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Groves v Eubank Jnr - WBSS Semi Final 17/2/18
I'm pretty much in agreement with the guy who wrote this, Groves hits hard and will have a BIG weight advantage but I can't help thinking that if Eubank can soak it up will Groves burn out late on?
This is one fight that seriously intruiges
http://www.ringnews24.com/2018/01/09.../#.WlTnXXOnzqA
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This is a hard fight to call and Groves looks bigger than Junior. He also has the experience and jab to give Eubank issues.
I just think Junior will catch Groves and finish him off in the fight.
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Yes, Groves is bigger and he has good power and a very decent jab. His boxing skills are good too.
However, he really does have a stamina issue. He gasses out after the sixth nearly every time, and I do wonder about his mental strength if things go against him.
While we know what we are getting with Groves, Eubank is more of a conundrum. I don't think he has peaked yet.
He comes across as a bit of a prick, but he has shown good technique, nice power and a good chin and engine.
This is a good matchup isn't it?
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It's a top end UK matchup this one with a brilliant clash of Styles.
There's a very good chance Eubank will end up on his ass from.a huge Groves right hand counter in round 1 just like Froch did.
Eubanks needs to be careful early on.... or does he?
If Eubank can take Groves Power then he wins by a stoppage mid to late rounds.
It really does hinge on whether or not Eubank can take that right hand.
Don't see any way at all that this isn't a classic UK tear up.
Can't wait for this one
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It's an excellent match up, like X said, we don't really know where Eubank is at yet. He looked fantastic last out but Groves is more experienced and will be very tough to beat.
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smashup
It's a top end UK matchup this one with a brilliant clash of Styles.
There's a very good chance Eubank will end up on his ass from.a huge Groves right hand counter in round 1 just like Froch did.
Eubanks needs to be careful early on.... or does he?
If Eubank can take Groves Power then he wins by a stoppage mid to late rounds.
It really does hinge on whether or not Eubank can take that right hand.
Don't see any way at all that this isn't a classic UK tear up.
Can't wait for this one
Don't forget if Eubank Junior can land that uppercut then it could be over for Groves as well.
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Groves by decision. He has the smarts get through it and outbox his man.
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Everybody knows where I stand on this fight. I believe Groves is too big, too heavy handed and too classy.
However , I don't discount the possibility of Groves gassing late on and Eubank taking him. I think that's Eubank's only chance. I can almost visualise the fight.
Round 1 - Groves, crouching, circling, pawing out the jab more as a distraction so Eubank can't get into any rhythm. Every time Eubank plants his foot to throw a heavy jab or overhand, Groves moves out of range.
Towards the end of the round or maybe in the 2nd round, Eubank gets a tad frustrated and lunges forward, BIG MISTAKE! Groves counters him........and again.
Depending on how many times he gets plugged coming in, we will then see what Eubank's stamina is like. It's great looking in great condition when you're attacking and connecting, but being hit saps your stamina.
More of the same lunging from Eubank in rounds 3-6 and if Groves can stay disciplined and on his game plan, he should've built a healthy lead.
This is not dissimilar to the Saunders v Eubank fight. in the 2nd half of the fight, it appeared that Eubank was getting back in the fight, but only because Saunders was seriously underconitioned.
I don't think Groves is that bad, and I also believe if the MW Saunders can ride that storm, I'm sure BIG SMW Groves can .
Look back at those last 6 rounds, and Eubank's work was very scruffy, almost bar room brawl stuff.
What about Eubank's speed? Yeah he's quick, but it's his hands that are quick and they're only quick when he's allowed to plant his feet in range.
He was allowed to do that against Abraham, because as we know, Abraham will stand there with his guard high and let him.
In his last fight, I thought he looked the best he's ever been. But what do we know about Yildirim at the top level?
We know he can dig because he knocked DeGale's teeth out in sparring, but very little movement.
It's a fight I'm really looking forward to, and I hope I've got it right, but obviously not a foregone conclusion.
Groves either by mid-late stoppage, or wide UD.
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One thing is certain, if Eubank can take Groves right hands Groves is gonna be made to work at a fierce pace.
Eubank is arguably one of the fittest fighters around today.
If it goes past 8 rounds I think Eubank stops him.
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Fight of the year for me.
If Eubank wins this he gets all the kudos in the world.
Imagine if he wins the super 6 and gets a rematch with billy Joe..
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Chris Eubank Jr vs George Groves: What date is the fight, what TV channel is it on and what are the odds?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/0/...-channel-odds/
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17th February ITV PPV bollocks.
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Groves does slow but if he could go 12 with Jack reasonably recently I don't think Eubank will put him away on stamina alone and I don't think Eubanks work is good enough to get a finish if he does get close to hurting Groves.
I think Groves via reasonable UD - but wouldn't like to bet money on it!
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not gonna lie, I'll be paying for this one. And I'm just waiting for Groves to drift even further in the betting market and then I'm gonna have a punt. Eubank could win , he has a chance for sure, but based on what they've both done and who they've both mixed it with, I honestly can't believe how Eubank can be favourite.
Still just goes to show how easily convinced the public are I suppose.
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I don’t think so, this is one of only a couple times I think Groves is the underdog.
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Vendettos
I don’t think so, this is one of only a couple times I think Groves is the underdog.
Don't get it. If this is only one of a couple of times Groves is underdog, when was the other time?
I'm really not trying to be flippant, but if I'm reading what you're saying correctly , he's more of an underdog than he was for one of the Froch fights, the Jack fight and the DeGale fight , is that right ?
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Vendettos
I don’t think so, this is one of only a couple times I think Groves is the underdog.
Don't get it. If this is only one of a couple of times Groves is underdog, when was the other time?
I'm really not trying to be flippant, but if I'm reading what you're saying correctly , he's more of an underdog than he was for one of the Froch fights, the Jack fight and the DeGale fight , is that right ?
Froch (first fight only) and Jack.
I’m my mind Groves was always too good for DeGale and I was annoyed the fight was as close as it was.
He was more of an underdog going into Froch and Jack fights, but in my mind Eubank is gonna have too much pace for him.
I’m not being a dick as Groves is one of my favourite fighters, but I see a late stoppage for Eubank.
I hope I’m wrong bro.
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Vendettos
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Primo Carnera
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Vendettos
I don’t think so, this is one of only a couple times I think Groves is the underdog.
Don't get it. If this is only one of a couple of times Groves is underdog, when was the other time?
I'm really not trying to be flippant, but if I'm reading what you're saying correctly , he's more of an underdog than he was for one of the Froch fights, the Jack fight and the DeGale fight , is that right ?
Froch (first fight only) and Jack.
I’m my mind Groves was always too good for DeGale and I was annoyed the fight was as close as it was.
He was more of an underdog going into Froch and Jack fights, but in my mind Eubank is gonna have too much pace for him.
I’m not being a dick as Groves is one of my favourite fighters, but I see a late stoppage for Eubank.
I hope I’m wrong bro.
That’s fair enough, I just wanted to make sure I understood you right. I don’t think you’re being a dick, but I don’t agree with what you’re saying.
Time will tell though.
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Read into this what you want but Froch is on record as saying his spars with Jnr were tougher than the second Groves fight and that Groves can't beat him.
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news...hris-eubank-jr
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I saw this and the first thing I thought is Froch is attention seeking because he feels a bit envious of these guys. So he has to say something dramatic.
When Groves won the title in his last but one fight, Froch was drooling over his performance and giving him a standing ovation and it felt like everything was in the past And everyone was being mature and moving on.
I might be out of order , but these irrational changing opinions and mood swings could well be down to what he puts up his nose.
Or , I might be wrong and I have no right to tell Froch how he felt in sparring Eubank Jr. whatever :rolleyes:
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I saw some footage of that sparring session, it might still be on YouTube.
I remember thinking at the time that Jnr more than held his own.
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smashup
I saw some footage of that sparring session, it might still be on YouTube.
I remember thinking at the time that Jnr more than held his own.
I also saw footage , and he did hold his own. But it was a spar. sometimes Boxers are working on different things in Sparring. Maybe Froch was working on defence and allowing Eubank to muscle him up a bit . A bit like attack v defence in football training. Not realistic.
putting this into perspective, this spar was a long time ago, BEFORE Eubank had even fought BJS. And we saw what Eubank was like against BJS. for the first 6 rounds , he was clueless and frustrated, only coming back into the fight in any way because of BJS's poor conditioning at that time.
So , do we see the Raw Eubank that lost to BJS as being good enough to beat Groves ? because in effect, that's what we're saying if we're taking that spar into consideration.
Ironically , Froch is basing his opinion on his spar with Eubank , but when he was fighting Groves , steadfastly refused to take the spar that they had into consideration . funny that isn't it? apparently , Froch floored Groves , Groves got up and dominated the rest of the spar. but that doesn't mean anything , does it?
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Just 6 of Eubank's 20 stoppages have come after the 6th round, all 6 were stopped on their feet (two complaining about it), 3 between rounds in the corner.
And, incidentally, if you fancy Groves, he's never stopped anyone past the 7th round, not even scored a knockdown.
Groves PTS is 4/1 / KO rds 1-6 is 5/1
Jr PTS is 3/1 / KO rds 1-6 4/1
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Primo Carnera
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smashup
I saw this and the first thing I thought is Froch is attention seeking because he feels a bit envious of these guys. So he has to say something dramatic.
When Groves won the title in his last but one fight, Froch was drooling over his performance and giving him a standing ovation and it felt like everything was in the past And everyone was being mature and moving on.
I might be out of order , but these irrational changing opinions and mood swings could well be down to what he puts up his nose.
Or , I might be wrong and I have no right to tell Froch how he felt in sparring Eubank Jr. whatever :rolleyes:
Christ! There must be a lot of it if Froch puts it up HIS hooter!
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Fenster
Just 6 of Eubank's 20 stoppages have come after the 6th round, all 6 were stopped on their feet (two complaining about it), 3 between rounds in the corner.
And, incidentally, if you fancy Groves, he's never stopped anyone past the 7th round, not even scored a knockdown.
Groves PTS is 4/1 / KO rds 1-6 is 5/1
Jr PTS is 3/1 / KO rds 1-6 4/1
Looking forward to a great fight, nice to see competitive odds that offer a good return either way you pick, what's not to like?
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Fenster
Just 6 of Eubank's 20 stoppages have come after the 6th round, all 6 were stopped on their feet (two complaining about it), 3 between rounds in the corner.
And, incidentally, if you fancy Groves, he's never stopped anyone past the 7th round, not even scored a knockdown.
Groves PTS is 4/1 / KO rds 1-6 is 5/1
Jr PTS is 3/1 / KO rds 1-6 4/1
Looking forward to a great fight, nice to see competitive odds that offer a good return either way you pick, what's not to like?
The fact that it is ITV PPV.
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Fenster
Just 6 of Eubank's 20 stoppages have come after the 6th round, all 6 were stopped on their feet (two complaining about it), 3 between rounds in the corner.
And, incidentally, if you fancy Groves, he's never stopped anyone past the 7th round, not even scored a knockdown.
Groves PTS is 4/1 / KO rds 1-6 is 5/1
Jr PTS is 3/1 / KO rds 1-6 4/1
Groves by decision sounds like a very fair bet. Eubank Jnr obviously has a chin and Groves is a very good boxer. Yep, think a Groves win on points is the most likely outcome.
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Primo Carnera
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smashup
I saw some footage of that sparring session, it might still be on YouTube.
I remember thinking at the time that Jnr more than held his own.
putting this into perspective, this spar was a long time ago, BEFORE Eubank had even fought BJS. And we saw what Eubank was like against BJS. for the first 6 rounds , he was clueless and frustrated, only coming back into the fight in any way because of BJS's poor conditioning at that time.
Puzzling that for such a big domestic scrap and build up, BJS would flunk on the physical conditioning.
Makes zero sense.
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Primo Carnera
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smashup
I saw some footage of that sparring session, it might still be on YouTube.
I remember thinking at the time that Jnr more than held his own.
putting this into perspective, this spar was a long time ago, BEFORE Eubank had even fought BJS. And we saw what Eubank was like against BJS. for the first 6 rounds , he was clueless and frustrated, only coming back into the fight in any way because of BJS's poor conditioning at that time.
Puzzling that for such a big domestic scrap and build up, BJS would flunk on the physical conditioning.
Makes zero sense.
I have a theory that the fittest fighters like Eubank and Holyfield train so hard that they know about getting tired and exhausted. So they make sure they keep some in reserve at all times.
Junior was inexperienced having not gone the distance and kept too much back and when he did start it was just too late to get a draw or victory. The fight was still close.
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Master
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sanatogen
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Primo Carnera
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smashup
I saw some footage of that sparring session, it might still be on YouTube.
I remember thinking at the time that Jnr more than held his own.
putting this into perspective, this spar was a long time ago, BEFORE Eubank had even fought BJS. And we saw what Eubank was like against BJS. for the first 6 rounds , he was clueless and frustrated, only coming back into the fight in any way because of BJS's poor conditioning at that time.
Puzzling that for such a big domestic scrap and build up, BJS would flunk on the physical conditioning.
Makes zero sense.
I have a theory that the fittest fighters like Eubank and Holyfield train so hard that they know about getting tired and exhausted. So they make sure they keep some in reserve at all times.
Junior was inexperienced having not gone the distance and kept too much back and when he did start it was just too late to get a draw or victory. The fight was still close.
Firstly, BJS didn't see it as such a big domestic scrap, he thought it would be easy. He cut corners and everybody knows he wasn't that dedicated at the time. Infact, he only said a week or two ago, that he was gonna jack it all in, and Frank Warren begged/persuaded him to go to Ingle.
Secondly, the fight wasn't even that close! BJS Won the first 6 rounds hands down, and 2 of the last 6 rounds which were very scrappy. That means he won by 4 rounds, not close really.
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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sanatogen
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Primo Carnera
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smashup
I saw some footage of that sparring session, it might still be on YouTube.
I remember thinking at the time that Jnr more than held his own.
putting this into perspective, this spar was a long time ago, BEFORE Eubank had even fought BJS. And we saw what Eubank was like against BJS. for the first 6 rounds , he was clueless and frustrated, only coming back into the fight in any way because of BJS's poor conditioning at that time.
Puzzling that for such a big domestic scrap and build up, BJS would flunk on the physical conditioning.
Makes zero sense.
I have a theory that the fittest fighters like Eubank and Holyfield train so hard that they know about getting tired and exhausted. So they make sure they keep some in reserve at all times.
Junior was inexperienced having not gone the distance and kept too much back and when he did start it was just too late to get a draw or victory. The fight was still close.
Firstly, BJS didn't see it as such a big domestic scrap, he thought it would be easy. He cut corners and everybody knows he wasn't that dedicated at the time. Infact, he only said a week or two ago, that he was gonna jack it all in, and Frank Warren begged/persuaded him to go to Ingle.
Secondly, the fight wasn't even that close! BJS Won the first 6 rounds hands down, and 2 of the last 6 rounds which were very scrappy. That means he won by 4 rounds, not close really.
Do not believe what BJS et al said about the fight. He was is the best condition he possibly could be at the time, no way was he not taking that fight seriously. It was a big grudge fight.
The fight was close, I had it a draw 5-1 the first half and 5-1 the second half.
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You need to watch it again.
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Primo Carnera
You need to watch it again.
That is how I scored it the first time and no point scoring it again.
It ended up a close fight for me and most people who know and understand boxing. ;)
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Primo Carnera
You need to watch it again.
That is how I scored it the first time and no point scoring it again.
It ended up a close fight for me and most people who know and understand boxing. ;)
Eubank came back well over the second half, it was too late though. He ran out of rounds. The right guy won.
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Master
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Primo Carnera
You need to watch it again.
That is how I scored it the first time and no point scoring it again.
It ended up a close fight for me and most people who know and understand boxing. ;)
Yeah , Whatever . :fyou: ;D
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Master
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Primo Carnera
You need to watch it again.
That is how I scored it the first time and no point scoring it again.
It ended up a close fight for me and most people who know and understand boxing. ;)
Eubank came back well over the second half, it was too late though. He ran out of rounds. The right guy won.
7-5 at most to Saunders. Next time will be different.
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Master
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Alpha
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Master
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Primo Carnera
You need to watch it again.
That is how I scored it the first time and no point scoring it again.
It ended up a close fight for me and most people who know and understand boxing. ;)
Eubank came back well over the second half, it was too late though. He ran out of rounds. The right guy won.
7-5 at most to Saunders. Next time will be different.
Right , so you've gone from draw to 7-5 in 24 hrs. By tomorrow BJS Will have won every round! Don't forget , it's alright scoring rounds for a guy coming forward, but he does ACTUALLY HAVE TO CONNECT every now and then.
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Master
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Alpha
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Master
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Primo Carnera
You need to watch it again.
That is how I scored it the first time and no point scoring it again.
It ended up a close fight for me and most people who know and understand boxing. ;)
Eubank came back well over the second half, it was too late though. He ran out of rounds. The right guy won.
7-5 at most to Saunders. Next time will be different.
Right , so you've gone from draw to 7-5 in 24 hrs. By tomorrow BJS Will have won every round! Don't forget , it's alright scoring rounds for a guy coming forward, but he does ACTUALLY HAVE TO CONNECT every now and then.
I am saying 6-6 or 7-5 I can see but 8-4 as you scored it is going into an easy and decisive decision.
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Master
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Master
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Primo Carnera
You need to watch it again.
That is how I scored it the first time and no point scoring it again.
It ended up a close fight for me and most people who know and understand boxing. ;)
Eubank came back well over the second half, it was too late though. He ran out of rounds. The right guy won.
7-5 at most to Saunders. Next time will be different.
Saunders has already embarrassed Eubank Jr why would he bother doing it again? I think Primo is right and Groves may have Jr's number. It would be a real shame to see the unbeatable Eubank Jr beaten again ;D