Thoughts on Eubank Jr and the wild, missing punches amateur display..
What is his next step?
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Thoughts on Eubank Jr and the wild, missing punches amateur display..
What is his next step?
Learn to box?
He can start by getting a proper trainer and base, start again at the beginning, learn the basic fundamentals.
Retire as Naz said
His corner was embarrassing - couldn't even tell the lad what round it was!!
Depends on his goals. If he wants to try to be world class like Fenster said he needs to learn to box. From his feet up he needs to learn it all.
If he wants to make some exciting fights and some money just get back in the ring with the best opponent he can get.
There are some fun domestic fights for him at 160 and 168, I hope this loss humbles him enough to snuff out that arrogance. Learn to walk before you can run and all. Drop his dad, get a proper trainer and get straight back in the gym next week and start learning the basics.
He waits too late to turn it up. Actually, I felt he won the Saunders fight. But he clearly lost the Groves fight. Eubank simply needs to get in the habit of fighting for 12 rounds EVERY round. He can't wait until the near end to turn up every single time.
Eubank Junior is an athletic person but can not box at a world class level. Just clueless and everyone at that level would simply outbox him every time.
Hmmmmmmm, 24 hours can make a big difference I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
It would be absolutely horrible if Jr was drafted in to fight in the final because of Groves injury.
Not because I can't stand Jr but because it would mean that the winner had already been beaten and it would devalue the competition, would they consider putting the date of the final back to allow groves to recover or is the date of the final set in stone?
That's if Groves injury is bad enough to rule him out of the current date of the final anyway.
Don't say things like that out loud mate. Fuck ...it makes your teeth hurt just thinking about it. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
The promoter, Sauerland, is Groves actual promoter as well as the tournament front man, he'll/they'll definitely postpone it for a matter of weeks.
Eubank was truly awful, he never threw a jab, was not active and just stood off. His attacks were amateurish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHmmmmmmm, 24 hours can make a big difference I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yep. Did you not think maybe that would be the case?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterEubank was truly awful, he never threw a jab, was not active and just stood off. His attacks were amateurish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHmmmmmmm, 24 hours can make a big difference I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyway, I've just seen Jnr's post fight press conference.
1. He thought he did enough
2. Groves head butted him a lot during the fight, doesn't know how he got away with it.
3. He'll either replace Groves in the final, or fight Truax, or go back down to MW, or fight DeGale or some other such fucking fantasy nonsense.
Sudden turnaround is because Eubank Junior was so poor beyond belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep. Did you not think maybe that would be the case? Very sudden turnaround in the space of 1 fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterEubank was truly awful, he never threw a jab, was not active and just stood off. His attacks were amateurish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHmmmmmmm, 24 hours can make a big difference I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Is it too late?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Are there any other fighters in the past that worked on their boxing to a level where they completely changed their style..
BJS beat him IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Is there more money for JR at 168 or 160...he looked small in there against Groves..Perhaps that wild swinging style will look tasty against GGG...still see him loosing though.
Triple G would destroy Eubank Junior, that performance was inept at the world class level.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Only Rocky when he beat Clubber Lang.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by impIs it too late?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Are there any other fighters in the past that worked on their boxing to a level where they completely changed their style..
Haha, funny you say that, because I posted on FB earlier, that his only hope was to go back to the beginning like When Rocky went to Detroit :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOnly Rocky when he beat Clubber Lang.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by impIs it too late?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Are there any other fighters in the past that worked on their boxing to a level where they completely changed their style..
Haha. I'm not on FB Mate. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HHaha, funny you say that, because I posted on FB earlier, that his only hope was to go back to the beginning like When Rocky went to Detroit :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOnly Rocky when he beat Clubber Lang.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by impIs it too late?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Are there any other fighters in the past that worked on their boxing to a level where they completely changed their style..
Glad its not just me, don't get me wrong I backed Groves at outrageously generous odds because I have always rated him. Whilst I recognise that EU has built a large amount of fans in his (short) career I really thought his performance was absolutely piss poor. I have to agree with most of you, 'learn to box' seems to be a cruel, but true, observation.
As has been already said, his chances against GGG are slim and none, and Slim just left town. Any promoter rash enough to stage it would be purely hoping for EU's remnant hipster fans turning up at £500 a pop for the live event, PPV receipts would be a record low.
Maybe he can get up the jungle like his old man?
Not a lot of regular press over here about him but has Eubank Sr ever publically ripped into him or wanted to walk away? All I've ever seen was constant praise to the point of almost smothering. Jr looked lost yesterday like he came with zero plan and unmotivated.
Eubank-GGG would be a tremendous fight, it's purely about styles.
Eubank can't deal with world-class slickster/movers/thinkers, it doesn't mean he can't beat world-class pressure fighters. For all the deserved shit his dad gets, he picked the right fights to suit his style, unfortunately though, the process created a one-dimensional hardman with zero boxing brain and no plan b.
Jr could beat current belt holders at 168 and beat current world-class middleweights.
Odd performance from Eubank. So timid in comparison to previous fights. Has to eat humble pie, desperate dan style and come back.
GGG is not just a pressure fighter, he has the skills to pick Junior off and take him apart when he has to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
GGG's jab alone would cause Eubank to stay away and fight at distance.
How much interest will there be in Jr's next fight?
The boxing fans have decided that Saturday night was more than enough evidence that he isn't in the elite, will they be able to drum up the same sort of interest from the casual fan next time?
Junior will want to fight in the final if Groves pulls out, his second hope is that he gets a shot at Truax, third hope is one of the other champs offers him a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
All hope and not real options.
All look unlikely.
Don't entirely agree with most of that , but it's neither here nor there . Team Eubank have dug themselves a Massive hole. Not only do they have to convince the public about their credibility, Their choice to not deal with a promoter means they have nobody fighting their corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Snr. as we all know , is an arrogant stubborn fucking idiot, who is impossible for promoters to deal with , simply because his opinion of Jnr's Value is seriously different to all the promoters.
Warren - has stated that they're impossible to deal with and will never deal with them again.
Hearn - would deal with anyone, business is business, even if they hate his guts or vice versa. But Hearn won't give money away. Snr. will feel he's getting ripped off , yadda , yadda and Groundhog day continues.
Hennessy - makes no difference whether they'll deal with each other or not tbf.
Sauerland - maybe, but they're not gonna be able to rebuild his profile over here.
American Promoters - Jnr. is irrelevant over there. And they wouldn't put up with him bowling over a few bums and proclaiming himself to be the next Floyd!
So like I said, it's not about who he could beat and not beat, he's gonna have to go to the back of the line unless he accepts shit money . And Snr. DOES NOT ACCEPT SHIT MONEY. Snr. isn't going to back off, because he has no other means of income. All in all, they've fucked up big time in and out of the ring.
Who said GGG is just a pressure fighter? He doesn't use his jab to keep fighters at bay, he uses it to initiate his own attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGGG is not just a pressure fighter, he has the skills to pick Junior off and take him apart when he has to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
GGG's jab alone would cause Eubank to stay away and fight at distance.
Jr's strengths are up close where he can launch his combos/uppercut and use his strength/fitness. Monroe, Murray, Ouma, Brook, etc have all had success letting their hands go on the inside against Golovkin.
Not saying Jr will win, but it would be a tremendous spectacle whilst it lasted, far more competitive than the weekend.
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Promoters will be tripping over themselves to sign a fighter that became a PPV star without them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon't entirely agree with most of that , but it's neither here nor there . Team Eubank have dug themselves a Massive hole. Not only do they have to convince the public about their credibility, Their choice to not deal with a promoter means they have nobody fighting their corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Snr. as we all know , is an arrogant stubborn fucking idiot, who is impossible for promoters to deal with , simply because his opinion of Jnr's Value is seriously different to all the promoters.
Warren - has stated that they're impossible to deal with and will never deal with them again.
Hearn - would deal with anyone, business is business, even if they hate his guts or vice versa. But Hearn won't give money away. Snr. will feel he's getting ripped off , yadda , yadda and Groundhog day continues.
Hennessy - makes no difference whether they'll deal with each other or not tbf.
Sauerland - maybe, but they're not gonna be able to rebuild his profile over here.
American Promoters - Jnr. is irrelevant over there. And they wouldn't put up with him bowling over a few bums and proclaiming himself to be the next Floyd!
So like I said, it's not about who he could beat and not beat, he's gonna have to go to the back of the line unless he accepts shit money . And Snr. DOES NOT ACCEPT SHIT MONEY. Snr. isn't going to back off, because he has no other means of income. All in all, they've fucked up big time in and out of the ring.
Why did you buy the fight the weekend?
I was talking about getting interest from the public though, there was a level of curiosity in the Groves fight as to how good Jr actually was which helped sell the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterJunior will want to fight in the final if Groves pulls out, his second hope is that he gets a shot at Truax, third hope is one of the other champs offers him a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
All hope and not real options.
All look unlikely.
How many people will pay £18 to watch him in the final when they fully expect him to get beat?
How many casual fans will be interested in him fighting Truax when they have no idea who he is?
Is Junior tied to ITV and the PPV format? Or if he is knocked out he is free to do what he likes?Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI was talking about getting interest from the public though, there was a level of curiosity in the Groves fight as to how good Jr actually was which helped sell the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterJunior will want to fight in the final if Groves pulls out, his second hope is that he gets a shot at Truax, third hope is one of the other champs offers him a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
All hope and not real options.
All look unlikely.
How many people will pay £18 to watch him in the final when they fully expect him to get beat?
How many casual fans will be interested in him fighting Truax when they have no idea who he is?
1. Promoters would sign him , as I stated ON THEIR TERMS. It's Senior that won't sign with them because he wants silly money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Promoters will be tripping over themselves to sign a fighter that became a PPV star without them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon't entirely agree with most of that , but it's neither here nor there . Team Eubank have dug themselves a Massive hole. Not only do they have to convince the public about their credibility, Their choice to not deal with a promoter means they have nobody fighting their corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Snr. as we all know , is an arrogant stubborn fucking idiot, who is impossible for promoters to deal with , simply because his opinion of Jnr's Value is seriously different to all the promoters.
Warren - has stated that they're impossible to deal with and will never deal with them again.
Hearn - would deal with anyone, business is business, even if they hate his guts or vice versa. But Hearn won't give money away. Snr. will feel he's getting ripped off , yadda , yadda and Groundhog day continues.
Hennessy - makes no difference whether they'll deal with each other or not tbf.
Sauerland - maybe, but they're not gonna be able to rebuild his profile over here.
American Promoters - Jnr. is irrelevant over there. And they wouldn't put up with him bowling over a few bums and proclaiming himself to be the next Floyd!
So like I said, it's not about who he could beat and not beat, he's gonna have to go to the back of the line unless he accepts shit money . And Snr. DOES NOT ACCEPT SHIT MONEY. Snr. isn't going to back off, because he has no other means of income. All in all, they've fucked up big time in and out of the ring.
Why did you buy the fight the weekend?
2. Is Eubank Jr. a PPV Star? Really? If you think that, then you have very low standards on what you think a PPV Star is.
3. I bought the fight to watch Groves, and as hoped watch him school and destroy this fucking myth. I have paid for all Groves's PPV's . I like the way he boxes and I like the interest he generates . I think he's good value for money , but whether he's a "PPV Star", I'll leave for others to decide. I WOULD NOT PAY 2 PENCE TO WATCH EUBANK! He just happened to be fighting Groves.
The thing is about Hype and Proclaiming yourself as the next Messiah, that somewhere along the line , you have to step up to the plate and deliver. And when he had his opportunity TWICE he has failed miserably and been sussed out.
People then start to get bored with you. And because he isn't tied to a Promoter , who is going to market you and raise your profile again to give you another shot? oh yeah, DADDY! not working is it?
I'm gonna finish by giving Jnr. some credit. He has great conditioning, stamina and seems to have a very good chin and considering he's a NOVICE, and that is exactly what he is technically, he has done remarkably well to get a World Title shot and last 12 rounds with a World level guy.
Any time this guy gets in the ring with a decent "Boxer", he will lose. It's not about starting to get going too late , it's about being able to adapt technically mid fight to situations. That is where a good trainer is invaluable. Oh, I forgot , he doesn't need one of them!
Degale is fighting Truax in the rematch so JR won't get the Truax fight.
Eubank didn't do too bad without a "promoter," he just finished his 4th ITV PPV on the bounce in a packed out MEN arena, no Eddie or Frank in sight. So if no-one wants to sign him, or will touch his old man, I suppose they can carry on doing what they're doing, working with other promoters in conjunction with putting on their own shows (I wouldn't feel too sorry for them, doubt they'll starve).
I don't think Jr is a boxing star I know it. It's not determined by the opinion of random individuals with biases, it's about what numbers are generated en masse. There's only two bigger crossover stars in the UK - AJ and Haye. Now what happens from here is yet to be determined.
There's definitely enough there for Eubank to build on, the issue is will he allow himself to be taught? I think there are some great domestic level fights for him to get some confidence back and learn a bit more on the job. He wants/ thinks he's at a level that he hasn't reached yet, if he jumps back in at that level as is, it'll be another humbling experience. If he rebuilds I feel he can still be competitive.
yep................but he won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha