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How many times have you heard a great boxer always beats a great fighter?
We saw Ohara embarrassed the other day in quality boxing from Josh Taylor, and we all remember the JC boxing clinic against Lacy.
What other fights did you enjoy where the art of boxing nullified and outclassed a pure fighter..and vice versa.
They say that in the great big heavyweights fights the fighter mainly beats the boxer from Louis v Schmeling, Rocky v Walcott, Liston v Patterson, Frazier v Ali 1, Tyson v Spinks, Joshua v Wlad.
The exceptions are Tunney v Dempsey and Ali v Liston,Foreman/Fraizer
Try applying that to Lennox.
You got Frazier as the Boxer in one example and the Fighter in another??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No. Frazier beat Ali was the first example of a fighter beating a boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou got Frazier as the Boxer in one example and the Fighter in another??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I do not count Lennox v Tyson as it was not best v best just as I do not count Tyson v Holmes.
Always liked Byrd-Tua. Certainly not great but Ishida punching holes through Kirkland was good.
Right , so you've got Frazier (Fighter) beating Ali (Boxer) . then you quote as an exception Foreman v Frazier . This means that you are quoting Foreman as a Boxer rather than a fighter , is that correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo. Frazier beat Ali was the first example of a fighter beating a boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou got Frazier as the Boxer in one example and the Fighter in another??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I do not count Lennox v Tyson as it was not best v best just as I do not count Tyson v Holmes.
Because George Foreman doesn't exactly stand out to me as some kind of Technical Boxer.
if so, does that mean the Ali/Foreman was a case of Boxer v Boxer?
You a lawyer in real life? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraRight , so you've got Frazier (Fighter) beating Ali (Boxer) . then you quote as an exception Foreman v Frazier . This means that you are quoting Foreman as a Boxer rather than a fighter , is that correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo. Frazier beat Ali was the first example of a fighter beating a boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou got Frazier as the Boxer in one example and the Fighter in another??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I do not count Lennox v Tyson as it was not best v best just as I do not count Tyson v Holmes.
Because George Foreman doesn't exactly stand out to me as some kind of Technical Boxer.
if so, does that mean the Ali/Foreman was a case of Boxer v Boxer?
Ali is an exception and what I was meaning was that Ali beat these fighters Liston, Foreman and Fraizer
Foreman could've whipped Ali in Zaire if he just used his jab and saved his power for later rounds. I never saw ropes so loose in my life and Ali was pushing down on Foreman's head and neck 100s of times = DQ
Get your grammar right man! Why didn't you put "&" instead of a slash? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou a lawyer in real life? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraRight , so you've got Frazier (Fighter) beating Ali (Boxer) . then you quote as an exception Foreman v Frazier . This means that you are quoting Foreman as a Boxer rather than a fighter , is that correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo. Frazier beat Ali was the first example of a fighter beating a boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou got Frazier as the Boxer in one example and the Fighter in another??Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I do not count Lennox v Tyson as it was not best v best just as I do not count Tyson v Holmes.
Because George Foreman doesn't exactly stand out to me as some kind of Technical Boxer.
if so, does that mean the Ali/Foreman was a case of Boxer v Boxer?
Ali is an exception and what I was meaning was that Ali beat these fighters Liston, Foreman and Fraizer
Ali was way too good for Foreman. Even when he was was on the ropes , he was still coming off them by connecting regularly on Foreman. He didn't just play possum. He gave Foreman a lesson!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
This is what most people don't realise about good "Boxers", they are usually tough cunts as well. Nobody can avoid being punched their whole careers, it's how they react that is key.
Floyd is the perfect example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAli was way too good for Foreman. Even when he was was on the ropes , he was still coming off them by connecting regularly on Foreman. He didn't just play possum. He gave Foreman a lesson!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
This is what most people don't realise about good "Boxers", they are usually tough cunts as well. Nobody can avoid being punched their whole careers, it's how they react that is key.
Really tough getting bit on the thumb by Maidana and crying about it or fighting a 0 fight novice.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by impFloyd is the perfect example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAli was way too good for Foreman. Even when he was was on the ropes , he was still coming off them by connecting regularly on Foreman. He didn't just play possum. He gave Foreman a lesson!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
This is what most people don't realise about good "Boxers", they are usually tough cunts as well. Nobody can avoid being punched their whole careers, it's how they react that is key.
And the other 48...?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReally tough getting bit on the thumb by Maidana and crying about it or fighting a 0 fight novice.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by impFloyd is the perfect example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAli was way too good for Foreman. Even when he was was on the ropes , he was still coming off them by connecting regularly on Foreman. He didn't just play possum. He gave Foreman a lesson!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
This is what most people don't realise about good "Boxers", they are usually tough cunts as well. Nobody can avoid being punched their whole careers, it's how they react that is key.
Crying like a girl after beating Gatti, having catch weights, delayed the biggest fight of his generation.... absolute tough guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by impAnd the other 48...?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReally tough getting bit on the thumb by Maidana and crying about it or fighting a 0 fight novice.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by impFloyd is the perfect example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAli was way too good for Foreman. Even when he was was on the ropes , he was still coming off them by connecting regularly on Foreman. He didn't just play possum. He gave Foreman a lesson!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
This is what most people don't realise about good "Boxers", they are usually tough cunts as well. Nobody can avoid being punched their whole careers, it's how they react that is key.
I don't believe there are pure boxers and pure fighters. Even guys like Ricardo Mayorga showcased some boxing skill. How do you quantify each? Most people (especially casual fans) would label Mike Tyson as a fighter, but he had incredible boxing technique ingrained in him.
Dunno what you’re getting so pissy about, @imp is bang on! Look how he reacted when Mosley hit him clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCrying like a girl after beating Gatti, having catch weights, delayed the biggest fight of his generation.... absolute tough guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by impAnd the other 48...?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReally tough getting bit on the thumb by Maidana and crying about it or fighting a 0 fight novice.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by impFloyd is the perfect example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAli was way too good for Foreman. Even when he was was on the ropes , he was still coming off them by connecting regularly on Foreman. He didn't just play possum. He gave Foreman a lesson!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
This is what most people don't realise about good "Boxers", they are usually tough cunts as well. Nobody can avoid being punched their whole careers, it's how they react that is key.
That’s what champions do. As for all the crap you mentioned about him, half of it was ridiculous and meaningless while the other half was blatantly untrue.
Still it doesn’t matter because you managed to get your daily mention of Floyd in.😂👍
Old Shane landing the right hand, imagine what Hearns would have done with the tough guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDunno what you’re getting so pissy about, @imp is bang on! Look how he reacted when Mosley hit him clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCrying like a girl after beating Gatti, having catch weights, delayed the biggest fight of his generation.... absolute tough guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by impAnd the other 48...?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterReally tough getting bit on the thumb by Maidana and crying about it or fighting a 0 fight novice.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by impFloyd is the perfect example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAli was way too good for Foreman. Even when he was was on the ropes , he was still coming off them by connecting regularly on Foreman. He didn't just play possum. He gave Foreman a lesson!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
This is what most people don't realise about good "Boxers", they are usually tough cunts as well. Nobody can avoid being punched their whole careers, it's how they react that is key.
That’s what champions do. As for all the crap you mentioned about him, half of it was ridiculous and meaningless while the other half was blatantly untrue.
Still it doesn’t matter because you managed to get your daily mention of Floyd in.😂👍
I think Hearns would have beaten Floyd, and I do rank Floyd very highly. But Hearns' reach, power, speed and boxing skill I think would be too much for Floyd. Plus Floyd didn't have the power to really hurt Hearns like Leonard did.
I agree, styles makes fights and Hearns would've beat Floyd. But Floyd was a much smaller guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree, styles makes fights and Hearns would've beat Floyd. But Floyd was a much smaller guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99
This is true. Floyd started at 130 and I think Hearns started at 147, so I guess it really isn't a fair fight per se.
Floyd would not have fought him, he would have been too busy fighting Baldimor and Judah to fit into his busy schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree, styles makes fights and Hearns would've beat Floyd. But Floyd was a much smaller guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99
This is true. Floyd started at 130 and I think Hearns started at 147, so I guess it really isn't a fair fight per se.
Floyd is tiny..Hearns is huge.
In a same weight dream situation why wouldn't Floyd figure Hearns out like Leonard did and box his ears off?
(That's the pretty boy version by the way).
Well ok, you can stay in denial, but whoever he fought he fought and guess what, he WON every single fucking time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFloyd would not have fought him, he would have been too busy fighting Baldimor and Judah to fit into his busy schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree, styles makes fights and Hearns would've beat Floyd. But Floyd was a much smaller guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99
This is true. Floyd started at 130 and I think Hearns started at 147, so I guess it really isn't a fair fight per se.
So he's not the GOAT, is that a reason to constantly dig at him? Pathetic really. Accept that he was the best of his generation, respect his skill in the ring, even if you think he's a cunt out of the ring.
Who fought and beat better than he has in the last 15 years? Yep, thought as much.
Manny Pac has achieved better considering the weight he started. The zero means nothing if you do not challenge yourself and just stay in the comfort zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell ok, you can stay in denial, but whoever he fought he fought and guess what, he WON every single fucking time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFloyd would not have fought him, he would have been too busy fighting Baldimor and Judah to fit into his busy schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree, styles makes fights and Hearns would've beat Floyd. But Floyd was a much smaller guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99
This is true. Floyd started at 130 and I think Hearns started at 147, so I guess it really isn't a fair fight per se.
So he's not the GOAT, is that a reason to constantly dig at him? Pathetic really. Accept that he was the best of his generation, respect his skill in the ring, even if you think he's a cunt out of the ring.
Who fought and beat better than he has in the last 15 years? Yep, thought as much.
And who beat Manny Pac? Don't chat shit mate. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterManny Pac has achieved better considering the weight he started. The zero means nothing if you do not challenge yourself and just stay in the comfort zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell ok, you can stay in denial, but whoever he fought he fought and guess what, he WON every single fucking time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFloyd would not have fought him, he would have been too busy fighting Baldimor and Judah to fit into his busy schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree, styles makes fights and Hearns would've beat Floyd. But Floyd was a much smaller guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99
This is true. Floyd started at 130 and I think Hearns started at 147, so I guess it really isn't a fair fight per se.
So he's not the GOAT, is that a reason to constantly dig at him? Pathetic really. Accept that he was the best of his generation, respect his skill in the ring, even if you think he's a cunt out of the ring.
Who fought and beat better than he has in the last 15 years? Yep, thought as much.
Stop acting ignorant. Manny's record is better than Floyds and far more impressive. Manny shone brighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAnd who beat Manny Pac? Don't chat shit mate. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterManny Pac has achieved better considering the weight he started. The zero means nothing if you do not challenge yourself and just stay in the comfort zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell ok, you can stay in denial, but whoever he fought he fought and guess what, he WON every single fucking time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFloyd would not have fought him, he would have been too busy fighting Baldimor and Judah to fit into his busy schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree, styles makes fights and Hearns would've beat Floyd. But Floyd was a much smaller guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99
This is true. Floyd started at 130 and I think Hearns started at 147, so I guess it really isn't a fair fight per se.
So he's not the GOAT, is that a reason to constantly dig at him? Pathetic really. Accept that he was the best of his generation, respect his skill in the ring, even if you think he's a cunt out of the ring.
Who fought and beat better than he has in the last 15 years? Yep, thought as much.
Even hardcore PAC fans have accepted his place in history Master...just let it go..nothing wrong with 2nd place.
Pac is a future hall of famer..right next to Marquez.
Come on Master, for fucks sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterStop acting ignorant. Manny's record is better than Floyds and far more impressive. Manny shone brighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAnd who beat Manny Pac? Don't chat shit mate. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterManny Pac has achieved better considering the weight he started. The zero means nothing if you do not challenge yourself and just stay in the comfort zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell ok, you can stay in denial, but whoever he fought he fought and guess what, he WON every single fucking time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFloyd would not have fought him, he would have been too busy fighting Baldimor and Judah to fit into his busy schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree, styles makes fights and Hearns would've beat Floyd. But Floyd was a much smaller guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannl99
This is true. Floyd started at 130 and I think Hearns started at 147, so I guess it really isn't a fair fight per se.
So he's not the GOAT, is that a reason to constantly dig at him? Pathetic really. Accept that he was the best of his generation, respect his skill in the ring, even if you think he's a cunt out of the ring.
Who fought and beat better than he has in the last 15 years? Yep, thought as much.
Manny did better in shorter space of time. His rise was phenomenal. Even Floyd got scared.
Floyd waited until after Manny peaked to fight him.
I can't be bothered with you trying to rewrite history, but......Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
1. It takes 2 to delay a fight. Manny wouldn't take the drug tests (explaining his "phenomenal rise") cos he was scared of needles, until he needed the money, then he overcame his fear.
2. Floyd got so scared that he gave Manny a boxing lesson.
3. You do know Floyd is 2 years OLDER than Manny right? Oh wait, it's Floyd's fault Manny couldn't maintain his standards even though Manny is 2 years YOUNGER!
Dear oh dear.
At least you recognise the "phenomenal rise" which glowed far brighter than anything Floyd did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI can't be bothered with you trying to rewrite history, but......Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
1. It takes 2 to delay a fight. Manny wouldn't take the drug tests (explaining his "phenomenal rise") cos he was scared of needles, until he needed the money, then he overcame his fear.
2. Floyd got so scared that he gave Manny a boxing lesson.
3. You do know Floyd is 2 years OLDER than Manny right? Oh wait, it's Floyd's fault Manny couldn't maintain his standards even though Manny is 2 years YOUNGER!
Dear oh dear.
Floyd may have given Manny a boxing lesson but he had lost to Bradley and KTFO by Marquez so was damaged goods by then.
You and your obsession with age. There is a difference between chronological age and boxing age. Fighters who come from lower weights age far more quicker and have shorter careers in boxing.
Pac had an amazing career and offered much more entertainment value than Floyd, but Floyd beat him in the end and will be remembered as the better fighter, especially by casuals and non-fans who just know Floyd was never beaten.
"History is always written by the winners", as the saying goes. I think Pac ultimately let down a lot of people when he couldn't do the damage to Floyd that everyone wanted him to.
:dummespost::lolololol::horseshit::LOS::LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAt least you recognise the "phenomenal rise" which glowed far brighter than anything Floyd did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI can't be bothered with you trying to rewrite history, but......Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
1. It takes 2 to delay a fight. Manny wouldn't take the drug tests (explaining his "phenomenal rise") cos he was scared of needles, until he needed the money, then he overcame his fear.
2. Floyd got so scared that he gave Manny a boxing lesson.
3. You do know Floyd is 2 years OLDER than Manny right? Oh wait, it's Floyd's fault Manny couldn't maintain his standards even though Manny is 2 years YOUNGER!
Dear oh dear.
Floyd may have given Manny a boxing lesson but he had lost to Bradley and KTFO by Marquez so was damaged goods by then.
You and your obsession with age. There is a difference between chronological age and boxing age. Fighters who come from lower weights age far more quicker and have shorter careers in boxing.