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Look at this record! He has beaten many top quality fighters and never had a real close fight. He did have one SD, but it looks like one of the judges was blind! His last 16 opponents records were a combined 429-30-2 (a 93% winning percentage) and he KO's half of them.
Who's gonna beat him? Should he be on top of the p4p list?
Joe is great, but he's almost been KOd before {can't remember the guys name}. He went down in the second, only to get back up and KO the other guy. But, he was hurt, and a better finisher would have KOd him. If he boxes smart, like he did against Lacy, it's hard to envision him getting beat. Especially at Super-middle. He's beaten alot of people, but alot of them weren't very good. IMO, he shouldn't be at the top of the p4p list. If he unifies the rest of the belts at 168, then he should be in the top ten for sure. Where exactly, depends on alot of fights.
IMO, Wright gets the nod at this moment. And, if Wright beats Taylor, then he should definately be at the top. {Not to take anything away from Joe. 41-0 is it? That's saying something}
The Eubank fight was very close, and very tough.
The Reid, Thornberry and Starie performances were very poor by his standards but admittedly it was due to a hand injury, that injury to his left hand though eventually healed in time to stop Sheika, Woodhall and Veit where he finally found some form again.
The Brewer fight was tough. Mitchell dropped him for the first time in his life.
The Salem performance was very poor by his standards, but admittedly it was due to his head being all over the place because of the messy divorce he was going through at the time.
So Joe does have a few blips, but has always come through. He's a warrior, and at his best he's breathtaking.
You say these 4 fights were close and poor performances. I didn't see them, but from the looks of the scores he couldn't have done too bad. In 3 of these fights he took almost all the rounds from at least 2 of the judges. If you call that a poor performance than he must be pretty damn good.Quote:
Originally Posted by WWatt
Joe's only downfall is his pride. He's a boxer-puncher, with a sluggers mentality sometimes. When he fights like that, he leaves himself open badly. It was the Brewer fight{ I think}, that he fought like that and got dropped. When Joe remembers that he's a boxer, and not a slugger{against Lacy}, he's very hard to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
Sure he should be at the top of the P4P list. I never been a Calzaghe fan (actually the opposite) but I am now. RJJ was considered P4P#1 and his resume is not much better than Joe's. JC isn't #1 at this point but if he beats Tarver then he should be eligable.
Thornberry, Reid and Starie were very poor performances by his high standards, he was booed out of the building. Those guys weren't supposed to last three or four rounds, but it was Joe's stubborness to want to continue to take fights while carrying a hand injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
Eubank was a very close fight, no round was a blow-out even though Joe's sheer workrate and determination was winning the rounds. Take away the three knockdowns (one of which the first punch of the fight, the other two more like slips in later rounds) and the way the scoring was it would of made it pretty close, I in round 10 when Eubank's glove touched the canvas he was winning that round but judges gave it 10-8 to Calzaghe when it really should of been 10-9 for Eubank.
Joe took an absolute hammering from Eubank!
I like Joe, but at the top? Everyone else hacks on Floyd saying he shouldn't be at the top, even though he's undefeated/with a good resume. Beating Lacy was great, but beating Mosely 2 times, then Solimann, then Tito in a row, gets my attention more.Quote:
Originally Posted by baller
When I say at the top I mean somewhere in the top 5.
two words, Robin Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
Okay. Not doubting Joe's skills, but the general public would like to see him beat a couple of more "recognized" names before that happens. I think his record says alot, but everyone don't share the same thoughts. What hurts his p4p rankings, IMO, is that there haven't been any big stars at 168. And the comp. level isn't as good as other weight classes. If it was, he would be top five for sure, probably top 3, if he was undefeated or not. Close wins against guys who aren't considered that good, doesn't earn alot of points with people. I've been watching Joe for about 5-6 years now, and I'm impressed. Like I stated before, if he unifies all the belts at 168, I can't see how he couldn't be topfive.Quote:
Originally Posted by baller
See, thats what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
he may of never had a close fight but when lacy realizes he has to box against calzaghe and not slug then we will see a close fight. their last fight was a BIG FLUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lacy wasn't equiped to box him. Lacy came forward like he normally does but Joe either caught him coming in or moved subtly, making Lacy miss and setting up all those counters. Maybe Lacy might have had the potential to beat Calzaghe but not in his current state of development
i also feel that joe was excessively holding. the ref never even warned him. and he had to have held him bout 12 times in each round. every match that goes the distant with lacy they all have to hold him to try to contain him and the refs are some bull and never penalize the other man and let it ride. lacy shoulda started complaing to the ref about round 2 or 3 about the holding
Like I stated before, that's one thing Lacy needs to work on. Most champs don't get held if they don;'t want to. And if they do, they push off, and it becomes clear that the other guy is excessively holding, and then the ref usually docks a point, or corrects the situation. It's just as much Lacy's fault for being held as it is Joe's.Quote:
Originally Posted by 130lb champ
It's a lot less painful being held than being hit. No-one else has ever been able to tie Lacy up like that and he's fought some big super middles. He was probably pretty confused by the time he got inside and appreciated the rest. Like the previous post said, he didn't seem to anxious to work out of clinches (I'm not criticizing his heart btw. After watching 5-6 rounds I was wondering why he kept fronting up to the beating)
those other three matches that went to the 12th round all those guys were excessively holding lacy. and after awhile pushing somebody off you is very hard work and tires you down very quick which is why joe was holding. joe would hit him bout 3 times and then hold lacy ALL THROUGHOUT THOSE 12 rounds
Have a look at the number of shots Calzaghe threw. It wasn't a jab and grab fight. No disrespect to Lacy but he needed more than a ref calling break to win that fight. He wasn't ready
Look, a big guy who is a supposed bad-a**, should not let someone hold him. I've seen leser fighters not get held because of determination. If Joe took his heart with punches, or the crowd was overwhelming, is no excuse. If someone tries to hold me, they are gonna pay. And if they are still holding, the ref is gonna take a point away.
Joe landed,yes LANDED,over 1000 punches on Lacy in that fight.Excessive holding?C'mon,Lacy was getting hit 100 times a round,watch the fight again from a neutral point and you'll see Lacy desperate not to let Joe move out of the clinches just as much as you see Joe holding! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 130lb champ
lacy fans can leave that shat alone...he got his ass-whooped fair and square...and because he thinks that he knock everyone out with one or two shots ,he's been exposed and his career will be nothing more than maybe a couple of years long because he's too far gone in his style and everyone of top quality will do him the same as JC did...as far as JC being top 5 P4P why he hasn't he fought Ottke yet? I mean its not that far and he doesn't have worry about being too far away his hometown where he can keep beating up the guys from the local gyms....but i think he could be top 10...no higher than five though... PBF, PACMAN, WINKY, Corrales, Castillo have those spots locked and MAB might have six locked so maybe no higher than 6 for Calzaghe...
Weren't as close as everybody says - good fight but JC clearly won - and Reid was actually half decent back then!Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
And JC was fighting one-handed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
mitchell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
that fight was the reason i thought lacy would crush him
The same goes for Kessler. He has never lost a round on all 3 judges score-cards in his entire pro career - and he has defeated Ring's no. 2 and 3....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera