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Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
Let me ask you folks a question,
Say for example, in a hypothetical fight, that one puncher throws 30 punches but lands 8 but comes forward more than the other fighter; and the other fighter lands throws 15 punches but lands 8.
Let us further for the sake of argument say that the first fighter throws 20 of those 30 punches with jabs, with the other 10 being "power punches"- which is anything else other than a jab, apparently- and the second fighter lands 6 of his 8 connected punches are power punches, and out of the 6, 5 of them were counter-punches.
How do you score the round? Because this is critical to why some would give GGG the fight in that the scenario of the first fighter.
Sure, GGG threw more; but his connect percentage was not that of someone who reflected the skill to win a fight.
There is a reason why after a knockdown a fighter gets deducted a point. Sure, there have been those weird 9-8 rounds, but typically in a standard fight a guy who scores a knockdown, REGARDLESS OF HOW EFFECTIVE HE WAS AT THE MARGINS DURING THAT ROUND, gets a 10-8 round.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
GGG was landing the more effective and point scoring punches throughout the fight.
GGG was initiating the fight and had Canelo on the ropes so it looked like he was in control of the fight.
GGG did miss a lot and allowed Canelo time to rest.
Canelo was firing in bursts and many not landing.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
Canelo was countering on the ropes.
Canelo was never hurt and made the better eye catching shots..
How many times has Floyd been pushed to the ropes and countered of it?...all his career!!!
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Canelo had no fear in him whatsoever..he was calm and picked his shots.
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You missed Canelo being bossed on the ropes, Canelo gulping for air because he was tired and running around doing nothing to avoid the pressure then.
Golovkin just piled on the points to win the fight.
At least Golovkin has his belts and can go home content that he fought a good fight.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
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imp
Canelo had no fear in him whatsoever..he was calm and picked his shots.
I saw GGG stunned into a complete stop for the first time EVER. Somewhere in Round 10 or 11. Gonna have to rewatch. But, Canelo hit him with something fierce and instead of GGG beckoning him to come on, he stubbled for a second and put his guard up. lololol....
These are GGGs last fights. I am seeing the wear and tear on his hand and eye coordination. I think, for his health's sake, GGG either takes a good LONG BREAK ala Floyd OR he retires after another 2 or maybe three fights. Rematch Canelo and possibly try to set up a good fight with Ward-- just move up in weight for the sake of it.
He has proven himself, in my mind, as one of the top Middleweights of all time. I don't think anyone surpasses Roy Jr., but a conversation can be made against him being above Hagler to some respect and being a more skilled technician than B-Hop. A case can be made on then All Time PFP Middlweights of all time.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
Props should be given to Canelo for stepping up a weight class to fight the best guy in the division...
Ward has done the same.
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The fact Canelo is ginger and signed to Golden boy has made the hate strong against him!..lol
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You can't accurately gauge punches landed so your whole point is utterly mute (which punches land is purely at the discretion of the individual and proven to be incorrect/debatable on numerous occasions).
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
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imp
Props should be given to Canelo for stepping up a weight class to fight the best guy in the division...
Ward has done the same.
Canelo has been a middleweight for years and coming in at light heavy during his fights. That is why he has dominated the light middleweight division for years. The only reason he has not moved up was because his fear of Golovkin.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
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Master
GGG was landing the more effective and point scoring punches throughout the fight.
GGG was initiating the fight and had Canelo on the ropes so it looked like he was in control of the fight.
GGG did miss a lot and allowed Canelo time to rest.
Canelo was firing in bursts and many not landing.
Master George Foreman was initiating the entire fight and Ali was laying on the ropes for the whole eight rounds So based on that analysis you had George Foreman ahead right before the knockout?
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If GGG fought Floyd like Canelo he would lose a good UD!
And we all know it. If Floyd fought GGG and he did slightly a better job at slipping punches the way Canelo did, with the same punch stats, which Floyd can do, then GGG would have lost this fight by a very WIDE UD.
We all know it. Quit the emotionalism. GGG lost this fight, but not as wide as Adalaide Byrd, but certainly he lost this fight.
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Master
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imp
Props should be given to Canelo for stepping up a weight class to fight the best guy in the division...
Ward has done the same.
Canelo has been a middleweight for years and coming in at light heavy during his fights. That is why he has dominated the light middleweight division for years. The only reason he has not moved up was because his fear of Golovkin.
Canelo did not wait for GGG to leave the divison like GGG waited for Ward to move up.
You can't have it both ways.
There's many factors that play into your hate of Canelo and this so called invincibility of GGG.
We all know that Floyd outboxed Canelo for 12 rounds and made it look easy.
The fact that Canelo came up in weight and fought the best at 160 with no issues on a draw, will only make it look even better for old man Floyd..that pisses you off.
Leave Floyd out of this and focus on what Canelo done in the ring.
Everyone said he was getting knocked out, everyone was saying he won't go the distance..he did both and landed the bigger shots.
The judge should be banned for life but that does not change the result.
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Re: If GGG fought Floyd like Canelo he would lose a good UD!
This was not a landslide win.
Canelo just edged it, purely on boxing skills and making GGG miss and look stupid.
GGG is very beatable..expect another rematch fight with monroe to make everyone scared again!
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Re: If GGG fought Floyd like Canelo he would lose a good UD!
You are stupid if you think a 40 year old, retired, former featherweight who has never fought at the weight can live Golovkin.
The end.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
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imp
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Master
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imp
Props should be given to Canelo for stepping up a weight class to fight the best guy in the division...
Ward has done the same.
Canelo has been a middleweight for years and coming in at light heavy during his fights. That is why he has dominated the light middleweight division for years. The only reason he has not moved up was because his fear of Golovkin.
Canelo did not wait for GGG to leave the divison like GGG waited for Ward to move up.
You can't have it both ways.
There's many factors that play into your hate of Canelo and this so called invincibility of GGG.
We all know that Floyd outboxed Canelo for 12 rounds and made it look easy.
The fact that Canelo came up in weight and fought the best at 160 with no issues on a draw, will only make it look even better for old man Floyd..that pisses you off.
Leave Floyd out of this and focus on what Canelo done in the ring.
Everyone said he was getting knocked out, everyone was saying he won't go the distance..he did both and landed the bigger shots.
The judge should be banned for life but that does not change the result.
You are the only one mixing Floyd into this. He is irrelevant.
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Master
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Master
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imp
Props should be given to Canelo for stepping up a weight class to fight the best guy in the division...
Ward has done the same.
Canelo has been a middleweight for years and coming in at light heavy during his fights. That is why he has dominated the light middleweight division for years. The only reason he has not moved up was because his fear of Golovkin.
Canelo did not wait for GGG to leave the divison like GGG waited for Ward to move up.
You can't have it both ways.
There's many factors that play into your hate of Canelo and this so called invincibility of GGG.
We all know that Floyd outboxed Canelo for 12 rounds and made it look easy.
The fact that Canelo came up in weight and fought the best at 160 with no issues on a draw, will only make it look even better for old man Floyd..that pisses you off.
Leave Floyd out of this and focus on what Canelo done in the ring.
Everyone said he was getting knocked out, everyone was saying he won't go the distance..he did both and landed the bigger shots.
The judge should be banned for life but that does not change the result.
You are the only one mixing Floyd into this. He is irrelevant.
He is everything...and I miss him.
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Re: If GGG fought Floyd like Canelo he would lose a good UD!
Mayweather beats GGG whatever. Seriously GGG looks good against C- fighters but when he steps up he struggles like fuck. Floyd would shut him out because unlike Canelo, Floyd doesn't gas out.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
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brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Master
GGG was landing the more effective and point scoring punches throughout the fight.
GGG was initiating the fight and had Canelo on the ropes so it looked like he was in control of the fight.
GGG did miss a lot and allowed Canelo time to rest.
Canelo was firing in bursts and many not landing.
Master George Foreman was initiating the entire fight and Ali was laying on the ropes for the whole eight rounds So based on that analysis you had George Foreman ahead right before the knockout?
lol
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Ali, Whitaker and Floyd won rounds without landing shots!
Ali and Whitaker in particular have won rounds just by being a better mover and shaker! Another guy who won rounds by just being a better move and shaker was Miguel "Happy" Lora.
You guys just need to stop. Stop this GGG wave riding. He does not deserve to win rounds off-top like Floyd did. And I hated when Floyd did it.
Canelo eaked out a win. In my estimation.
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Master
GGG was landing the more effective and point scoring punches throughout the fight.
GGG was initiating the fight and had Canelo on the ropes so it looked like he was in control of the fight.
GGG did miss a lot and allowed Canelo time to rest.
Canelo was firing in bursts and many not landing.
Master George Foreman was initiating the entire fight and Ali was laying on the ropes for the whole eight rounds So based on that analysis you had George Foreman ahead right before the knockout?
Big difference was that Canelo was throwing very little in those exchanges. He was coming up short a lot on those counters and like Master said, GGG was doing all the work. Canelo fights in spurts and it is his undoing, he loses a lot of rounds because he cannot sustain the action. It's a bit like with Calzaghe/Hopkins, like it or not Calzaghe was outworking his opponent. Same here. 50 more punches landed for GGG, busier and doing his thing on the ropes while Canelo takes a breather.
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Quality over quantity I believe. I never put much stock into counting punches to decide who is actually having more of an effect. They tried that it in the amateurs and it doesn't tend to work out well either.
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Re: If GGG fought Floyd like Canelo he would lose a good UD!
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Master
You are stupid if you think a 40 year old, retired, former featherweight who has never fought at the weight can live Golovkin.
The end.
Golovkin had fits trying to land on a Mexican, how's he going to catch one of the best defensive fighters of all time? He'd be hitting air the whole night night and getting caught with counters. It'd be an easy decision win.
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Re: If GGG fought Floyd like Canelo he would lose a good UD!
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GaMo
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Master
You are stupid if you think a 40 year old, retired, former featherweight who has never fought at the weight can live Golovkin.
The end.
Golovkin had fits trying to land on a Mexican, how's he going to catch one of the best defensive fighters of all time? He'd be hitting air the whole night night and getting caught with counters. It'd be an easy decision win.
The answer was in question 40 year old, retired, former featherweight who has never fought at the weight .
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The gist of this post is quality over quantity right? Quantity taken care of, Golovkin threw and landed more punches, no need for debate.
Quality, that's the one Canelo supporters are leaning on isn't it. 'He threw the better more effective punches'.
Did he? I guess this depends on definition. Do you define quality punches on how pretty they look through your TV screen, how much they catch your eye, by how loudly the crowd go oooohhhhhh? Or do you define them by the effect it has on the opponent and the effect it has on the overall direction of the fight?
Now, if you're easily pleased and like pretty things and take your prompt from the crowd oooohing and ahhhhhing sure, I get that you looked at what Canelo did and thought wow, this guy is doing great. But did Canelo's apparent superior quality punching have any effect on Golovkin? Did it stop him in his tracks, force him to change tack, retreat, at all. Did Canelo's punches have a sustained effect on the general direction of the fight? No, the answer is no. He scored points with his flash fighting, of course he did and rightly so. But in the grand scheme of things, his punches changed nothing
Did Golovkin land the better quality punches? Again, depends on your definition. Did Golovkin's punching have any effect on Canelo, stop him in his tracks, force him to change tack, retreat? Did Golovkin's punches dictate the direction of the fight? Yes, the answer is yes to all those things. The reason for Canelo's rapid retreat after a few rounds, the reason he was being bullied to the ropes at will, the reason he was gulping in air through the middle rounds and taking longer and longer to answer between rounds when asked if he was OK? simple, Golovkin hit him hard and often with with effective quality punches.
But yeah if the crowd go Whoooohhhh. Must be winning.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
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brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Master
GGG was landing the more effective and point scoring punches throughout the fight.
GGG was initiating the fight and had Canelo on the ropes so it looked like he was in control of the fight.
GGG did miss a lot and allowed Canelo time to rest.
Canelo was firing in bursts and many not landing.
Master George Foreman was initiating the entire fight and Ali was laying on the ropes for the whole eight rounds So based on that analysis you had George Foreman ahead right before the knockout?
Of course he did. In his eyes all you need to do is come forward to win a round, it doesn't matter about the punches :rolleyes: he probably had that Japanese guy beating Cotto last time out.
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Re: Hypothetical Round scoring scenario! Punches landed vs Thrown.
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Master
GGG was landing the more effective and point scoring punches throughout the fight.
GGG was initiating the fight and had Canelo on the ropes so it looked like he was in control of the fight.
GGG did miss a lot and allowed Canelo time to rest.
Canelo was firing in bursts and many not landing.
Master George Foreman was initiating the entire fight and Ali was laying on the ropes for the whole eight rounds So based on that analysis you had George Foreman ahead right before the knockout?
I think you know , as I'm sure you've seen the Foreman /Ali fight many times, that this rope a dope thing is a bit misleading. I re-watched it recently and was surprised at just how much leather Ali threw and connected with. Yeah, he went on the ropes a bit and took a lot on his arms, but he connected with some good shots and I think this tired Foreman out just as much as the rope a dope myth.
Nobody wins rounds without throwing punches , BUT Ali and Floyd made it SEEM like they did. look carefully and it's a different story.
