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US no boxing power anymore!
Here is an article about the US and its lack of World champion boxers. The US no longer monopolizes Boxings world titles, and it has been moving this direction for a while now. In the US boxing has not attracted the best athletes for quite some time now. I believe that the world has surpassed the US in quality of boxers awhile ago. The US fighters will still get titles, but it is no longer in the heavy divsions (SMW and up).
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=6518&more=1
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PBF, Winky Wright, Jermain Taylor, Tarver, Hopkins, Corrales, Mosley, Vargas, De la Hoya......excuse me???
The US is at a crossroads but we are by NO means "not a boxing power"
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
Here is an article about the US and its lack of World champion boxers. The US no longer monopolizes Boxings world titles, and it has been moving this direction for a while now. In the US boxing has not attracted the best athletes for quite some time now. I believe that the world has surpassed the US in quality of boxers awhile ago. The US fighters will still get titles, but it is no longer in the heavy divsions (SMW and up).
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=6518&more=1
from a british perspective certain elements may be true. however the US still has some of the best facilities and obviously the population of the country makes a big difference so its gotta be only a matter of time. Things are not that bad now actually. I remember a statement from a British boxing writer who said that theres probably a fighter in a US gym sparring whose good enough to win a British title.
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Yeah it's funny a country than spawned Audley would complain about the US
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A lot of those fighters mentioned, Lyle, are getting old pretty soon.
Who's gonna replace them? Didn't our sole gold metalist get knocked down already, by someone with more losses than wins?
All United States cares about these days is Football. Then it's basketball and the rest.
Way at the bottom, there is Boxing. The gym at my CITY is a worn torn down storage place. Where if you train hard, you get "high" off of the paint thinner fumes that also kills your brain cells.
Other than that, it's easy to find dojos and karate places. Future for U.S. boxing dominance is at a HUGE question mark right now. But I think your going to agree with me on this?
The future boxers who will represent America, by a large factor, is going to come from the Latino communities in U.S. which are growing. Is that too controversial to say?
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to say that US is not a boxing power is a foolish thing to say. we have calzaghe, woods and hatton. but the US still is the dominate force in the sport
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Originally Posted by LBSCFC
to say that US is not a boxing power is a foolish thing to say. we have calzaghe, woods and hatton. but the US still is the dominate force in the sport
It is foolish, but as I was saying... the future is bleak for U.S. dominance. But I also say more, but I don't want to repeat myself. ;D
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Originally Posted by Lyle
PBF, Winky Wright, Jermain Taylor, Tarver, Hopkins, Corrales, Mosley, Vargas, De la Hoya......excuse me???
The US is at a crossroads but we are by NO means "not a boxing power"
Like I said:
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
In the US boxing has not attracted the best athletes for quite some time now. I believe that the world has surpassed the US in quality of boxers awhile ago. The US fighters will still get titles, but it is no longer in the heavy divsions (SMW and up).
Boxing no longer attracts the athletes that it once did. As far as the quality of boxers in the US it mostly lies in the smaller weights (Middle on down). And all of the boxers that you mentioned are at the smaller weights. Taylor is the only one you mentioned that is still has another 5-10 yrs of potetial ahead of him. The rest have been around awhile, and there is not really a lot of fighters behind them waiting to take their place amoung the world elite.
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Alrighty fight fans HERE WE GOOOOOO
FYI (* = these aren't sure things but it's guys I like so far)
Heavy: Chambers, Brock, Scott*, Vargas*, Kevin Johnson*, Jason Estrada*, Johnnie White*
168: Lacy, Dawson, Allan Green, Curtis Stevens*
Middle: Taylor, Pavlik, Powell,
Welter: Holt, Paul Williams*, Rock Allen
THE PETERSONS are also very good
US boxing is fine it's just going through a "changing of the guard" if you will whereas the UK had no guard to change
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Alrighty fight fans HERE WE GOOOOOO
FYI (* = these aren't sure things but it's guys I like so far)
Heavy: Chambers, Brock, Scott*, Vargas*, Kevin Johnson*, Jason Estrada*, Johnnie White*
168: Lacy, Dawson, Allan Green, Curtis Stevens*
Middle: Taylor, Pavlik, Powell,
Welter: Holt, Paul Williams*, Rock Allen
THE PETERSONS are also very good
US boxing is fine it's just going through a "changing of the guard" if you will whereas the UK had no guard to change
Nice explaination. I do like Vargas, but he is a small heavy. I was suprised he didn't win big at the Olympics, he looked like a million bucks when I watched him.
I'm not worried about U.S. boxers representin', I'm worried about the ship slowly sinking, you get me? But then again, I don't care, because real boxing fans know that this era kicks *ss. And the future looks good too. ;D
My favorite young gun, is Amir Kahn. 8) I hope he can make it big.
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lets not turn this into US v UK
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Alrighty fight fans HERE WE GOOOOOO
FYI (* = these aren't sure things but it's guys I like so far)
Heavy: Chambers, Brock, Scott*, Vargas*, Kevin Johnson*, Jason Estrada*, Johnnie White*
168: Lacy, Dawson, Allan Green, Curtis Stevens*
Middle: Taylor, Pavlik, Powell,
Welter: Holt, Paul Williams*, Rock Allen
THE PETERSONS are also very good
US boxing is fine it's just going through a "changing of the guard" if you will whereas the UK had no guard to change
Heres some more.
Vicente Escobedo
Chad Dawson
Raul Martinez
Nestor Rocha
Mike Oliver
Jason Litzau
Gary Stark Jr.
Demetrius Hopkins
Allan Green
Rock Allan
Adrian Mora
The Petersons
Curtis Stevens
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The U.S. isn't as powerful as it was, but we still have some good fighters. And I'm sure new fighters will arise. Seeing fighters from all over the world become champs, creates more of a world stage, and is good for the sport.
I personally would like boxing to be more popular in the States. But, baseball,football,basketball,{pro and college}, nascar, golf,tennis and other sports get more TV time and exposure.
Damnit, the cable networks need to provide an all boxing network. I mean, come on, there's an all-golf channel!
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Alrighty fight fans HERE WE GOOOOOO
FYI (* = these aren't sure things but it's guys I like so far)
Heavy: Chambers, Brock, Scott*, Vargas*, Kevin Johnson*, Jason Estrada*, Johnnie White*
168: Lacy, Dawson, Allan Green, Curtis Stevens*
Middle: Taylor, Pavlik, Powell,
Welter: Holt, Paul Williams*, Rock Allen
THE PETERSONS are also very good
US boxing is fine it's just going through a "changing of the guard" if you will whereas the UK had no guard to change
:coolclick: for the list. Time will tell if this is truly a downturn for US boxers or just a "changing of the guard" as you said.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Alrighty fight fans HERE WE GOOOOOO
FYI (* = these aren't sure things but it's guys I like so far)
Heavy: Chambers, Brock, Scott*, Vargas*, Kevin Johnson*, Jason Estrada*, Johnnie White*
168: Lacy, Dawson, Allan Green, Curtis Stevens*
Middle: Taylor, Pavlik, Powell,
Welter: Holt, Paul Williams*, Rock Allen
THE PETERSONS are also very good
US boxing is fine it's just going through a "changing of the guard" if you will whereas the UK had no guard to change
Heres some more.
Vicente Escobedo
Chad Dawson
Raul Martinez
Nestor Rocha
Mike Oliver
Jason Litzau
Gary Stark Jr.
Demetrius Hopkins
Allan Green
Rock Allan
Adrian Mora
The Petersons
Curtis Stevens
Damn it I wanted to make a post like that ;D
:coolclick:
The US will ALWAYS be a power in boxing. We have to many people and to many facilities for us not to be.
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Alrighty fight fans HERE WE GOOOOOO
FYI (* = these aren't sure things but it's guys I like so far)
Heavy: Chambers, Brock, Scott*, Vargas*, Kevin Johnson*, Jason Estrada*, Johnnie White*
168: Lacy, Dawson, Allan Green, Curtis Stevens*
Middle: Taylor, Pavlik, Powell,
Welter: Holt, Paul Williams*, Rock Allen
THE PETERSONS are also very good
US boxing is fine it's just going through a "changing of the guard" if you will whereas the UK had no guard to change
Heres some more.
Vicente Escobedo
Chad Dawson
Raul Martinez
Nestor Rocha
Mike Oliver
Jason Litzau
Gary Stark Jr.
Demetrius Hopkins
Allan Green
Rock Allan
Adrian Mora
The Petersons
Curtis Stevens
Damn it I wanted to make a post like that ;D
:coolclick:
The US will ALWAYS be a power in boxing. We have to many people and to many facilities for us not to be.
Remember I did it so you wouldn't have to ;)
Back at ya'.
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Damn! With all these good US fighters, can I get that all-boxing network now?
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Am I being a pessimist?
All those fighters aren't really the next coming? heh
Do any of those fighters have the "look" to become great?
Like a young Mayweather? Granted Mayweather's talent is rare.
I'm willing to say I am ignorant. That is why I'm asking you, because Demetrius Hopkins and Jason Litzau, to me.... look so beatable. :toothout:
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Am I being a pessimist?
All those fighters aren't really the next coming? heh
Do any of those fighters have the "look" to become great?
Like a young Mayweather? Granted Mayweather's talent is rare.
I'm willing to say I am ignorant. That is why I'm asking you, because Demetrius Hopkins and Jason Litzau, to me.... look so beatable. :toothout:
Did you see the Litzau fight on ESPN Classic the other night? That's the only fight I've seen of his, but it looks like he needs some defence? Has he gotten better? Because he won, but he probably would have been KOd if the other guy was a finisher.
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On Litzau, his fights are exciting and he does have skill. I have no problem being a future fan of his, but I just have this feeling he's going to be laid out. haha By someone who can take advantage of his defense.
I mean, Oscar de la Hoya looked amazing when he was coming up. So did Roy Jones Jr.
How about Pernell Whitaker? ??? Even Fernando Vargas looked amazing when young. Sugar Ray Leonard? George Foreman, who's having a controversial thread, as we type. Am I hatin'? heh Or am I expecting too much from U.S. ? Or am I not noticing the hidden talents, just as Hopkins was when he was young.
Mentioning fighters from California is cheating. ;D Because I KNOW many talents are coming from there. And forget about the East Side, who's best representative now is Zab Judah. heheh
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How about Escobedo he could be the next great American boxer.
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Am I being a pessimist?
All those fighters aren't really the next coming? heh
Do any of those fighters have the "look" to become great?
Like a young Mayweather? Granted Mayweather's talent is rare.
I'm willing to say I am ignorant. That is why I'm asking you, because Demetrius Hopkins and Jason Litzau, to me.... look so beatable. :toothout:
You tell me what young prospect looks unbeatable to you.......
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Am I being a pessimist?
All those fighters aren't really the next coming? heh
Do any of those fighters have the "look" to become great?
Like a young Mayweather? Granted Mayweather's talent is rare.
I'm willing to say I am ignorant. That is why I'm asking you, because Demetrius Hopkins and Jason Litzau, to me.... look so beatable. :toothout:
Did you see the Litzau fight on ESPN Classic the other night? That's the only fight I've seen of his, but it looks like he needs some defence? Has he gotten better? Because he won, but he probably would have been KOd if the other guy was a finisher.
Yeah!! your right, Jason is a crazy kid who likes to live on the fwocken edge of life, he said in a interview hes "high on life" ;D
His idol is Arturo Gatti and said if he could do what Gatti has done for boxing inside the ring (meaning the wars he had) he would be very satisfied with himself. He said when he steps into the ring he want's to give the people what they paid for a "show" (not always a good idea) as he himself said he got sloppy in the ring in that fight and wanted to give the fans a show. He said he learned his lesson but it's hard to back down once hes trading in the ring.
So will see what turns out.
Oh! yeah!! left these guys out
Yusaf Mack
Steve Cunningham
Felix Cora Jr.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Am I being a pessimist?
All those fighters aren't really the next coming? heh
Do any of those fighters have the "look" to become great?
Like a young Mayweather? Granted Mayweather's talent is rare.
I'm willing to say I am ignorant. That is why I'm asking you, because Demetrius Hopkins and Jason Litzau, to me.... look so beatable. :toothout:
You tell me what young prospect looks unbeatable to you.......
Ahggh, your right!!!
cc in 24, for putting me against ropes. ;)
But a majority of these future American fighters, who are good, are coming from Latino communities. Even Shane Mosley benifited from Southern L.A. I mean... boxing is important to those places, very competitive.
Or am I imagining this? Or maybe I'm biased because I see many young fighters spar there, via Maxboxing.com membership, so I keep track of them easier. East Side U.S.'s prospect Jaidon Codrington was apart of best KO by ring magazine, except he was on the wrong end of it. And I just don't think D. Hopkins has it, mentally, but that's just my opinion. I just think the rest of U.S. is too focused on the rest of sports, even hockey.
Wild Card gym baby! :D I'm going to visit that place, next time I go to Cali. ;)
p.s. I'm not Mexican. heh
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Am I being a pessimist?
All those fighters aren't really the next coming? heh
Do any of those fighters have the "look" to become great?
Like a young Mayweather? Granted Mayweather's talent is rare.
I'm willing to say I am ignorant. That is why I'm asking you, because Demetrius Hopkins and Jason Litzau, to me.... look so beatable. :toothout:
You tell me what young prospect looks unbeatable to you.......
Ahggh, your right!!!
cc in 24, for putting me against ropes. ;)
But a majority of these future American fighters, who are good, are coming from Latino communities. Even Shane Mosley benifited from Southern L.A. I mean... boxing is important to those places, very competitive.
Or am I imagining this? Or maybe I'm biased because I see many young fighters spar there, via Maxboxing.com membership, so I keep track of them easier. East Side U.S.'s prospect Jaidon Codrington was apart of best KO by ring magazine, except he was on the wrong end of it. And I just don't think D. Hopkins has it, mentally, but that's just my opinion. I just think the rest of U.S. is too focused on the rest of sports, even hockey.
Wild Card gym baby! :D I'm going to visit that place, next time I go to Cali. ;)
I modified too much!
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Am I being a pessimist?
All those fighters aren't really the next coming? heh
Do any of those fighters have the "look" to become great?
Like a young Mayweather? Granted Mayweather's talent is rare.
I'm willing to say I am ignorant. That is why I'm asking you, because Demetrius Hopkins and Jason Litzau, to me.... look so beatable. :toothout:
You tell me what young prospect looks unbeatable to you.......
Ahggh, your right!!!
cc in 24, for putting me against ropes. ;)
But a majority of these future American fighters, who are good, are coming from Latino communities. Even Shane Mosley benifited from Southern L.A. I mean... boxing is important to those places, very competitive.
Or am I imagining this? Or maybe I'm biased because I see many young fighters spar there, via Maxboxing.com membership, so I keep track of them easier. East Side U.S.'s prospect Jaidon Codrington was apart of best KO by ring magazine, except he was on the wrong end of it. And I just don't think D. Hopkins has it, mentally, but that's just my opinion. I just think the rest of U.S. is too focused on the rest of sports, even hockey.
Wild Card gym baby! :D I'm going to visit that place, next time I go to Cali. ;)
I modified too much!
;D no worries, just thought maybe you had seen an ubeatable prospect ;)
I also think a lot of up and comers, land here in So. Cal. because of the facilities that are here.
Wild Card is just the begining. La Brea Boxing Club, Solid Rock, Bell Gardens Boxing Gym, LA Boxing Club, Glendale PAL Boxing Gym, Bomb Squad Gym, La Habra Boxing Club, Hollywood Boxing Gym, ODLH Boxing Youth Center, Maywood Boxing Club, Teamsters Boxing Club
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Of course the US is a boxing power, but the Cubans are still the best fighters in the world !!
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Yeah because 30 year olds are fighting teenagers everywhere else.
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To say the US is no longer a boxing power is foolish 8)