Andre Ward is going to come back...

Give him about a year and a half, a little less, and he will come back and all on his mind will be Superman Stevenson. He KNOWS he can't just leave it like "that"....

What he is going to do is fight a blown up SuperMiddleweight- like a Brophy, or Chudinov, or Nielsen or Smith. Then the talks about a Stevenson fight, if Stevenson remains on top, will start to ruminate... but before that he will take on two "ok" Light Heavies- A Joe Smith, or Bivol, but not as dangerous as Beterbiev, but more along the lines of Jack, Alvarez or Koelling... and then MONEY is to be made.

Unless they pump up Beterbiev and/or Alvarez, and either one of them beats Stevenson, it makes no sense to come back for less money just to fight.

The only thing that can take shape is a HEAVY MONIED prize/title fight against Stevenson. OR the man that beat Stevenson and the MONEY is and how it is set up is "right".

But odds are a Ward/Stevenson fight needed to happen. We know it, and they know it.

Doubt Stevenson is still holding a belt by the time Ward decides to return. Not really interested in that fight anyone. Ward still has unfinished business for me with Kov. A return against the guy who emerges as top top at 175 would be nice tho.

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Doubt Stevenson is still holding a belt by the time Ward decides to return. Not really interested in that fight anyone. Ward still has unfinished business for me with Kov. A return against the guy who emerges as top top at 175 would be nice tho.

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Kov is done to me. Just admit it: Ward was better. I wish not to see another Manny/JMM saga where Manny CLEARLY won 3 of the four fights, but JMM wants to fight until he wins. It solves nothijng.

I think retire means retire for Ward.

I think he will be the exception to the rule of boxers coming back.

The Kov fights were hard won victories which took a lot out of him and respect for him to take the biggest and baddest opponent to win.

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Doubt Stevenson is still holding a belt by the time Ward decides to return. Not really interested in that fight anyone. Ward still has unfinished business for me with Kov. A return against the guy who emerges as top top at 175 would be nice tho.

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Kov is done to me. Just admit it: Ward was better. I wish not to see another Manny/JMM saga where Manny CLEARLY won 3 of the four fights, but JMM wants to fight until he wins. It solves nothijng.

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OK. We obviously have different understandings of the word. I thought Kov won the first fight. Ward may have stopped Kov clearly in the second, or Kov may have recovered and got the decision but the ref ruined it for both guys.

Seeing Pac sprawled on the canvas proved something.

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Doubt Stevenson is still holding a belt by the time Ward decides to return. Not really interested in that fight anyone. Ward still has unfinished business for me with Kov. A return against the guy who emerges as top top at 175 would be nice tho.

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Kov is done to me. Just admit it: Ward was better. I wish not to see another Manny/JMM saga where Manny CLEARLY won 3 of the four fights, but JMM wants to fight until he wins. It solves nothijng.

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OK. We obviously have different understandings of the word. I thought Kov won the first fight. Ward may have stopped Kov clearly in the second, or Kov may have recovered and got the decision but the ref ruined it for both guys.

Seeing Pac sprawled on the canvas proved something.

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Proved that JMM needed PEDs to get a decisive win? In a fight he was losing on the cards, again???

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Doubt Stevenson is still holding a belt by the time Ward decides to return. Not really interested in that fight anyone. Ward still has unfinished business for me with Kov. A return against the guy who emerges as top top at 175 would be nice tho.

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Kov is done to me. Just admit it: Ward was better. I wish not to see another Manny/JMM saga where Manny CLEARLY won 3 of the four fights, but JMM wants to fight until he wins. It solves nothijng.

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OK. We obviously have different understandings of the word. I thought Kov won the first fight. Ward may have stopped Kov clearly in the second, or Kov may have recovered and got the decision but the ref ruined it for both guys.

Seeing Pac sprawled on the canvas proved something.

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Proved that JMM needed PEDs to get a decisive win? In a fight he was losing on the cards, again???

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Really? Did Marquez fail any tests? Wasn't it Pac turning down Floyd due to Olympic style drug testing? Those in glass houses and all. Score cards don't matter when the other guy is dribbling on the canvas. The argument can be made that Marquez should have won the first 3 fights.

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I think retire means retire for Ward.

I think he will be the exception to the rule of boxers coming back.

The Kov fights were hard won victories which took a lot out of him and respect for him to take the biggest and baddest opponent to win.

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Well said Master.

As long as he's smart with his money there should be no reason for him to return. Fighters find it hard to shake the itch tho.

1)there is no interest in Stevenson
2)how you rate fighters at LHW is wrong
3)Manny did not clearly win 3 of 4

Other than the words the posts are largely correct.

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I'm a big Kov fan, Alpha... but that last Ward fight left me deflated. The ref's quick trigger notwithstanding, Kov wilted inexplicably under Ward's body assault. I'm no Ward fan, either. But I grudgingly give him his credit for the win. I've love for them to do it again, but two things have to happen. Kov has to get his head straight and go back to being the ruthless destroyer he is. The other thing, much harder to accomplish, is to get another fight with Ward. Ward has nothing to gain and everything to lose by going back in the ring with Kov. He can claim he's beat him twice... and move on to greener pastures. Ward will be looking to preserve his "0", so I don't see him risking a lucky bomb from Stevenson, clumsy and unorthodox as he might be. Let's see what happens.

How about Badou Jack?

If he keeps winning and looking good is he an option?

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Doubt Stevenson is still holding a belt by the time Ward decides to return. Not really interested in that fight anyone. Ward still has unfinished business for me with Kov. A return against the guy who emerges as top top at 175 would be nice tho.

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I'm a big Kov fan, Alpha... but that last Ward fight left me deflated. The ref's quick trigger notwithstanding, Kov wilted inexplicably under Ward's body assault. I'm no Ward fan, either. But I grudgingly give him his credit for the win. I've love for them to do it again, but two things have to happen. Kov has to get his head straight and go back to being the ruthless destroyer he is. The other thing, much harder to accomplish, is to get another fight with Ward. Ward has nothing to gain and everything to lose by going back in the ring with Kov. He can claim he's beat him twice... and move on to greener pastures. Ward will be looking to preserve his "0", so I don't see him risking a lucky bomb from Stevenson, clumsy and unorthodox as he might be. Let's see what happens.

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Definitely have to give Ward credit for facing the boogie man of the division. Like I've said previously I felt Kov won the first and both guys were robbed of a definitive ending in the second. I agree Ward won't give Kov anther shot if he returns.

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Doubt Stevenson is still holding a belt by the time Ward decides to return. Not really interested in that fight anyone. Ward still has unfinished business for me with Kov. A return against the guy who emerges as top top at 175 would be nice tho.

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I'm a big Kov fan, Alpha... but that last Ward fight left me deflated. The ref's quick trigger notwithstanding, Kov wilted inexplicably under Ward's body assault. I'm no Ward fan, either. But I grudgingly give him his credit for the win. I've love for them to do it again, but two things have to happen. Kov has to get his head straight and go back to being the ruthless destroyer he is. The other thing, much harder to accomplish, is to get another fight with Ward. Ward has nothing to gain and everything to lose by going back in the ring with Kov. He can claim he's beat him twice... and move on to greener pastures. Ward will be looking to preserve his "0", so I don't see him risking a lucky bomb from Stevenson, clumsy and unorthodox as he might be. Let's see what happens.

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Definitely have to give Ward credit for facing the boogie man of the division. Like I've said previously I felt Kov won the first and both guys were robbed of a definitive ending in the second. I agree Ward won't give Kov anther shot if he returns.

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I hope you aren't suggesting Ward has something to fear. Because Ward took his soul. Sucks it ended on a low blow. But Kov was done long before that, he wanted out and no more of what Ward was giving him.

It's rare you can actually see a fighters spirit break. I'm honestly surprised Kov didn't retire.

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I'm a big Kov fan, Alpha... but that last Ward fight left me deflated. The ref's quick trigger notwithstanding, Kov wilted inexplicably under Ward's body assault. I'm no Ward fan, either. But I grudgingly give him his credit for the win. I've love for them to do it again, but two things have to happen. Kov has to get his head straight and go back to being the ruthless destroyer he is. The other thing, much harder to accomplish, is to get another fight with Ward. Ward has nothing to gain and everything to lose by going back in the ring with Kov. He can claim he's beat him twice... and move on to greener pastures. Ward will be looking to preserve his "0", so I don't see him risking a lucky bomb from Stevenson, clumsy and unorthodox as he might be. Let's see what happens.

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Definitely have to give Ward credit for facing the boogie man of the division. Like I've said previously I felt Kov won the first and both guys were robbed of a definitive ending in the second. I agree Ward won't give Kov anther shot if he returns.

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I hope you aren't suggesting Ward has something to fear. Because Ward took his soul. Sucks it ended on a low blow. But Kov was done long before that, he wanted out and no more of what Ward was giving him.

It's rare you can actually see a fighters spirit break. I'm honestly surprised Kov didn't retire.

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Not saying Ward fears Kovalev at all, he already fought him twice. Just thinking Kov was suck a prick (moreso leading into the 2nd) that I don't see Ward wanting to deal with Kov again.

Took his soul is a bit much for me. Sure Kov looked hurt, but there were definite low blows involved too. Given a 5 minute recovery who knows what happens. Like I said the ref robbed both guys of a definitive ending.

Ward would not have to fight Kov again and I am sure Kov would be happy never to fight Ward again. It has ruined him.

Ward v any of the top light heavies would have been good but do not think Ward could keep up that level of performance every time. How Ward won the fight against Kov after the first 2 rounds which were a disaster for him shows how great he was. Ward was visibly shocked by the power, jab and size of Kov but turned it around showing great heart.

Ruined him, took his soul. Are you guys serious? The first fight could have gone either way. I also had Kov ahead in the second. Even tho Ward was starting to hurt Kov. Those low blows deserved recovery time. Ward may have stopped him. Kov could have recovered. We'll never know for sure. Nothing there suggests the extreme nature you guys are recalling.

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Ruined him, took his soul. Are you guys serious? The first fight could have gone either way. I also had Kov ahead in the second. Even tho Ward was starting to hurt Kov. Those low blows deserved recovery time. Ward may have stopped him. Kov could have recovered. We'll never know for sure. Nothing there suggests the extreme nature you guys are recalling.

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Kov is definitely ruined in the sense that he is now vulnerable. He can come back but the aura of invincibility has been destroyed.

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Ok those were low blows but there is a way to react which is to take a knee, get up and then punch him low back.

Deep down he knows he quit.

The ref fucked up. They were low. We can all agree. Kov may have been hurt prior but deserved time to recover from the illegal blows. He did both guys a disservice.

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The ref fucked up. They were low. We can all agree. Kov may have been hurt prior but deserved time to recover from the illegal blows. He did both guys a disservice.

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Ref was to blame but the loss is on Kov. Take a knee and recover. Do not cry and moan.

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The ref fucked up. They were low. We can all agree. Kov may have been hurt prior but deserved time to recover from the illegal blows. He did both guys a disservice.

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Ref was to blame but the loss is on Kov. Take a knee and recover. Do not cry and moan.

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So the ref was wrong but it's Kov's fault for not taking a knee? The ref didn't give him a chance. Didn't even acknowledge the low blows. Just stopped it.

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The ref fucked up. They were low. We can all agree. Kov may have been hurt prior but deserved time to recover from the illegal blows. He did both guys a disservice.

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Ref was to blame but the loss is on Kov. Take a knee and recover. Do not cry and moan.

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So the ref was wrong but it's Kov's fault for not taking a knee? The ref didn't give him a chance. Didn't even acknowledge the low blows. Just stopped it.

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Better to take a knee than risk the stoppage.

B Hop would have rolled around and acted hurt until the ref had to take notice.

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The ref fucked up. They were low. We can all agree. Kov may have been hurt prior but deserved time to recover from the illegal blows. He did both guys a disservice.

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Ref was to blame but the loss is on Kov. Take a knee and recover. Do not cry and moan.

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So the ref was wrong but it's Kov's fault for not taking a knee? The ref didn't give him a chance. Didn't even acknowledge the low blows. Just stopped it.

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Better to take a knee than risk the stoppage.

B Hop would have rolled around and acted hurt until the ref had to take notice.

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