Who wins?
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If Ortiz wins (which he might) that completely kills the Wilder vs AJ fight.
AJ would never lose to Ortiz which shows you that he is better than Wilder. Levels. :)
I'm not sold on Joshua really. He had a really difficult time with a very, very old Wlad. He has stamina problems IMO. I think Wilder has an awkwardness that can hurt Joshua. Wilder will beat Ortiz.
Top fight. Be interesting to see how it's received in terms of numbers. Ortiz is the better technician but Wilder has youth, mobility, windmill hands all on his side. Wilder points I reckon.
the fights ive seen Ortiz in are Jennings, Thompson, scott and allen
and he looked good against Jennings but I really don't think he offers that much against wilder
He's old and slow (Ortiz) but he's got good boxing skills and heavy hands. It's a dangerous fight for Wilder.
If Ortiz can step it up in this fight, he for sure has the skills to win it. If not, wilder takes it pretty easily. I guess and Ortiz vs AJ match isn't bad.
Wilder was getting outboxed in his last Fight until his power shots came into play.
I still think that this fight doesn't happen....but I'm glad it is signed.
I think Ortiz can win and win by KO BUT I worry about him being on PEDs for the big fights....Wilder could win by KO but he's very wild.
I also worry about him taking roids he has in the past and this is the fight of his life. I do believe the fight will happen, but he could pop for PEDs after.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
38 is bullsh-t but Ortiz still KOs Wilder.
Thought you were on about Wilders transparent win record not Ortiz age at first ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Really a F about time heavyweight showdown, love it! Not fully convinced of eithers chin but think Ortiz has the composure and hands to leave Wilder flailing all over the ring. Regardless really is one that you will have to watch standing up.
Will this be ppv in the USA?
No. Wilder is not popular in the US. Maybe in Alabama specifically where he is from but not the US as a wholeQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
He just hasn't set himself up to get that exposure....not sure who his manager is but fucking get Floyd Mayweather Jr on the phone STAT get Wilder some press! Get some eyes on him....he's an undefeated power punching heavyweight and an American one at that...unreal. But part of the blame has to be his opponents, he has Stiverne, Arreola, and :dontknow: on his record.....Americans can be cynical when it comes to this, we've seen Jeff Lacy, we've seen Gerry Cooney, we've seen Michael Grant, we've seen guys get built up and built up and built up only to wither once the spotlight hits them.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherNo. Wilder is not popular in the US. Maybe in Alabama specifically where he is from but not the US as a wholeQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
The heavyweight division is still recovering from wlad in the us.
The only thing Wlad did to heavyweights in the US was beat them all....perhaps you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Ya but his fights put everyone to sleep punch, clinch, punch, clinch. He did have a beautiful jab but for the passive boxing fan he did not draw anyone into boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThe only thing Wlad did to heavyweights in the US was beat them all....perhaps you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
The English have been bumming the fuck out of AJ since he turned pro, and lets be honest until Klit AJ had fought absolutely no one of note, his biggest fight was a grudge match with a pillow fisted unknown (getting beat by AJ was the best thing to happen to Whytes career)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe just hasn't set himself up to get that exposure....not sure who his manager is but fucking get Floyd Mayweather Jr on the phone STAT get Wilder some press! Get some eyes on him....he's an undefeated power punching heavyweight and an American one at that...unreal. But part of the blame has to be his opponents, he has Stiverne, Arreola, and :dontknow: on his record.....Americans can be cynical when it comes to this, we've seen Jeff Lacy, we've seen Gerry Cooney, we've seen Michael Grant, we've seen guys get built up and built up and built up only to wither once the spotlight hits them.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherNo. Wilder is not popular in the US. Maybe in Alabama specifically where he is from but not the US as a wholeQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
AJ had the luxury of Sky, they backed him from the off and they build his media profile to the point that it was ludicrous, when you have Sky on your side over here you have millions of fans almost immediately, as soon as you get beat they lose interest.
talking of the Sky build up, the casual fan in the UK would have you believe that Linares is up there with the P4P's and that is only because he KO's matchrooms fighters for fun.
I'm not knocking AJ here, I'm just stating how different it is over here.
Just be grateful that DDD is with BoxNation and Frank Warren otherwise he would be fucking global already
I'm glad we aren't so accepting of mediocrity here. We get great fights because of it. Wilder wants to be popular, make the right fights. This is a start. AJ can sail along for free but Wilder will have to work and that's how it should be. Speaking of, is AJ planning to fight someone good after he gets done with Pulev? I remember talk from AJs side that the Wilder fight needs to marinate 💩Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe just hasn't set himself up to get that exposure....not sure who his manager is but fucking get Floyd Mayweather Jr on the phone STAT get Wilder some press! Get some eyes on him....he's an undefeated power punching heavyweight and an American one at that...unreal. But part of the blame has to be his opponents, he has Stiverne, Arreola, and :dontknow: on his record.....Americans can be cynical when it comes to this, we've seen Jeff Lacy, we've seen Gerry Cooney, we've seen Michael Grant, we've seen guys get built up and built up and built up only to wither once the spotlight hits them.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherNo. Wilder is not popular in the US. Maybe in Alabama specifically where he is from but not the US as a wholeQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think AJ had to fight his mandatories which Pulev was one and I think Ortiz was the other so they both will be out of the way.
To each their own. Wlad was a great boxer...not all boxers have action packed bouts in terms of what the average fan is wanting to see (which is typically Rock'em Sock'em Robots blood and guts toughman style fights which takes a great determination from both fighters and a collective LACK of true boxing skill).Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusYa but his fights put everyone to sleep punch, clinch, punch, clinch. He did have a beautiful jab but for the passive boxing fan he did not draw anyone into boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThe only thing Wlad did to heavyweights in the US was beat them all....perhaps you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Again, fight Pulev, fight Wilder, he would have the same number of belts. So he could really do whatever he wanted. They said quite clearly they wanted the Wilder fight to marinate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Let's hope we get the winners clash next. Parker might be an easier fight to make for AJs side before tackling the Wilder/ Ortiz winner tho.
I think Haye v Bellew will get the winner Parker v Hughie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Parker is alright-ish the rest of that lot are crap thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Haye v Bellew will get the winner Parker v Hughie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
You could be right. I think the winner would probably gain a rating.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Haye v Bellew will get the winner Parker v Hughie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Parker seems like a decent guy but I don't really rate him as a fighter. I hope he can make a big statement against Fury but I have a feeling he'll end up scrapping a close decision win. Couldn't give a fuck about Haye or Bellew so I won't comment. I like Wilder and AJ though so the top three are all likeable guys and undefeated belt holders, the question is who will Parker sell himself (and his title) to? My guess is it'll be AJ early next year.
The bad news is Stiverne is fighting Breazeale on the undercard and his mandatory spot remains should he prevail so he again is forced on winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Another big fight this year to look forward to. I hope it isn’t soured by controversy like other big fights have been because I see this fight going 12. I expect Deontay to get a decision but if it’s a not a deserved decision his rep will suffer and he won’t get any credit for beating a dangerous fighter like Ortiz.
A few years ago I would have picked Ortiz in this fight but his time has passed now. He is inactive at this stage in his career and his performances have dipped. I think the opportunities come too late although he will still be a real threat and toughest challenge of Deontays career so far. The Alabama fighter needs to use his height and reach, play it safe and keep it long. A distance fight will surely go his way. A good jab will keep the older, shorter and slower opponent at bay. 118-110
Ortiz looks like he can take a punch but he's never actually been in with a real puncher so we don't know if he can absorb what Wilder can dish out.
Zimmer frame or not Ortiz is a million times better than anyone Wilder has faced, he hasn't looked great in his last couple but that was against survivors, and like virtually all Cubans they're never in a hurry to entertain.
Has Wilder even seen a lefty? They'll probably have to stop the fight after 60 seconds to explain it to him as he'll be complaining about distorted vision (Audley doesn't count, he was on the floor through fear before ever forming a stance).
The Atomic Windmill dodged a bullet with Povetkin not this time. He's been an accident waiting to happen against any highly experienced well-educated puncher.
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I would have expected Boxnation to get this fight but then it makes sense for Sky to throw their money at it to further build the clash with AJ.
I'm not Wilders biggest fan but I think he wins this, I can't help but think the time has passed for Ortiz.
I'd heard loads of positive stuff about Ortiz but only really took notice when Matchroom signed him. I have to say I've been pretty underwhelmed. He looks old, cumbersome and unfit.
And I'm not a big fan of Wilder. I just think that for a guy with his record and standing in the division, he's pretty poor. However, credit to Wilder if he beats Ortiz as regardless of what I think, Ortiz is classed as a top end fighter.
People who know me know I am not a tub thumping Brit that gets carried away with the slightest bit of success.
But I do believe Joshua would knock Wilder out. Too big, strong and busy.
Porter vs Granados on the undercard. That's a fun fight.
So Fury vs Parker is PPV while this is just standard Sky Sports :confused: it’s all so inconsistent but it’s another heavyweight title fight between two unbeaten fighters, difference is these two guys can actually punch
You was bigging up the Fury v Parker fight saying "it's two young undefeated heavyweights" and that it was well worth the £15Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
What's changed?
Edit: I called you a troll cuz I misread your post, I do still think you have troll like qualities but more like a cuddlely furry baby troll rather than one of those big gruffly bastards that live under bridges
Fury vs Parker was £10 ;) I think this fight (Wilder vs Ortiz) is worth £10. I don’t subscribe to Sky Sports all year so I usually end up buying a day or week pass when I need it (In other words I brought Wilder vs Washington for £8)
Fury v Parker went up to 15 quid if you bought it on the night, it was only a tenner if you bought it before handQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo