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M.I.A - Keith Thurman
Elbow injury must be fixed now..ffs.
The 147 division is waiting for someone to completely take it over..Floyd is retired and Manny is a part time fighter.
We all know Bob arum will be cherry picking fighters for Crawford (only in his stable) for the next two years so who else is going to make this happen.
I used to like Garcia but he has no excuse for not making the Porter fight..at least Porter wants to fight the best.
Spence?
A new improved Khan? (Don't laugh)
Who needs to make more noise and take this divison by the horns?!
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Re: M.I.A - Keith Thurman
Thurman is in rehabilitation from a serious and career threatening injury. He is taking his time to fight the right opponent.
Once he has chosen them he will be the first to let you know. :)
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Thurman is reported to be fighting in early 2018
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Master
Thurman is in rehabilitation from a serious and career threatening injury. He is taking his time to fight the right opponent.
Once he has chosen them he will be the first to let you know. :)
What was the injury? I don't know if I can remember that?
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Re: M.I.A - Keith Thurman
He fought this year? He only fought once last year too but seeing as he beat Porter and Garcia in those two fights I’ll let him off. I don’t mind fighters who skip the padding and fight one real fight per year.
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He fought this year? He only fought once last year too but seeing as he beat Porter and Garcia in those two fights I’ll let him off. I don’t mind fighters who skip the padding and fight one real fight per year.
HA
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He fought this year? He only fought once last year too but seeing as he beat Porter and Garcia in those two fights I’ll let him off. I don’t mind fighters who skip the padding and fight one real fight per year.
That shows what the rest of the Boxers are like. He did fight 2 big fights and you've made a very fair point.
But there is no reason why these guys shouldn't be fighting at least twice maybe 3 times a year at the top end.
Less fights means less big fights get made. If they fought more, they would have to fight each other.
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It has been annoying how inactive he is. Once a year is completely unacceptable for any fighter other than one that is at the tail end of their career. If you are the supposed top fighter in the weight class, you should be fighting at least 3 times a year.
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I completely disagree with @powerpuncher it’s better to fight the best once a year than fight crap three times per year. I’d rather see AJ fight once next year if that fights against Wilder than see him beat three bums at home (its pointless) Spence is only going to fight once this year as is Brook, Horn, Pacquiao and Garcia so what the fuck is everyone crying about!? He’s fought as much as anyone else in the top five this year.
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Thurman was not injured. Anyone saying that is either misinformed or intentionally spreading misinformation. There was no injury.
He had bone spurs removed. Bone spurs he’s had for years. He chose, yes getting bone spurs removed is completely elective, the week before the Brook/Spence fight. You don’t need to be a genius to figure that one out.
8 months for bone spurs is preposterous.
He has one more fight the fans will allow him before they demand the fight Spence has been calling for for years.
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I like a fighting champ. Sure not all will be big mega fights but as long as a guy has an annual showdown, or more, no harm in a non title defense or a lower contender face off. With few exceptions every fight cannot be a massive bout and I wonder exactly how many "top stars" are even up to that consistency today. Injuries happen, fans get big ticket and ppv weary as do the networks and filler is necessary to build those very same mega fights and expose fighters. Shoot the most I've seen Thurman hurt recently was against those lower level guys in Soto Karass and Collazo with respects to a Garcia or Porter. As long as it's not a habit or pattern the sport needs cycles and hey we hope for upsets so bring in the journeyman on a hot streak for me. Part of me thinks this delay is as much about promotion as it is Thurman. They just cannot have it.
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MIA - Spence
Exactly! Only two fighters in the top ten will have fought more than once this year so I don’t know what everyone is so upset about :confused:
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MIA - Spence
But Spence is trying to get fights. That’s the difference. Most won’t even negotiate with him. But he’s found someone that will at least negotiate in Peterson.
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I completely disagree with @
powerpuncher it’s better to fight the best once a year than fight crap three times per year. I’d rather see AJ fight once next year if that fights against Wilder than see him beat three bums at home (its pointless) Spence is only going to fight once this year as is Brook, Horn, Pacquiao and Garcia so what the fuck is everyone crying about!? He’s fought as much as anyone else in the top five this year.
Brook has his eye socket broken, Pacquiao is basically done, Garcia has no excuse, Horn is fighting again (he isn’t a top fighter though), Spence is trying to get fights.
If it were just this year I would be alright but last year he didn’t fight really either. I would rather somebody fight 3 pretty good fighters in a year rather than one good fighter per year. In reality, you should be taking at least one good fight a year and your other ones can be lesser opponents.
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If we’re going to lump Spence in with Thurman let’s look at the division as it relates to Spence(rankings by The Ring)
1)Thurman-Spence has called for it for years. When Thurman is willing it will happen
2)Spence-can’t fight himself
3)Porter-Porter won’t fight him
4)Garcia-Garcia won’t fight him
5)Brook-he just beat Brook and Brook shows no interest in doing it again
6)Peterson-Spence is negotiating with him currently
So Spence is trying to fight the highest rated guy that will fight him.
Thurman is what, in Nepal? Who is he trying to fight?
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@Ron Swanson who has Spence actually beaten? You talk as if he’s cleaning out the division. His last opponent had been knocked out in his fight previous, Algeri had lost two of his last three and Bundu was a Thurman leftover.
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Ron Swanson who has Spence actually beaten? You talk as if he’s cleaning out the division. His last opponent had been knocked out in his fight previous, Algeri had lost two of his last three and Bundu was a Thurman leftover.
He beat the people willing to fight him. You what, you support Thurman who has said no for years and conveniently timed his surgery for 1 week before picking up the belt that Thurman said he would fight him if he got?
I have said absolutely nothing about Spence cleaning out the division. You avoided what I said because you can’t debate what I said.
How about you go back to the post you are talking about and debate something, I’ll just hang up and listen.
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Listen Ron, your boy hasn’t been that active either this year. He’s fought once and that was against a guy who’d been KO’ed in his previous fight so Spence is hardly the most active fighter nor is he fighting the best guys out there.
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I miss the James Toney mindset where he would fight multiple times a year. I think a fighter, for the most part, stays sharpest fighting multiple times a year. The caveat to that is to throw in soft touches and only fight 1-2 big fights each year. JCC was very effective with this model, as was Duran. Not every fight has to be a top challenger, but I think it is good for a guy to get in often and display his talents. A guy like Floyd, who was fighting well above his weight, is where I would give an exception.
As for Thurman, he beat Porter and Garcia, so hard to knock him for quality of opposition. That being said, I think Spence is the class of that division, as long as someone like Porter doesn’t catch him on an off night. Porter is that guy, like Holyfield, who will give anyone a close fight, and score an upset if the opponent is absolutely razor sharp.
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GaMo
Listen Ron, your boy hasn’t been that active either this year. He’s fought once and that was against a guy who’d been KO’ed in his previous fight so Spence is hardly the most active fighter nor is he fighting the best guys out there.
You could have just said “I couldn’t”.
But I’ll address your point. He isn’t active because they won’t fight him. Oh wait, I’ve said that already, and you’ve skipped that point already.
So let’s address it in a different way, he is negotiating to fight the highest rated guy that will fight him. Oh wait, I’ve said that already, you’ve skipped that point already.
So yes, we have dulled it all the way down to he no fight me angry
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GaMo
Listen Ron, your boy hasn’t been that active either this year. He’s fought once and that was against a guy who’d been KO’ed in his previous fight so Spence is hardly the most active fighter nor is he fighting the best guys out there.
You could have just said “I couldn’t”.
But I’ll address your point. He isn’t active because they won’t fight him. Oh wait, I’ve said that already, and you’ve skipped that point already.
So let’s address it in a different way, he is negotiating to fight the highest rated guy that will fight him. Oh wait, I’ve said that already, you’ve skipped that point already.
So yes, we have dulled it all the way down to he no fight me angry
While Spence talks about fighting the best Thurman actually does it
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Listen Ron, your boy hasn’t been that active either this year. He’s fought once and that was against a guy who’d been KO’ed in his previous fight so Spence is hardly the most active fighter nor is he fighting the best guys out there.
You could have just said “I couldn’t”.
But I’ll address your point. He isn’t active because they won’t fight him. Oh wait, I’ve said that already, and you’ve skipped that point already.
So let’s address it in a different way, he is negotiating to fight the highest rated guy that will fight him. Oh wait, I’ve said that already, you’ve skipped that point already.
So yes, we have dulled it all the way down to he no fight me angry
While Spence talks about fighting the best Thurman actually does it
Try using a good argument.
Whether or not Spence is fighting a lot is not connected to whether or not Thurman should fight more.
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GaMo
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GaMo
Listen Ron, your boy hasn’t been that active either this year. He’s fought once and that was against a guy who’d been KO’ed in his previous fight so Spence is hardly the most active fighter nor is he fighting the best guys out there.
You could have just said “I couldn’t”.
But I’ll address your point. He isn’t active because they won’t fight him. Oh wait, I’ve said that already, and you’ve skipped that point already.
So let’s address it in a different way, he is negotiating to fight the highest rated guy that will fight him. Oh wait, I’ve said that already, you’ve skipped that point already.
So yes, we have dulled it all the way down to he no fight me angry
While Spence talks about fighting the best Thurman actually does it
Try using a good argument.
Whether or not Spence is fighting a lot is not connected to whether or not Thurman should fight more.
You’re trying to argue against the facts. Thurman has been in with and beaten better fighters and that’s all there is to it. They’ve both only fought once this year but Thurman beat an unbeaten fighter while Spence beat a guy who was coming off a brutal one sided defeat.
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You are trying to connect things that don’t need to be connected. Here is your type of argument.
My friend cheated on his wife by having sex with multiple other women but I only cheated on my wife with one woman therefore what I did is not bad.
Just because you think Spence have fought lesser competition and isn’t active doesn’t give Thurman some sort of free pass.
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If he’s fighting as regularly as his rivals but against better opposition (which this year he has) then he does get a pass.
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If he’s fighting as regularly as his rivals but against better opposition (which this year he has) then he does get a pass.
You think Danny Garcia is better than Brook? 😂
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GaMo
If he’s fighting as regularly as his rivals but against better opposition (which this year he has) then he does get a pass.
You think Danny Garcia is better than Brook? 😂
I know Garcia is better than Brook and Danny wasn’t damaged goods either
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If he’s fighting as regularly as his rivals but against better opposition (which this year he has) then he does get a pass.
You think Danny Garcia is better than Brook? 😂
I know Garcia is better than Brook and Danny wasn’t damaged goods either
Then you know fuck all. Just like you came here spouting about ginger pubes. I get it now. You like guys that duck fights.
For example Garcia was ordered to fight Porter quack quack quack. Back to Garcia ways. Won’t even consider fighting Spence. Never considered fighting Brook. Where as Brook beat Porter.
Anyone with an eye knew Garcia was the soft champ at 147 until Horn came along. That’s why they all called him out. He hid as long as he could, earning your respect. You like hiders. Like Thurman. Like ginger pubes hiding at Caneloweight. And judge seekers like Spence. It’s sad, but do your sad thing.
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If he’s fighting as regularly as his rivals but against better opposition (which this year he has) then he does get a pass.
You think Danny Garcia is better than Brook? 😂
I know Garcia is better than Brook and Danny wasn’t damaged goods either
Then you know fuck all. Just like you came here spouting about ginger pubes. I get it now. You like guys that duck fights.
For example Garcia was ordered to fight Porter quack quack quack. Back to Garcia ways. Won’t even consider fighting Spence. Never considered fighting Brook. Where as Brook beat Porter.
Anyone with an eye knew Garcia was the soft champ at 147 until Horn came along. That’s why they all called him out. He hid as long as he could, earning your respect. You like hiders. Like Thurman. Like ginger pubes hiding at Caneloweight. And judge seekers like Spence. It’s sad, but do your sad thing.
The only idiot here is you Ron, I’m not even a fan of Garcia. Can’t stand the guy and always root against him but there’s no question he’s achieved more than Brook and is overall the more accomplished fighter. I’m not even a fan of Thurman I just accept that he’s the best at 147. The only one here being bias is you.
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This thread could easily have been called "Danny Garcia - MIA" just saying.
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Yes, I have a bias that I favor the guys trying to make the hard fights. And bias against the guys that avoid them like the plague.
Brook was the number 1 guy according to Ring, and he brings more money than Garcia. If Garcia is better, why were ALL the other top guys looking at Garcia? The simple answer is everyone knew Garcia was the easier fight.
I’d love to hear what you think makes Garcia a better fighter. I am not talking about accomplishments at 140. I’m talking about being a better fighter. You say he’s better, tell me how.
Do this and I’ll gladly tell you all the ways Brook is a better fighter. We can compare notes
Edit-You have a few hours to think, I have to go to work
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@Ron Swanson Garcia has been in with and beaten the better fighters, Brook has beaten one good fighter in his entire career. People want to fight Garcia because they know they won’t have to travel to England to do it. Brook has spent his entire career at home beating up bums aside from the one night he scraped by Porter.
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This thread could easily have been called "Danny Garcia - MIA" just saying.
Could be said for anyone in the top five as they’ve all only fought once this year
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GaMo
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Ron Swanson Garcia has been in with and beaten the better fighters, Brook has beaten one good fighter in his entire career. People want to fight Garcia because they know they won’t have to travel to England to do it. Brook has spent his entire career at home beating up bums aside from the one night he scraped by Porter.
So you don’t want to list the ways Danny is better, I know why, you know why, everyone here knows why. It’s not a winning proposition. So you follow the Swift model and avoid.
I make no argument that Garcia has the better CV. But he’s not the better fighter. That’s why he has repeatedly turned down ordered fights.
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Ron Swanson Garcia has been in with and beaten the better fighters, Brook has beaten one good fighter in his entire career. People want to fight Garcia because they know they won’t have to travel to England to do it. Brook has spent his entire career at home beating up bums aside from the one night he scraped by Porter.
So you don’t want to list the ways Danny is better, I know why, you know why, everyone here knows why. It’s not a winning proposition. So you follow the Swift model and avoid.
I make no argument that Garcia has the better CV. But he’s not the better fighter. That’s why he has repeatedly turned down ordered fights.
Why is Brook better? Answer that then as you’ve already agreed he has an inferior CV
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I think Brook would beat Garcia. Kell is a superior welterweight, even if Garcia has fought better names they have been at the lower weight.
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Re: M.I.A - Keith Thurman
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Elbow injury must be fixed now..ffs.
The 147 division is waiting for someone to completely take it over..Floyd is retired and Manny is a part time fighter.
We all know Bob arum will be cherry picking fighters for Crawford (only in his stable) for the next two years so who else is going to make this happen.
I used to like Garcia but he has no excuse for not making the Porter fight..at least Porter wants to fight the best.
Spence?
A new improved Khan? (Don't laugh)
Who needs to make more noise and take this divison by the horns?!
I am heading down to 147 to take the title and Dominate
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I think Brock would beat Garcia..
Even Master agrees
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Re: M.I.A - Keith Thurman
Think Ron started nailing it towards the end wnen he pointed out that Danny has faced and beaten better competition, but mostly at a lower weight. I view Spence as the class of that division, but Danny has proven me wrong many times, and Thurman surprised me with his win vs Porter, so I'm not at a point where I can definitively say Spence dominates both. All of this is subjective and speculative at this point, none of it is definite or guaranteed.
In my OPINION, Brook is better/tougher than both Garcia and Thurman, but not by much, and I recognize that this is strictly my opinion. The only way we see if we are right or wrong is for all of these guys to fight each other, so instead of insulting or demeaning any of these guys, we should recognize their talent start beating the drum for these guys to settle things with a Super Six type tournament at 147.
