Josh Kelly - Best prospect in the world? (name a better one?)

I'm firmly in the don't run before you can walk club, and have experienced enough last fence falls and enough busted flushes over the years to not get carried away by anyone (basically i'm a pessimistic cunt), however, Kelly reminds me of the breathtaking superduper young talents of the past - Roy, Calzaghe, Floyd, Naz

If you don't know who he is you will soon.

Last nights fight virtuoso performance against a Mexican that looked durable on paper.

Calling out Ashley Theopane (they look deadly serious too) for his 5th fight. I'll buy the Bellew-Haye PPV if they make that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe7-myAFEBs&t=201s

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Last nights fight virtuoso performance against a Mexican that looked durable on paper.

Calling out Ashley Theopane (they look deadly serious too) for his 5th fight. I'll buy the Bellew-Haye PPV if they make that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe7-myAFEBs&t=201s

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Great performance. He seemed unworried about anything coming back and the one weakness if you want to call it that, seems to be that he is a bit laissez faire about taking body shots himself. He can dish it out, but a well timed counter to the body could undo a lot of his own good work. He plants his feet and throws with great variety and skill but the most impressive things for me were his speed out of the traps, like a greyhound with bite, and his finishing instinct, something that I am not sure you can teach, and is often missing in great Amateur/Olympic prospects.

Looks like a quality, quality prospect but early days right now. Look forward to watching this young fellas journey.

Josh Kelly is very good as I stated in my rbr on the thread you created.

Yes, Beanz, he is very much open to getting chinned with that style, however, so were all the superduper natural flair fighters. He is obviously miles away from proving himself an elite champion but there's nothing flakey or parody about the ability he is showing, it's 100% pure natural talent.

For example - compare him to that embarrassment on the Haye bill the other night. There was a man that in his own mind is Roy Jones/Bruce Lee blissfully unaware that he looks utterly useless, not fluent/natural at all and is an accident waiting to happen.

Just watched the fight he has a Calzaghe look about him.
The main difference is Kelly hits with the correct part of the glove.

The bigger legs he has can put down more power when he throws those hooks..

Hands down like that is always a risk and time will tell with better opposition if he will have to tweak his style as the fight goes into the later rounds.

So far though, he looks impressive and is enjoyable to watch.

Somebody I know up here knows a bit about him. He's mentioned him a few times. He's definitely one to watch but it's all about levels, isn't it. One minute they look like the second coming of SRR the next minute they run into a style they can't handle and they look a little exposed and everybody fancies beating them.

Have to love the talent. But I think he is building his own ceiling by abandoning fundamentals. When he meets equal talent he could be in trouble. But he's fun to watch.

He looks the goods. With 4 or less fights Sirenko or Hrgovic deserve a mention. Cordina looks good. Shimizu is one to watch. Stanionis. There are a number of prospects with around 8 - 15 fights that are also noteworthy.

His stlye is very eye catching. I'd like to see him keep his hands up more as his opposition improves.

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His stlye is very eye catching. I'd like to see him keep his hands up more as his opposition improves.

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They said the same things about Herol Graham and Roy Jones but they never changed. It is inbuilt in his style.

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His stlye is very eye catching. I'd like to see him keep his hands up more as his opposition improves.

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They said the same things about Herol Graham and Roy Jones but they never changed. It is inbuilt in his style.

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Just an observation, not everyone can be Jones. That aggression is great too, although he'll need to hone it in against better guys, he left himself open a few times for counters while in all out assault. He didn't need to worry about what was coming back in this fight. This stuff can be worked on and its still early days in his pro career.

One for Fenster..

https://youtu.be/pX0XFCX1GyY

Admittedly Angel Acosta is not British. But I'd put him up there with the list of best prospects in the world. His loss to Tanaka notwithstanding, he'll be back soon enough, and will probably be the next Puerto Rican champion.

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Admittedly Angel Acosta is not British. But I'd put him up there with the list of best prospects in the world. His loss to Tanaka notwithstanding, he'll be back soon enough, and will probably be the next Puerto Rican champion.

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There's about a dozen other prospects that I feel could be special but they have had more fights than Kelly. I include Kelly among that group along with the others I mentioned earlier in this thread.

This kid is very fast and athletic. He looks promising and is in a fun weight class at welterweight I think. Seen highlights on Facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMmJnG0Ui7I&t=62s

Is Diego De La Hoya still a prospect? Not sure but looks like he knows how to come in overweight and get the main event cancelled of Cousin Fishnets card. Atta boy.

Top Rank is giving Shakur Stevenson the push of a boy-band but I'm not seeing the framework. He yells, wings wide and is already using the interview focused on "haters" criticizing him :-X.

Derevyanchenko stands at about 10 bouts but mandatory for Golovkin. He Jacobs and Charlo lined up for him when he beats Canelo..again. That's a tough run.

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Admittedly Angel Acosta is not British. But I'd put him up there with the list of best prospects in the world. His loss to Tanaka notwithstanding, he'll be back soon enough, and will probably be the next Puerto Rican champion.

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Well... scratch Acosta from the list of best prospects. He's now WBO light flyweight champ.

http://www.boxingscene.com/acosta-ko...esults--123032

Fantastic quick short inside left hook for sure. But he is too much of a hot dog and he is going to get knocked out by a straight right down the pipe. He holds his left way too low and counsel his reflexes like Roy Jones

Since Angel "Tito" Acosta is now champ, I've got another prospect I'd like to insert here: Jean Carlos "Chapito" Rivera
He's got some pop and looks promising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2KFeVsLtCs

Taking on faded but still vastly more experienced former 154 title holder Carlos 'King' Molina next on Mar-31. Nice step up in class. This is how guys with big talent should be moved.

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Taking on faded but still vastly more experienced former 154 title holder Carlos 'King' Molina next on Mar-31. Nice step up in class. This is how guys with big talent should be moved.

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Big opportunity and experience to learn on. Gets no better than to be on same stage as major heavyweight unification shown Stateside.

Great to see this confident match making. Molina is the type of fighter you would normally see a prospect face after experiencing domestic title level not 19 rounds into a fledgling career.

Adam Booth has proven to be an excellent matchmaker, balancing the perfect mix of risk/reward to gain more than just a W in the column.

Kelly looks phenomenal and this is exactly the right kind of opponent. If it were Molina years ago you’d figure it could be very risky, since the Mexican had such an awkward spoiler approach. Now he’s old, lost his last two against lesser guys than he used to fight(though I haven’t seen the fights), and never had any power. Still means something if Taylor lights him up due to the gulf in experience and the fact molina hasn’t been close to being stopped as far as I know.

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I'm firmly in the don't run before you can walk club, and have experienced enough last fence falls and enough busted flushes over the years to not get carried away by anyone (basically i'm a pessimistic cunt), however, Kelly reminds me of the breathtaking superduper young talents of the past - Roy, Calzaghe, Floyd, Naz

If you don't know who he is you will soon.

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His footwork is INSANELY good and gives him the angles to throw those Naz/RJJ type punches plus gives him a Loma style defence

Great prospect agreed and his footwork alone sets him a bit higher than the other Josh.... Taylor.

There's a good argument for both i think and they both should be nailed on belt holders sooner or later :cool:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1aIqymIRnU

No doubt a top prospect. Is he a better prospect then Ryan Garcia?

Really looking forward to the fight tomorrow, Molina is no mug and if hes coming to win we should have a cracking fight. Kelly is as short as 1/50 to win this fight which looks crazy short to me.

Subriel Matias. Future PR world champ. 'Nough said.


https://www.boxingscene.com/subriel-...trella--128327

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Subriel Matias. Future PR world champ. 'Nough said.


https://www.boxingscene.com/subriel-...trella--128327

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;D you got on board quick.

How bout Bin Lu, decent but way too early to tell, but going for the WBA Light-flyweight title in only his 2nd fight, against undefeated Carlos Canizales 20-0-1 (16), is pretty ballsy.

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Subriel Matias. Future PR world champ. 'Nough said.


https://www.boxingscene.com/subriel-...trella--128327

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;D you got on board quick.

How bout Bin Lu, decent but way too early to tell, but going for the WBA Light-flyweight title in only his 2nd fight, against undefeated Carlos Canizales 20-0-1 (16), is pretty ballsy.

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True. ;D

He's still a bit raw (Matias), but he's got serious power and it looks like the rest can be worked on. I might be a bit biased in jumping on that bus so quick.

Bin Lu I know nothing about. Seems a bit "Loma-nesque" in fighting a comparative veteran in only his 2nd fight.

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I'm firmly in the don't run before you can walk club, and have experienced enough last fence falls and enough busted flushes over the years to not get carried away by anyone (basically i'm a pessimistic cunt), however, Kelly reminds me of the breathtaking superduper young talents of the past - Roy, Calzaghe, Floyd, Naz

If you don't know who he is you will soon.

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His footwork is INSANELY good and gives him the angles to throw those Naz/RJJ type punches plus gives him a Loma style defence

Great prospect agreed and his footwork alone sets him a bit higher than the other Josh.... Taylor.

There's a good argument for both i think and they both should be nailed on belt holders sooner or later :cool:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1aIqymIRnU

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Josh Kelly's footwork is not better than Josh Taylors. His upper body reflexes are better than Taylors but his footwork from a technical standpoint certainly ain't. And just to let you know boxers who have sparred both say Taylor's better.

Sorry, don't want to go over the top, but these combos reminded me of Leonard.

Next stop is David Avanesyan, however, they were waffling about Khan. Now obviously Khan is never interested in the fight but it's time for that level (faded world class name).



https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wzuwo

The kid looked really good against a tough and decent, but overmatched opponent. Beautiful combinations to secure a bit of a hometown stoppage. His opponent was never in the fight though to be fair.

Those hooks are vicious, Adam Booth says he'd stick him in with Khan or Brook next no problem.
Really wanna see him moved along and thrown in the deep end.

He looked brilliant didn't he? We are so spoilt with the amount of talent that is currently around.

That wasn't even a keep busy fight. He's contracted for a certain number of fights a year and that was one to make up the numbers. He's got one more fight this year and it's on to bigger and better things. Turns out a mate of mine knows his dad really well. Sunderland is like a fucking village.

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Have to love the talent. But I think he is building his own ceiling by abandoning fundamentals. When he meets equal talent he could be in trouble. But he's fun to watch.

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Okay, trouble came long before the top. Hopefully now he will learn the fundamentals because he can’t Roy

Laughable how boxing fans rubbished this young fella after the Robinson draw. Terrific learning fight for a prospect against a proven solid consistent guy (I understand the Americans seeing him for the first time not liking the "Roy" style, it's par for the course for the foreigner to get hate)

He's back on the big Jacobs-Chavez Jr card this Friday.

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Laughable how boxing fans rubbished this young fella after the Robinson draw. Terrific learning fight for a prospect against a proven solid consistent guy (I understand the Americans seeing him for the first time not liking the "Roy" style, it's par for the course for the foreigner to get hate)

He's back on the big Jacobs-Chavez Jr card this Friday.

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Laughable is your constant complete BS. Nobody rubbished him. I said 2 years ago when he meets equal talent he could be in trouble. So I didn’t change anything after Ray as you lied. I had it right from jump street unlike you. And still I haven’t rubbished him, I said I hoped he would learn to use fundamentals to meet his talent. But I appreciate that you are a consistent lying POS. It’s nice that the posts are so close together so people can see you being a lying POS. Have you ever made an accurate talent assessment? You can see mine was spot on. Seriously, do you know anything about talent or can you only lie? Perhaps that’s the difference between someone that works in the sport and someone who is quite clear about their biases. Oh, and what did I say your biases were “by race and country I can always tell you Fensters opinion”, just yet another coincidence how your opinion falls right?

Time after time after time I can point out how your opinion coincidentally falls exactly the same. I’ve watched it for years. But it’s just coincidences right?