of others.
Perhaps, perhaps, I'm just somebody who thinks if all you have to harp on or all you want to harp on is skin color then you're an insufferable bore and you have no worth to me at all....and those people would be the likes of Al Sharpton, Louis Farakhan, David Duke, Richard Spencer, etc.....but no, no, let's not have THAT be an acceptable position, I mean people might end up forgetting how fucking oppressed they aren't
I'll take "somebody apathetic to the struggles of others" for $500, Alex. Yes. That would be an apt description when it comes to black people with an honest beef. Not black people in general. I don't think in those terms. Just those who have been wrongfully discriminated, shot, beaten, fired, etc, etc, etc. Individual cases, Lyle. Individual cases. Racial profiling. Pulling over black doctors or lawyers just because they're black. Shit like that. Don't have to go into details, right Lyle? Please say no. But yeah. That chip on the shoulder is the size of Gibraltar.
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Yeah. He had a bad season, Lyle. I get it. So have other good QB's who are good enough to start in this league. I'm not gonna start comparing Colin to anyone in particular, but you know as well as I do that even good, proven QB's go through rough spots. But whatever. I'm tiring of having to deny shit I haven't said.
So you're saying that he should be given another chance? A chance
SOME players don't ever get? I want him signed IMMEDIATELY, I want him STARTING, and I want to see ESPN cover it 24/7, and I want to see the NFL AND ESPN's ratings nosedive! I want them to get what THEY want which is the complete end of professional football. It'll be boycotts, it'll be apathy, it'll be CTE, it'll be a coming player strike.....I WELCOME IT and I used to live for playing football and watching football, now I do not give 1 single shit about it.
Now you're losing it, Lyle. Sign of not having anything new to say.... so you go off the deep end, throw up your hands in desperation.... and close your eyes and ears to anything else. Then go into a nonsensical rant. Cool. By the way, are you sure the NFL and ESPN ratings would nosedive? Just sayin'
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I fucking GAVE you other reasons why he's being blackballed as well..... but you just stored that information where the sun don't shine.
So tell me....... why should I bother continuing the argument when you selectively read to suit your pleasure?
The other reason was that the owners are cowardly, all 32 of them. So evidence of that or just an accusation?
You don't have to argue at all with me, that is completely up to you.
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Well... if you were 3-16 in your last starts as QB, and those were YOUR ONLY starts in the NFL, I'd tell you to go take a hike. However, if you had been a proven good QB and had led your team to the Super Bowl at some point, I'd be open to giving you a break. How's that for an answer? Not good enough? Tough shit.
That's a fine answer, why are you being so hostile when all I am doing is asking questions and also providing my view of things? Does my view, my opinion, piss you off that badly?
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See: "Selective Reading" above. As in........ QUIT FUCKING DOING IT.
Sorry racist AND COWARDLY.....because that makes a gigantic difference
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Touched a nerve, huh? You see, without being insulting or condescending, I told you in few words that I think you group too many people together because of your own disdain for certain beliefs. It's wrong, it's unfair, it's shortsighted... and the fact is you know it. Hence the "thank you", I guess. Well, what can I say. You're welcome.
Alright, you are certainly free to have that opinion and spread it far and wide. I don't much mind.
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I'll take "somebody apathetic to the struggles of others" for $500, Alex. Yes. That would be an apt description when it comes to black people with an honest beef. Not black people in general. I don't think in those terms. Just those who have been wrongfully discriminated, shot, beaten, fired, etc, etc, etc. Individual cases, Lyle. Individual cases. Racial profiling. Pulling over black doctors or lawyers just because they're black. Shit like that. Don't have to go into details, right Lyle? Please say no. But yeah. That chip on the shoulder is the size of Gibraltar.
Well if that is how you think of me then I guess that is just how you're going to think of me and I'll just let it be that way.
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Now you're losing it, Lyle. Sign of not having anything new to say.... so you go off the deep end, throw up your hands in desperation.... and close your eyes and ears to anything else. Then go into a nonsensical rant. Cool. By the way, are you sure the NFL and ESPN ratings would nosedive? Just sayin'
Football isn't football anymore it's a stage to declare your politics ONLY if you have "the right" politics. You can't hit a "defenseless player" anymore, you can't hit in the head anymore, you can barely play the game properly within the rules and then you want to shit on the nation which hosts and houses the biggest/best football league in the world? Well ok then. The ratings ARE dying already Tito it's not because Kaepernick hasn't been signed it's because fans of the game (black brown red white etc) want to escape from the world of politics and current events they want to lose themselves in a game just for a little while, but I guess that just isn't allowed anymore, EVERYTHING is political now and people are not having fun watching ESPN or the NFL anymore because they feel shamed. They feel shamed by players (multi-million dollar players!) they feel shamed for saying or not saying something, they feel shamed for what their own politics are or are not.....why subject yourself to that?
You think the average Cop doesn't enjoy football? Not the Krazy Killa Kopz that we ALL know are out there HUNTING young minorities to shoot and shake down because ooooh what fun that is! No, the average guy who is just trying to do the job, maybe he's a Black cop, maybe he's a Hispanic cop, maybe he's an Asian cop maybe he comes from an era and a neighborhood where he grew up looking up to respecting cops and believing he could make a difference not in the world, but in a community, maybe to the world of a youngster....think THAT guy wants to go home or go to a bar, watch the game and see this?
http://media.tmz.com/2016/09/01/0901...tty-zoom-3.jpg
Do you think that makes him happy? Does it make him really want to get out there and feel pride for his community and get to know the people at a game or tailgate? Or do you think it makes him want to just shut himself off from that?
There's a lot of things I think could help this nation heal some divides which have been stoked up these recent years, but apparently that is not worthy of discussion it's Colin Kaepernick needs to be signed or else_____. That'll heal this country? That'll stop racism? That'll stop "rogue cops"? That'll stop violence? How about the nation coming together, leaving politics at the turnstile and just watching a fucking game and being allowed to enjoy themselves? Nah, I suppose that just won't be enough.
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El Kabong
Now @
TitoFan don't go trying to think my tone is that of an angry rabid gorilla...I'm completely calm, frustrated maybe but calm. Other than that I'm asking for you to clarify your position on just what box you're wanting to fit me in to....I would like to hope you don't think of me as racist but then again the accusations are tossed around with such ease these days I can't be certain.
Think about what it takes to be called a "White Supremacist" these days or a "Nazi".....it doesn't take much, fucking Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew and he's been called a "Nazi" soooo I'm just trying to ask questions which get you to explain further what you actually mean, and where you think I fit on your whatever...board of kinds of people
I only now saw this, so I'll address it.
No boxes, Lyle. I'm not trying to fit you into any box. In the last post I said you were apathetic toward those with some sort of struggle, because of the choices you gave me, that was the one I saw as being the closest. I've never accused you of being racist, because I don't believe you are. Any more than I'm not racist either.
But you continue to focus on those who do race problems a disservice. You bring up cases like Schilling.... now you mention Shapiro.... YES.... there are extreme cases of people wanting to rush and put a label on everybody. Hell.... I've said some things that would probably get me labeled a racist myself. For instance, I dislike the term "African-American". I use the word "black". That's what I grew up with..... that's what I'll continue using. Some would call me racist. I'm not. I'm just against ridiculousness, no matter where it comes from.
Sometimes I don't think you get me. I don't like excesses of any kind. And I'm particularly frustrated at those blacks you just lay back and grin and say..... "yeah... racism, baby. Just give me everything I want, 'cause you know...... racism." All they do is destroy what is honestly a real issue. What do you think, that just because the government demands certain percentages of blacks, women, and just plain minorities to be part of organizational structures.... that that just makes everything ok? No. We feel the same about quotas. We hate them. But for different reasons. Racism will always exist, because ignorance will always exist. Maybe you're college educated and open-minded about a lot of things. But you have to know there's lots of pockets of backward, ignorant, totally racist people who'd sooner run over a black person than to try to get to know them.
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Now @
TitoFan don't go trying to think my tone is that of an angry rabid gorilla...I'm completely calm, frustrated maybe but calm. Other than that I'm asking for you to clarify your position on just what box you're wanting to fit me in to....I would like to hope you don't think of me as racist but then again the accusations are tossed around with such ease these days I can't be certain.
Think about what it takes to be called a "White Supremacist" these days or a "Nazi".....it doesn't take much, fucking Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew and he's been called a "Nazi" soooo I'm just trying to ask questions which get you to explain further what you actually mean, and where you think I fit on your whatever...board of kinds of people
I only now saw this, so I'll address it.
No boxes, Lyle. I'm not trying to fit you into any box. In the last post I said you were apathetic toward those with some sort of struggle, because of the choices you gave me, that was the one I saw as being the closest. I've never accused you of being racist, because I don't believe you are. Any more than I'm not racist either.
But you continue to focus on those who do race problems a disservice. You bring up cases like Schilling.... now you mention Shapiro.... YES.... there are extreme cases of people wanting to rush and put a label on everybody. Hell.... I've said some things that would probably get me labeled a racist myself. For instance, I dislike the term "African-American". I use the word "black". That's what I grew up with..... that's what I'll continue using. Some would call me racist. I'm not. I'm just against ridiculousness, no matter where it comes from.
Sometimes I don't think you get me. I don't like excesses of any kind. And I'm particularly frustrated at those blacks you just lay back and grin and say..... "yeah... racism, baby. Just give me everything I want, 'cause you know...... racism." All they do is destroy what is honestly a real issue. What do you think, that just because the government demands certain percentages of blacks, women, and just plain minorities to be part of organizational structures.... that that just makes everything ok? No. We feel the same about quotas. We hate them. But for different reasons.
Racism will always exist, because ignorance will always exist. Maybe you're college educated and open-minded about a lot of things. But you have to know there's lots of pockets of backward, ignorant, totally racist people who'd sooner run over a black person than to try to get to know them.
THE WORD RACISM IS A CROCK OF SHIT. racism means you dont like something. we are all allowed to not like whatever we want to not like. if someone doesnt like Armenians I would not call it racism. If someone doesnt like Chinese, I wouldnt call it racism. Fuck that. You can dislike or hate what you want. Its not ignorant to dislike or hate, it is your RIGHT.
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brocktonblockbust
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Now @
TitoFan don't go trying to think my tone is that of an angry rabid gorilla...I'm completely calm, frustrated maybe but calm. Other than that I'm asking for you to clarify your position on just what box you're wanting to fit me in to....I would like to hope you don't think of me as racist but then again the accusations are tossed around with such ease these days I can't be certain.
Think about what it takes to be called a "White Supremacist" these days or a "Nazi".....it doesn't take much, fucking Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew and he's been called a "Nazi" soooo I'm just trying to ask questions which get you to explain further what you actually mean, and where you think I fit on your whatever...board of kinds of people
I only now saw this, so I'll address it.
No boxes, Lyle. I'm not trying to fit you into any box. In the last post I said you were apathetic toward those with some sort of struggle, because of the choices you gave me, that was the one I saw as being the closest. I've never accused you of being racist, because I don't believe you are. Any more than I'm not racist either.
But you continue to focus on those who do race problems a disservice. You bring up cases like Schilling.... now you mention Shapiro.... YES.... there are extreme cases of people wanting to rush and put a label on everybody. Hell.... I've said some things that would probably get me labeled a racist myself. For instance, I dislike the term "African-American". I use the word "black". That's what I grew up with..... that's what I'll continue using. Some would call me racist. I'm not. I'm just against ridiculousness, no matter where it comes from.
Sometimes I don't think you get me. I don't like excesses of any kind. And I'm particularly frustrated at those blacks you just lay back and grin and say..... "yeah... racism, baby. Just give me everything I want, 'cause you know...... racism." All they do is destroy what is honestly a real issue. What do you think, that just because the government demands certain percentages of blacks, women, and just plain minorities to be part of organizational structures.... that that just makes everything ok? No. We feel the same about quotas. We hate them. But for different reasons.
Racism will always exist, because ignorance will always exist. Maybe you're college educated and open-minded about a lot of things. But you have to know there's lots of pockets of backward, ignorant, totally racist people who'd sooner run over a black person than to try to get to know them.
THE WORD RACISM IS A CROCK OF SHIT. racism means you dont like something. we are all allowed to not like whatever we want to not like. if someone doesnt like Armenians I would not call it racism. If someone doesnt like Chinese, I wouldnt call it racism. Fuck that. You can dislike or hate what you want. Its not ignorant to dislike or hate, it is your RIGHT.
No it doesn't. It means you deem some races to be something you can grade as inferior or superior. It means you think that not all races are deserving of equal respect. It means that though you are an ignorant blow hard ( or more than likely just like playing the part) that has nothing to do with the fact that you are white (Armenian heritage as classified by Franz Boas in the American courts) or Caucasian ( as accepted by most people), that is not why you often act like a dick.
It may be your right to dislike or hate certain races ,but it is still ignorant because it ignores reality.
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I called Merriam-Webster saying that one of our forum members said that the word "racism" is a crock of shit, and that racism means "you don't like something", but after the laughter died down, they said some unflattering things about said member and sent me this:
Definition of racism
1 :a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 a :a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b :a political or social system founded on racism
3 :racial prejudice or discrimination
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]Every human being has the right to deem or opine that certain people or certain races or certain animals or certain vegetables or certain planets or certain trees are better than other animals or plants or trees or vegetables or people are races. You cannot remove the right of Someone to differentiate between things as he or she sees fit. You people are nuts. But keep trying to label
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NFL Ratings Week 2: Second-Straight Low For CBS
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2017...ship-week-two/
Anthem protests led poll of reasons viewers tuned out
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...uned-nfl-games
The average person watches football to escape the everyday struggles...making football political is killing the sport, making sports political is killing ESPN
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And like clockwork....FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR left NY Times fans the flames of contact sports ESPECIALLY FOOTBALL being bad
Aaron Hernandez Found to Have Severe C.T.E.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/s...cte-brain.html
This is how football dies
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Thursday night, ready for kickoff!!!!!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKSbT44UMAEjEtV.jpg
Are ya ready for some FOOT-BALL
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Donald Trump has exposed the NFL for what they are a bunch of cowards to be bending there will need to be bending their traditions to accommodate the whack-job Marxist thugs called black lives matter
