I dunno, man?! Haye has never had a rematch and never won one, sufficed to say. So, this may be a bit of a challenge for him!
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I dunno, man?! Haye has never had a rematch and never won one, sufficed to say. So, this may be a bit of a challenge for him!
if Haye has anything left , and he boxes instead of winging bombs from way outside. Then he will connect and will score a KO.
Bellew has heart but no chin.
I think Haye will win provided he is fit to make it through the fight. However I think Bellew has proved he has the experience not to get hit by the wild swings of David so could lose on points.
Really Haye should wipe out Bellew if he had any real aspirations of winning a world title. Struggling with Bellew shows he is past it.
All down to Hayes body. If he’s fit enough he’ll win easy.
Bellew struggled with him with one leg ffs
But I don’t think Haye will be 12 round fit
I'm wondering. He claimed to have turned Vegan a few years back, Haye did. So, I was wondering if that was playing with his physiology?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I dunno?! I think the protein and iron meat gives you, for a fighter, is important and no plant based food can supplement.
A fighter, just like a weight lifter, needs a steak, a piece of porkchops or some good lamb every now and then with lots of broccoli and potatoes.
Does anybody really give a fuck about this? In boxing rating terms, these 2 are irrelevant. Bellew is never gonna be a HW Contender as long as he's got a hole in his ass , and Haye proved BEFORE he got injured last time, that he doesn't have what it takes any more. You cannot turn the clock back and his body is shot to pieces.
Is the winner of this really gonna get a shot? or a more likely scenario is that they'll end up in more panto matchups with Whyte, Chisora and the Furys.
I've just had a look and the fight is due to take place in just over a month, expect the hype train to start up any day now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
It'd take a pretty strong fucking undercard to get me to even consider ordering this
I can’t see Joshua going near Wilder Just yet. Just can’t. Too risky for a still raw AJ and Eddie knows it.
A Haye win sets up a nice April British pay day for both with Haye having a punchers chance for a few rounds.
So yes Haye v Bellew is relevant
Or Haye will not want to fight AJ yet because he will lose and retire so I see him dragging it out to make as much money as possible. I can see Haye trying to instigate fights with Parker, Whyte and any other small and limited heavyweight he can fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Haye is lazy. Less fights the better. His body can’t go much more- maybe already fucked.
If he beats Bellew he can get AJ for big money.
And he’ll think he has a chance
Haye probably does think he has a chance because of his inflated ego which is why he would want to prolong his career so that he can do more TV shows. Maybe he sets up a trilogy with Bellew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
AJ will smash him to bits and knock him out in brutal fashion. It would be a huge mismatch.
I can't agree. After watching his last fight, imo it confirmed that he isn't a contender anymore. I think Haye would love the chance to fight AJ and would have the self belief that he could upset the apple cart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
But I think his body is gone and you don't turn the clock back.
I think all Haye has got left is the "Second tier championship" with the Whytes, Furys, Del Boys and Baby face Millers of this World.
I don't take much pleasure in thinking like this, I think the Haye of 5 or 6 years ago would've been more than a match for any of the champions today.
I might be wrong, but don't see it.
If you are a washed up former heavyweight champion with a massive ego and severe money problems then fighting Bellew, Whyte and Parker makes better business sense than jump in with a monster like AJ.
For some reason we love watching David Haye. He looks like us.... So we want him to win. ;D;D;D;D;D
You look like a cunt? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Haye will win if he takes his time..
If he gets beat then there's no way back.. unless he wants entry the heavies via punching bag chisora.
I think the best result would be a double KO.
Then both would have a 3rd fight. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Haye would win the 3rd, then they'll have a 4th to settle things once and for all. At least it will keep them out of everyone's hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThen both would have a 3rd fight. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Problem is they will be all over the TV and in our faces. Whilst getting richer at the same time. Forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaHaye would win the 3rd, then they'll have a 4th to settle things once and for all. At least it will keep them out of everyone's hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThen both would have a 3rd fight. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Haye wins with an emphatic KO and Bellew retires. David retires because he realises he is finished.
The end.
Haye is not what he used to be, but providing he doesn't stub his toe getting out of bed, or something doesn't go 'pop' inside of him, he should beat Bellew inside the distance.
After he was done that, he can rematch Mark De Mori & then fight Briggs to give the fans the promised 'superfight' that we missed.:-\
Preferably on the Dave channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
Its PPV on CBeebies channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPreferably on the Dave channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
If Bellew wins he’ll get a couple of more big pay days.
I’d pick Bellew to beat Wilder but can’t see him troubling Joshua
A bloody PPV again Hearn is taking the piss Haye should win if he is fit Tony could not hurt him with his best punch.:)
It's madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
In the grand scheme of things, this is actually a meaningless fight.
If Bellew wins, it will raise his profile a little, but that's it, as everyone knows he isn't an HW & if he ever tried to become a bona fide HW, he'd get stomped all over like Godzilla over Tokyo.
If Haye wins, it will be a case of, 'so what'?
Neither of them will be serious players in the HW division, especially Haye who hasn't defeated a world class HW since Nikolay Valuev in 2009 & he was cr@p!
You reckon Bellew would beat Wilder? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Stop being polite. That is just plain stupid to think Bellew could beat a super heavyweight like Wilder. Just too big. Even Parker would beat Bellew with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou reckon Bellew would beat Wilder? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Bellew will retire after this fight win or lose. Guaranteed.
Unlike you, i like to debate politely and respect other people's opinions. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterStop being polite. That is just plain stupid to think Bellew could beat a super heavyweight like Wilder. Just too big. Even Parker would beat Bellew with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou reckon Bellew would beat Wilder? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Bellew will retire after this fight win or lose. Guaranteed.
Piss off ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraUnlike you, i like to debate politely and respect other people's opinions. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterStop being polite. That is just plain stupid to think Bellew could beat a super heavyweight like Wilder. Just too big. Even Parker would beat Bellew with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou reckon Bellew would beat Wilder? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Bellew will retire after this fight win or lose. Guaranteed.
;D;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I would love that too.
It's a bit of a joke fight really & there's no way it should have so much prominence.
Bellew isn't an HW, win, lose or draw & David Haye is just a con man.
As far as I'm concerned, he has never beaten a truly decent HW, although you could argue that Monte Barrett wasn't too bad.
He's only fought one decent HW & he got owned & blamed his toe!
Haye has boxed himself into a corner & he has to win spectacularly & then he has show that he is serious & take on an HW that doesn't moonlight as a waxwork dummy, or that isn't clinically dead, but I can't see that happening.
I was just seeing who’d pick up on it. Of course I don’t. Though I do accept he’s the most talked about heavyweight outside of the champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPiss off ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraUnlike you, i like to debate politely and respect other people's opinions. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterStop being polite. That is just plain stupid to think Bellew could beat a super heavyweight like Wilder. Just too big. Even Parker would beat Bellew with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou reckon Bellew would beat Wilder? Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Bellew will retire after this fight win or lose. Guaranteed.
Haye is allegedly injured and might be pulling out.
No other info just rumour at the moment.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/bo...rematch-injury
Not exactly the most trustworthy sources but here's another one.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...er-threat/amp/
Achilles again
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2017/...er-in-jeopardy
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World Boxing News heard late on Saturday the news David Haye may have to pull out of his scheduled rematch with Tony Bellew on December 17.
Digging a little deeper and without reporting the rumour immediately, WBN have since learned Haye's troublesome achilles is the culprit and could mean the two-weight world champion may have to retire.
The injury hampered Haye during his March clash with Bellew, in which the 37 year-old was stopped for only the second time in his 15 year professional stint at London's O2 Arena.
A second bout was due to take place in five weeks' time, although Haye is rated as touch and go to take part and may be forced to step away from boxing should the ailment continue to be a problem.
With a paycheck in the millions on the line, Haye will predictably give his recovery every chance before calling off a fight which was being billed as redemption for a defeat the heavyweight is adamant should never have happened.
Haye had his achilles checked in the run-up to the initial meeting with Bellew, and despite reportedly being told he wasn't one hundred percent by doctors, the Londoner still went through with the fight only to be severely hampered during the defeat.
This time around, and after several months including surgery to correct the problem, it's hard to see how Haye could carry on with any sort of future encounter if there's no improvement after eight months.
Promoter Eddie Hearn was staging an event on a Sunday for only the second time in his Matchroom tenure, but should Haye confirm his cancellation - which is a very real possibility - the plug would then have to be pulled on the Sky Box Office date.
Should the fight continue, Bellew's underdog odds of 9/4 with some UK bookmakers would alter dramatically to combat what could be a fourth loss for Haye next month.
In the co-feature, British super-middleweight champion Rocky Fielding is set to battle Erik Skoglund in his bid to push forward towards a world title shot.
Absolutely no surprise whatsoever. No way at his age, with the lack of running these guys do is his Achilles going to mend.
I said before this would happen and he should retire immediately. And the major bonus is, if this fight is off, I can see Bellew retiring as well.
Where is he gonna make the same kind of money ? Whyte? nah. Tyson Fury comeback? Maybe, but no guarantee of that ever happening either. So Bellew will be fucked as well. ;D
What is it with them not running these days? I know Conor McGregor doesn't run at all and I'm pretty sure that Wilder doesn't do any running eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I think it's ridiculous.everybody tries to use "Modern Technology " and New Age training methods, it's bollocks. At the end of the day, a Boxer still needs miles in his legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanWhat is it with them not running these days? I know Conor McGregor doesn't run at all and I'm pretty sure that Wilder doesn't do any running eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I'd bet a pound to a piece of shit that Floyd did his fair share of roadwork.
The impact of running on the knees and other joints are damaging the older you get and if you are injured then it makes them worse. Tyson Fury at his peak hardly did any road work.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanWhat is it with them not running these days? I know Conor McGregor doesn't run at all and I'm pretty sure that Wilder doesn't do any running eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I would be so happy if this event is called off.
Mate, I don't care how much knees and joints are damaged, without some miles in your legs , you will always struggle to make the distance. "Fury at his Peak!" sorry I must've missed that, I just saw someone throw single digit punches per round one night and get away with it. Master gameplan never to be repeated. anyway, I've seen footage of Tyson running in the hills and countryside at the time that he was such a superhero. Even the bit when he tried to jump the gate and went flying ! ;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe impact of running on the knees and other joints are damaging the older you get and if you are injured then it makes them worse. Tyson Fury at his peak hardly did any road work.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanWhat is it with them not running these days? I know Conor McGregor doesn't run at all and I'm pretty sure that Wilder doesn't do any running eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I would be so happy if this event is called off.
I'm not saying that they have to run marathons , but they all need miles in their legs . There is no excuse, fuck me , nowadays you can even get access to Anti Gravity treadmills, they are Brilliant! (I've tried them) top Footballers and Rugby players use them as a rehab tool when they have had knee injuries etc.
I would love @AdamGB to reply to this with his thoughts , because although he hasn't posted for years to my knowledge, he seemed to be extremely knowledgeable about boxing training techniques.
final note. regarding Conor McGregor not running, that is a perfect example of why you need to! He gassed badly in the later rounds because he never had any stamina. It's not like the fight was fought at an unusually fast pace.
He gets away with it in MMA, because fights are more explosive and never last as long . But it's just yet another startling example of bad preparation from him and his team. I really can't believe the world fell for this bullshit, but hey I've got to let it go!