Wilder-Stiverne II/Porter/Granados/Breazeale/Molina/Lipinetts - SKY/Showtime

In a pointless rematch, Stiverne weighed in a stone (14 lb) more than last time. He hasn't fought for two years and when last denting the canvas was struggling to get past a man that Eddie Chambers and big Audley sparkoed out.

Stiverne did well to last the distance last time considering he has breeze blocks cemented to his ankles, so being even fatter, slower and older doesn't bode well for his chances. Wilder employed an impressive "pool cue" jab last time, however, a good couple of licks should be enough to convince Stiverne it's safer sitting down than standing up.

Atomic Windmill - KO 1-3 (4/1)

Wilder will stop the tubby one, but it is a pointless rematch. The last fight wasn't particularly close.

Shows what a bunch of wankers the governing bodies are. He shouldn't be anywhere the top of the rankings considering
a. He had one bite at it.
b. His inactivity. He's done nothing to get another shot not even to warrant stepping in as a replacement .
c. The cunt clearly hasn't taken it seriously.

If I knew Stiverne was going to come in overweight I would have predicted a stoppage in the predictions league.

We know boxers are not so smart , but Wilder has said he will end Stiverne's life ? WTF.

" I want a body on my record , I will end his life "

What a prick.

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We know boxers are not so smart , but Wilder has said he will end Stiverne's life ? WTF.

" I want a body on my record , I will end his life "

What a prick.

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Crass comments are probably made by Wilder to try and get some publicity for this fight and career.

Pretty dumb almost desperate comments from Wilder. Act like you've been in the room before. That said Stiverne looks like he just dropped twins, sure sign he has little intention of trying harder than he did the first time. Don King must be a wizard keeping this guy ranked.

would love Porter-Granados to be an inside battle but think Porter bulldozes him.

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Pretty dumb almost desperate comments from Wilder. Act like you've been in the room before. That said Stiverne looks like he just dropped twins, sure sign he has little intention of trying harder than he did the first time. Don King must be a wizard keeping this guy ranked.

would love Porter-Granados to be an inside battle but think Porter bulldozes him.

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Don King and WBC go way back and Stiverne has benefited from the friendship.

Stiverne didn't even try last time. He was lazy. Now he's fat and lazy. If I was in Wilders corner I would have him attack early.

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Stiverne didn't even try last time. He was lazy. Now he's fat and lazy. If I was in Wilders corner I would have him attack early.

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It does have KO round 1 all over it.

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Stiverne didn't even try last time. He was lazy. Now he's fat and lazy. If I was in Wilders corner I would have him attack early.

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It does have KO round 1 all over it.

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Which would be a shame as Wilder really needs more rounds and against better opponents than this too. Joshua is green, but Wilder needs a few more strings to his bow too. You only add that by testing yourself.

Finally got a pick right ;D. Breazeale stopped Molina. Not a clue about this Kondo fellow but Lipinits should find out early on.

Impressed with both Kondo and Lipinets over 5. Kondo is no slouch took 1st. Lipinets loosens up ring center and did sharp shooting 3rd. Kondo has not slowed and back on pressure in 5th and buzzed Lipinets with big right hand! Annnnnd we have a headbutt gusher on Lipinets. Shat.

Kondo coming on end 7th and Lipinets blood streaming down center of face. That cut is going to kill a pretty gritty scrap. Kondo is the one who looks to be growing stronger

Lipinets all brass , dude has a small hole in the center of his forehead!

Tough 9th think Kondo edged it. Lipinets little less active and got away from solid body work. Arguably the toughest upset minded guy with a receding hairline in ages. He answers every thing Lipinets gets in

Lipinets with some sharp punches mid 11th, mixing very well and leaving Kondo lurching. What seems like the very first clinch of fight end of round. Final round should be fireworks

Contrary to the judges this was not a 118-110 fight ffs. Lipinets deserved nod ebbing back strong 11 and 12th but waaaay to wide for me.

No one watching the Porter fight?

How does Stiverne get his very own rapper ring walk? Both of these guys are dressed in gold like pre cooked Walmart hams. Stiverne half asleep in pre interview

Wilder has everything to lose in this forced turd and should dust Stiverne.

is he dead?

How you pulverize a guy who had no intention of competing, nice 1-2 follow up left Stiverne folded like a lawn chair.

Wilder with A "juicing" J do you want to take the test :-X.

What a fight! GSP looked like shit until he got that big punch.

I love the fact that Wilder isn't the big winner tonight. It's GSP. And he's the one who came close to killing his opponent.

A waste of time for Wilder there. It's all well and good having an easy night for a payday, but he needs more than that to fight Joshua. I think he has all the tools to do the job, but he needs be tested more. That's another 6 months done. To be fair fights have fallen through for him, but he needs a top fight and to have that chin tested and then maybe Joshua.

If Wilder had been a Kronk fighter , he would have been some fighter.
He is much more athletic at around 6'6 and 16 stone 6lbs than A.J who is 18 stone. If Wilder hits you clean , " you are in more strife than Flash Gordon ".

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If Wilder had been a Kronk fighter , he would have been some fighter.
He is much more athletic at around 6'6 and 16 stone 6lbs than A.J who is 18 stone. If Wilder hits you clean , " you are in more strife than Flash Gordon ".

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I agree that Wilder is very athletic, his jab was like a lightweights in there last night. Where I disagree slightly with you is your point that him training at Kronk gym would make him that much better. I feel that Breland is doing an excellent job with him, and that while Manny Steward did wonders for tall, rangy heavyweights, I'm not sure how much more he could've gotten out of Deontay.

Wilder vs Joshua is a fascinating match up. I think either has the power to hurt and/or stop the other with one shot. I also feel that Wilder is more athletic, faster, and better at improvising in the ring, where AJ is a better technical fighter. Just seeing if/how AJ is able to deal with the jab and faster feet will be interesting to me.

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If Wilder had been a Kronk fighter , he would have been some fighter.
He is much more athletic at around 6'6 and 16 stone 6lbs than A.J who is 18 stone. If Wilder hits you clean , " you are in more strife than Flash Gordon ".

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I agree that Wilder is very athletic, his jab was like a lightweights in there last night. Where I disagree slightly with you is your point that him training at Kronk gym would make him that much better. I feel that Breland is doing an excellent job with him, and that while Manny Steward did wonders for tall, rangy heavyweights, I'm not sure how much more he could've gotten out of Deontay.

Wilder vs Joshua is a fascinating match up. I think either has the power to hurt and/or stop the other with one shot. I also feel that Wilder is more athletic, faster, and better at improvising in the ring, where AJ is a better technical fighter. Just seeing if/how AJ is able to deal with the jab and faster feet will be interesting to me.

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Agree with the above and just want to add that whilst there wasn't anything at all coming back from Stiverne last night, Wilders defense was non existent, he leaves himself far too open and he tends to put his arms up in the air when he is back pedaling leaving himself wide open, the way he hangs his chin out at times he is begging for a big puncher to test it out.

I don't see how anyone can be 100% confident of the outcome of this one, certainly a fascinating match up.

Listening to an American phone-in (TBV) - Joshua is not only terrified of Wilder but it's a borderline mismatch. Wilder will kill Joshua. Literally.

Don't anyone on this forum ever again tell me American's are not patriotic about their fighters. Seriously. :D

Teach AJ to effectively close the distance and smother Wilder's punchers and its over. Nothing to really gain from the Stiverne rematch except that Stiverne hasn't learned anything and Wilder wasn't in there long enough to injure himself this time. AJ can still get caught at a distance, because he will have the same problem a lot of big heavyweights have and that's getting used to being the bigger man in the ring. Wilder's game is Kinetic. He has to be moving forward to get force on his shots. So he'd fight Joshua the same he fought anyone else. Hang around the outside and try to catch Joshua and sting him with a one two or a straight right or set a trap for Joshua to Throw the right over his jab, fall short and get caught by the left. Then close in swarm and finish the job. You could see even with stiverne, that wilders accuracy suffers when he closes, because he starts flailing for an emphatic knockout. Wilders lost on the fundamentals. I don't want to say you cant get that back but its hard to correct the foundation of a house without rebuilding the rest of the house too.

If someone teaches Joshua to parry, use his legs to get under punches, and use his angles... It can be easier than most people think for Joshua to smother him. If Joshua shells up and rolls forward like a tank, he's setting himself up to be stung. I'd also say there is a decent shot of wilder injuring himself trying to door knocker/ slappy cuff Joshua.

Stivern didn't even try. He didn't look like he wanted to be in the ring. He was only there to get paid.

I wonder what the terms are for his contract with Don King. How many more fights does he own him for?

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Stivern didn't even try. He didn't look like he wanted to be in the ring. He was only there to get paid.

I wonder what the terms are for his contract with Don King. How many more fights does he own him for?

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I think this will be his last fight and he will retire with what little he is left with after King makes his deductions.

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Stivern didn't even try. He didn't look like he wanted to be in the ring. He was only there to get paid.

I wonder what the terms are for his contract with Don King. How many more fights does he own him for?

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I think this will be his last fight and he will retire with what little he is left with after King makes his deductions.

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I read his purse was 500K. How much will be left after King takes his chunk?

Stiverne was a disgrace. Can’t fault Wilder for the fight though.

Lipinets is a good fighter but is very fortunate that he didn’t have to fight Crawford because he would have gotten completely destroyed. Now he can enjoy being a top contender at 140 and making a name for himself until Garcia moves up and beats him.

Granados is hard to root against. He has so much heart. Him saying that he won at the end kind of left a bad taste in my mouth though. He had a ton of heart but in no way won the fight.

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Stivern didn't even try. He didn't look like he wanted to be in the ring. He was only there to get paid.

I wonder what the terms are for his contract with Don King. How many more fights does he own him for?

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I think this will be his last fight and he will retire with what little he is left with after King makes his deductions.

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I read his purse was 500K. How much will be left after King takes his chunk?

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10% so maybe Stiverne comes back and rebuilds again.

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Listening to an American phone-in (TBV) - Joshua is not only terrified of Wilder but it's a borderline mismatch. Wilder will kill Joshua. Literally.

Don't anyone on this forum ever again tell me American's are not patriotic about their fighters. Seriously. :D

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It was pretty deep over here this morning as I had a friend call proclaiming Wilder the carbon copy of Tyson power ;D. I cannot get passed Wilders flaws being as glaring as his pop as he runs in with zero regard to what comes back. Great emotion but comes off as unhinged pre and post in this one. All the AJ bashing and saying he knows he's a juicer etc and then slams him for "beating a guy Wlad who was already beat"...then he takes the ring 30 minutes later to impale a listless and bloated Stiverne 2 who came just to pay the rent.


on another note about card..seriously put off by Porter late in that one and cannot remember him ever near running to time out a clock. He looked totally spent last couple rounds vs Granados. Cannot think of many matches I'd rather miss but Thurman-Porter II is one of them.

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Stivern didn't even try. He didn't look like he wanted to be in the ring. He was only there to get paid.

I wonder what the terms are for his contract with Don King. How many more fights does he own him for?

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I think this will be his last fight and he will retire with what little he is left with after King makes his deductions.

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I read his purse was 500K. How much will be left after King takes his chunk?

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10% so maybe Stiverne comes back and rebuilds again.

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Yeah, maybe. Or maybe he stopped off after the fight for bargain bucket and a box of dunkin donuts, because his training camp was so strict he deserved a treat! :rolleyes:

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Stivern didn't even try. He didn't look like he wanted to be in the ring. He was only there to get paid.

I wonder what the terms are for his contract with Don King. How many more fights does he own him for?

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I think this will be his last fight and he will retire with what little he is left with after King makes his deductions.

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I read his purse was 500K. How much will be left after King takes his chunk?

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10% so maybe Stiverne comes back and rebuilds again.

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Yeah, maybe. Or maybe he stopped off after the fight for bargain bucket and a box of dunkin donuts, because his training camp was so strict he deserved a treat! :rolleyes:

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I sense a lot of hostility in your posts about Stiverne.

Stiverne did a Buster Douglas.

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Stivern didn't even try. He didn't look like he wanted to be in the ring. He was only there to get paid.

I wonder what the terms are for his contract with Don King. How many more fights does he own him for?

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I think this will be his last fight and he will retire with what little he is left with after King makes his deductions.

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I read his purse was 500K. How much will be left after King takes his chunk?

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10% so maybe Stiverne comes back and rebuilds again.

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Yeah, maybe. Or maybe he stopped off after the fight for bargain bucket and a box of dunkin donuts, because his training camp was so strict he deserved a treat! :rolleyes:

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I sense a lot of hostility in your posts about Stiverne.

Stiverne did a Buster Douglas.

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In what sense? At least Buster Douglas did something amazing one night AND he had some decent names on his record to earn his shot.
Stiverne on the other hand has done fuck all. Gets a second shot out of the blue, and doesn't even get in shape , and basically rolling over for his dough.
It was late notice , but nowhere near as late as Takam for example. If you can't do it justice , don't take it.

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Stivern didn't even try. He didn't look like he wanted to be in the ring. He was only there to get paid.

I wonder what the terms are for his contract with Don King. How many more fights does he own him for?

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I think this will be his last fight and he will retire with what little he is left with after King makes his deductions.

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I read his purse was 500K. How much will be left after King takes his chunk?

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10% so maybe Stiverne comes back and rebuilds again.

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Yeah, maybe. Or maybe he stopped off after the fight for bargain bucket and a box of dunkin donuts, because his training camp was so strict he deserved a treat! :rolleyes:

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I sense a lot of hostility in your posts about Stiverne.

Stiverne did a Buster Douglas.

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In what sense? At least Buster Douglas did something amazing one night AND he had some decent names on his record to earn his shot.
Stiverne on the other hand has done fuck all. Gets a second shot out of the blue, and doesn't even get in shape , and basically rolling over for his dough.
It was late notice , but nowhere near as late as Takam for example. If you can't do it justice , don't take it.

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In the sense that he took the money and lay down without even trying.

Stiverne was an absolute disgrace. Didn't even bother training and you knew he was just there for a quick payday as soon as he got into the ring. Didn't even land a punch and folded like a newspaper.

He should not be getting paid for that performance.

In fact, the only two boxing performances I can think of that were as disgraceful were Charles Williams against Joshua and Audley against Haye.

I'm normally very respectful of anybody with the balls to step into a competitive boxing ring ..... but I thought Stiverne ripped off the public and doesn't even deserve to keep his boxing licence.

I really fancy a bargain bucket now