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Has he bottled it already? Watch him fight Breaveale next
Lou DiBella
"I didn’t see Anthony Joshua taking any chances in that fight at all. And in fact, I saw Anthony Joshua get buzzed by Joseph Parker and then pull his own tape off his glove to create his own timeout, and I gotta be honest with you, that made me lose a little bit of respect.”
The incident was also picked up on by some fans watching at home – including ESPN writer Dan Rafael.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxi...ker-tape-fight
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It would be very sad for the entire sport if this fight doesn't go forward.
This is why I still to this day HATE David Haye! You cannot astroturf a rivalry it's either got heat or it doesn't you cannot manufacture it and when you attempt to it feels put on and those involved look silly.
I've said it before I'll say it again Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder is as big as it is going to get, they're both undefeated, they have all the titles between them...there's nothing else that makes this fight more interesting for the common fan.
The chance is here to sign the fight, have the media tour, build up an amazing undercard for the big event next summer in England. Lots of young British and American talent on the undercard and just have it be the biggest event it can be.
If either camp cocks this up I and millions of other boxing fans will be furious.
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I agree. They should have a rematch clause in it, wherever it is held, to have the return in the other country. It's an historic opportunity by two fighters who both came to boxing late to put on a spectacle, make loads of wonga and even wring a trilogy out of it.
Now watch them F*ck it up :-X;D
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Yeah more money could be made from a trilogy if the first fight is good than will be made hyping the shit out of the first fight.
I absolutely hate this shit about boxing. This is how you get John Ruiz and Nicolay Valuev as "champions" fucking sucks.....sign to fight damnit!
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Beanz
I agree. They should have a rematch clause in it, wherever it is held, to have the return in the other country. It's an historic opportunity by two fighters who both came to boxing late to put on a spectacle, make loads of wonga and even wring a trilogy out of it.
Now watch them F*ck it up :-X;D
Unlike most other weddings, Harry and Meghan are inviting only one half of couples.... Sounds a bit tight, 🚾🗿🚬
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The 90s heavyweights were all about rematches and trilogies, as were the heavyweights of the 69s and 70s. Holyfield fought Moorer twice, Lennox twice, Tyson twice, Alex Stewart twice, Bowe three times, and Ruiz four times (even though once was more than enough). Lennox fought McCall, Rahman, and Evander twice. Bowe fought Evander three times, and Golota twice. Ali fought three times against Frazier and Norton. Fireman fought Frazier twice. I miss the days where/when the best fought the best.
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mikeeod
The 90s heavyweights were all about rematches and trilogies, as were the heavyweights of the 69s and 70s. Holyfield fought Moorer twice, Lennox twice, Tyson twice, Alex Stewart twice, Bowe three times, and Ruiz four times (even though once was more than enough). Lennox fought McCall, Rahman, and Evander twice. Bowe fought Evander three times, and Golota twice. Ali fought three times against Frazier and Norton. Fireman fought Frazier twice. I miss the days where/when the best fought the best.
Agreed. Nobody wants to give rematches anymore. I like rematches as long as they are close or a freak KO happened.
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mikeeod
The 90s heavyweights were all about rematches and trilogies, as were the heavyweights of the 69s and 70s. Holyfield fought Moorer twice, Lennox twice, Tyson twice, Alex Stewart twice, Bowe three times, and Ruiz four times (even though once was more than enough). Lennox fought McCall, Rahman, and Evander twice. Bowe fought Evander three times, and Golota twice. Ali fought three times against Frazier and Norton. Fireman fought Frazier twice. I miss the days where/when the best fought the best.
Agreed. Nobody wants to give rematches anymore. I like rematches as long as they are close or a freak KO happened.
I persoanlly think AJ will flatten Wilder and there will be no demand for a rematch. I think Wilder may retire after he loses with those Bambi legs.
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It's funny how quiet Wilder and all the Fan boys on this forum accusing Joshua of ducking him have gone in the last week. He was full of shit chat in the week leading up to the Parker fight , but since , nothing. Joshua rightly was focusing on a unification fight and didn't want to discuss Wilder.
Now, Joshua has blatantly said "sign this deal we're gonna offer or fucking shut up!" I hope Wilder does sign , but let's get things straight, if he Doesn't, Wilder is a loud mouthed gutless cunt!
If Wilder wants it as bad as he says, he'll take it. None of this percentages Horse shit. If you don't like the financial side of it, Counter offer them with a better deal. If you can't do that (and we know they can't !) sign the fucking deal!
I can smell his fucking fear from across the Atlantic! ;D;D;D
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https://www.ringtv.com/532936-hearn-...ua-take-leave/
They’ll knock it back of course and earn $1.5million against Breazeale. But just remember it’s Joshua that doesn’t want it.
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If I were Wilder I would take the 12.5 million but my stipulation would be a rematch clause and that he gets a 60-40 split if for the rematch if he wins the first fight.
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So Wilder's willing to accept 40%, and Hearn is offering a flat 12.5, which is 25% at best, maybe less. Sounds like Joshua will be taking on the mandatory instead. It's not a tragedy when you think of their ages, 32 for Wilder and 28 for AJ. They both have plenty of years left in their careers. The only danger here is one of the two losing before they get to the mega-match, and then they're splitting a much lower purse.
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For the record, I wouldn't accept 25%. It's insulting. A smaller split, yes. A slap in the face, no.
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powerpuncher
If I were Wilder I would take the 12.5 million but my stipulation would be a rematch clause and that he gets a 60-40 split if for the rematch if he wins the first fight.
No way would I take 12.5 million. This fight could make well over 100 million. They should at lease get 35 million each. Bowe made 15 million for the Holyfield 2. that was 25 years ago.
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powerpuncher
If I were Wilder I would take the 12.5 million but my stipulation would be a rematch clause and that he gets a 60-40 split if for the rematch if he wins the first fight.
No way would I take 12.5 million. This fight could make well over 100 million. They should at lease get 35 million each. Bowe made 15 million for the Holyfield 2. that was 25 years ago.
I understand but I guess it depends on whether he thinks that AJ will ever fight him. That’s why I would force a rematch clause and to get the bigger cut if he wins the first fight. Either way he will get a nice pay day.
I have been saying that AJ and his team has been ducking Wilder. I’m just not sure if Hearn will allow AJ to risk a loss without making a huge amount of money. That’s why he wants AJ to get such a big cut.
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What is Wilder bringing to the table other than one belt? What has been his biggest payday so far?
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So much for the "Discussions being dealt with in private" ;D
To all those people saying "No way would I accept that" or "insist on a rematch clause" etc. at the end of the day, if Wilder doesn't like the fact that somebody wants to pay him more in ONE FIGHT than he has ever earned in his WHOLE CAREER , fine, nobody is forcing his arm behind his back. PUT A COUNTER OFFER IN!
We all have opinions on what he should and shouldn't get , but that don't mean shit really, it's not how the World works.
It's laughable that some people think that Wilder or anyone else can dictate to the people paying them how much they get when they have no other comparative offer to use against it. :rolleyes: That doesn't happen in the real World and it doesn't happen here!
When the fuck has anyone on here been offered 5 to 10 times more than they have ever earned , when no counter offer is in the frame, AND TURNED IT DOWN?
Reality Check right there!
For the record , I personally think that a 60/40 ish split in favour of Joshua and a rematch clause in the US or wherever he decides if Wilder wins , would be very fair. But I would also like a blowjob every day from Michelle Keegan, but that's not happening either! ;D
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AJ and Eddie are not even offering 40% the fight gits. Wilder should continue to refuse and fight the worst challengers possible. Constantly call out AJ and and moan about Eddie until they have to increase their offer.
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Quick question. How much money do people think is in the Joshua Wilder fight?
You dont even have to know numbers, just a guess. Do you think it's as big as Joshua Klitschko in terms of money?
Be realistic too. Dont just assume Undisputed World champion, stands to reason it makes more money.
If it's worth more, where does that money come from?
Before people start getting bent out of shape over percentages, you need to know what money is in the fight right?
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PUT A COUNTER OFFER IN!
Exactly. I love how they position themselves as 'making a counter offer' Call it as it is. You're not making a counter offer at all. You're begging for more money.
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Bear in mind. £8.8m represents a 40% share of £22m which means Joshua would take £13.2m.
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Fight is worth $100 million from TV and stadium revenue. Fat cunt Eddie and AJ want the maximum amount of that and offer only 12%. Cunts.
Wilder wants 50% no way will be get that so will want it in that region.
With that money he can get a blow job from the Beyonce, JZ can only watch and applaud.
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Master
Fight is worth $100 million from TV and stadium revenue. Fat cunt Eddie and AJ want the maximum amount of that and offer only 12%. Cunts.
Wilder wants 50% no way will be get that so will want it in that region.
With that money he can get a blow job from the Beyonce, JZ can only watch and applaud.
You think the fight is worth $100m?
How much do you think AJ V Klitschko was worth then?
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Beanz
What is Wilder bringing to the table other than one belt? What has been his biggest payday so far?
What Wilder is about 100 million times more exciting than AJ and about 100 million times more scary than AJ so I think Wilder has the upper hand psychologically in the same way that Tyson Fury had the upper hand psychologically against Wladimir Klitschko
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brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
What is Wilder bringing to the table other than one belt? What has been his biggest payday so far?
What
Wilder is about 100 million times more exciting than AJ and about 100 million times more scary than AJ so I think Wilder has the upper hand psychologically in the same way that Tyson Fury had the upper hand psychologically against Wladimir Klitschko
so if this is the case, The marketing/promotion/TV people in America should have no trouble investing tens of millions into Wilder the same way as Matchroom/Sky are doing with Joshua?
and if they do that, it will be very simple to blow Hearn's offer out of the window and get Joshua to come to the states and take the short end of the wedge?
only this isn't the case is it? The majority of the US Boxing population (present company excepted) can see through this loud mouthed raw lacking skill and patience joker and consequently that is why an American WORLD HEAYWEIGHT CHAMPION has never earned so little as Wilder!!!!
If he was the real deal, he would be King of the World!! :rolleyes:
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I don't give a rat's ass how much money Wilder has made or hasn't made in his previous fights..... and I care even less about the number of belts (a stupid measuring stick in this case). They're both champions. If the fight makes $100 million, it'll be because AJ's opponent is Wilder. Please all argue that AJ would bring in $100 million for shadow boxing with himself in the middle of the ring. Please. I'm starting to think how ironic it would be for Hearn to avoid Wilder, trying to milk an even more ridiculous split out of the fight...... and then have AJ stumble against Povetkin. Wouldn't that be a laugh.
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Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.
Where are you getting this $100m number from?
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Memphis
Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.
Where are you getting this $100m number from?
PPV TV money from both sides of the pond and around the world added with revenue from stadium with sponsorship from gambling companies rounding it up to the nearest pound.
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Here is something you said in another thread @Primo Carnera
“We know that GGG will just mark time and wait for Canelo to become available , like he's GBP/Canelo's little lap dog.
He needs to cut Canelo loose and let the cunt drown while getting his career back on track.”
So with this idea, you should be pushing for Wilder to reject such a lowball offer because otherwise he is being Hearns lap dog. Just like GGG can make the most money fighting Canelo, Wilder will make the most money fighting AJ.
Canelo financially dictates GGGs career at the moment because he is the bigger draw. This HW situation is the same. It’s awful. So you talk that Wilder should give into demands or give a counter offer but I never hear you defend Canelo and tell GGG that he needs to just accept the offer he is given.
Whatever you believe is fine but just be consistent with your views. If Wilder needs to accept a smaller percentage because he isn’t as big of a draw and because this is way more money that’s he has ever made, then you must also agree that GGG should take an easy fight to preserve his big payday against Canelo. Financially it makes sense.
If you believe that GGG should just move on with his career then you should also believe that Wilder should just move on with his career and not let AJ dictate his career.
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.
Where are you getting this $100m number from?
It’s a rough estimate. Hearn would not offer Wilder 12.5 million if he wasn’t sure that it was making much much more than that.
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I think Hearn is confident that AJ would win, less confident that it would make $100m.
I reckon that Hearn wants to get Wilder against his second string Whyte, for lesser millions. If Wilder wins by KO it ramps up the interest in Wilder AJ. If Wilder gets beat (most probable) depending on the performance it could still ramp up either a rematch or straight to AJ. Either way it puts Wilder among Brit viewers and may well improve his standing with more savvy US viewers, most of whom think he's shit. I guess its maximising your assets.
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powerpuncher
Here is something you said in another thread @
Primo Carnera
“We know that GGG will just mark time and wait for Canelo to become available , like he's GBP/Canelo's little lap dog.
He needs to cut Canelo loose and let the cunt drown while getting his career back on track.”
So with this idea, you should be pushing for Wilder to reject such a lowball offer because otherwise he is being Hearns lap dog. Just like GGG can make the most money fighting Canelo, Wilder will make the most money fighting AJ.
Canelo financially dictates GGGs career at the moment because he is the bigger draw. This HW situation is the same. It’s awful. So you talk that Wilder should give into demands or give a counter offer but I never hear you defend Canelo and tell GGG that he needs to just accept the offer he is given.
Whatever you believe is fine but just be consistent with your views. If Wilder needs to accept a smaller percentage because he isn’t as big of a draw and because this is way more money that’s he has ever made, then you must also agree that GGG should take an easy fight to preserve his big payday against Canelo. Financially it makes sense.
If you believe that GGG should just move on with his career then you should also believe that Wilder should just move on with his career and not let AJ dictate his career.
You make a very fair point, and i'll explain myself.
firstly , I don't say Wilder should just lie down and accept. If he's got other options, crack on.
Secondly , the difference between Wilder and GGG is that basically Wilder doesn't have many options to prove he's "The Man" unless he beats Joshua (and vice versa) therefore he will never earn the big money (maybe even the money he deserves) until he does. Joshua, on the other hand could earn £10million a fight minimum whoever he fought within reason because of the crazy way people in the UK hype up their stars and flash their dough!
GGG on the other hand has many options to earn good money, and if he keeps beating those options (Charlo, Jacobs, BJS) , and he is marketed correctly, then his money will increase and he will be the "A" Side.
This is no different to what Floyd did for the last 5 or 6 years of his career . It Might not be right and people will moan about it ad infinitum , but one thing that can't be denied is that Floyd went out and made his legacy by beating big names in the ring. People will say "he ducked this" , "he avoided that" , but I don't see Wilder, GGG , any of these guys not just these 2, going out and Making their Legacy by fighting the best of the best and beating them .
GGG should ignore Canelo, and if everyone does the same, he's got nowhere to go.
Wilder had a head start on Joshua , he's had 40 fucking pro fights, and only now is he trying to go up the food chain . Let us not forget that Wilder , a World Champion at the time , was calling out Joshua when he was a fucking Novice!!!
they know which side their bread is buttered , trust me.
And anyone who says "it doesn't matter what he's earnt to date" and "he should give him X%" has gotta to get real and understand what really happens.
looking at previous posts of yours and mine on this matter, we're not that far apart on what we believe SHOULD happen and who SHOULD get what. But it's not up to us. we have to understand how it works.
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.
Where are you getting this $100m number from?
PPV TV money from both sides of the pond and around the world added with revenue from stadium with sponsorship from gambling companies rounding it up to the nearest pound.
And you come up with $100m? Whats the breakdown of the $100m?
How much for instance do you think the gate is worth. Then TV.
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.
Where are you getting this $100m number from?
PPV TV money from both sides of the pond and around the world added with revenue from stadium with sponsorship from gambling companies rounding it up to the nearest pound.
And you come up with $100m? Whats the breakdown of the $100m?
How much for instance do you think the gate is worth. Then TV.
Gate will be worth £45 million and TV rights $55million and a penny.
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
powerpuncher
Here is something you said in another thread @
Primo Carnera
“We know that GGG will just mark time and wait for Canelo to become available , like he's GBP/Canelo's little lap dog.
He needs to cut Canelo loose and let the cunt drown while getting his career back on track.”
So with this idea, you should be pushing for Wilder to reject such a lowball offer because otherwise he is being Hearns lap dog. Just like GGG can make the most money fighting Canelo, Wilder will make the most money fighting AJ.
Canelo financially dictates GGGs career at the moment because he is the bigger draw. This HW situation is the same. It’s awful. So you talk that Wilder should give into demands or give a counter offer but I never hear you defend Canelo and tell GGG that he needs to just accept the offer he is given.
Whatever you believe is fine but just be consistent with your views. If Wilder needs to accept a smaller percentage because he isn’t as big of a draw and because this is way more money that’s he has ever made, then you must also agree that GGG should take an easy fight to preserve his big payday against Canelo. Financially it makes sense.
If you believe that GGG should just move on with his career then you should also believe that Wilder should just move on with his career and not let AJ dictate his career.
You make a very fair point, and i'll explain myself.
firstly , I don't say Wilder should just lie down and accept. If he's got other options, crack on.
Secondly , the difference between Wilder and GGG is that basically Wilder doesn't have many options to prove he's "The Man" unless he beats Joshua (and vice versa) therefore he will never earn the big money (maybe even the money he deserves) until he does. Joshua, on the other hand could earn £10million a fight minimum whoever he fought within reason because of the crazy way people in the UK hype up their stars and flash their dough!
GGG on the other hand has many options to earn good money, and if he keeps beating those options (Charlo, Jacobs, BJS) , and he is marketed correctly, then his money will increase and he will be the "A" Side.
This is no different to what Floyd did for the last 5 or 6 years of his career . It Might not be right and people will moan about it ad infinitum , but one thing that can't be denied is that Floyd went out and made his legacy by beating big names in the ring. People will say "he ducked this" , "he avoided that" , but I don't see Wilder, GGG , any of these guys not just these 2, going out and Making their Legacy by fighting the best of the best and beating them .
GGG should ignore Canelo, and if everyone does the same, he's got nowhere to go.
Wilder had a head start on Joshua , he's had 40 fucking pro fights, and only now is he trying to go up the food chain . Let us not forget that Wilder , a World Champion at the time , was calling out Joshua when he was a fucking Novice!!!
they know which side their bread is buttered , trust me.
And anyone who says "it doesn't matter what he's earnt to date" and "he should give him X%" has gotta to get real and understand what really happens.
looking at previous posts of yours and mine on this matter, we're not that far apart on what we believe SHOULD happen and who SHOULD get what. But it's not up to us. we have to understand how it works.
Understandable. I just think that Wilder can fight whoever else in the division but nothing will change. The division is awful and nobody he beats will prove anything. At this point, I have seen more people pick Wilder to beat AJ. He may not be the A side financially but he is probably more the A side of who people think will win.
Same as GGG. He wanted the Canelo fight because he wanted the belts and money. Canelo was the A side financially while GGG was the A side to actual fans. I’ve said many times before that I understand that sports are run by money and greed but that it’s just an easy thing to hide behind.
AJ can keep fighting and keep selling out stadiums and making a ton of money. Felix Sturm did that too. He took money over becoming the best. Which is fine because it’s a personal decision. We all just want to see who the best is.
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Master
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.
Where are you getting this $100m number from?
PPV TV money from both sides of the pond and around the world added with revenue from stadium with sponsorship from gambling companies rounding it up to the nearest pound.
And you come up with $100m? Whats the breakdown of the $100m?
How much for instance do you think the gate is worth. Then TV.
Gate will be worth £45 million and TV rights $55million and a penny.
;D
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
Ignore what Wilder has earned because it serves no purpose, it's no yardstick. What AJ has earned is though.
Where are you getting this $100m number from?
PPV TV money from both sides of the pond and around the world added with revenue from stadium with sponsorship from gambling companies rounding it up to the nearest pound.
And you come up with $100m? Whats the breakdown of the $100m?
How much for instance do you think the gate is worth. Then TV.
Gate will be worth £45 million and TV rights $55million and a penny.
So it’s at Wembley , 90,000 people and tickets AVERAGE out at £500 each? So you think people are gonna she’ll out a few hundred quid to sit up in the Gods 100 yards from the ring. Master, you are a fucking dreamer! ;D
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Wilder should get roughly what Parker got percentage wise, maybe slightly more.
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Alpha
Wilder should get roughly what Parker got percentage wise, maybe slightly more.
Why? Just because AJ is a bigger draw? If so, I direct you to my above post and ask if you think that Canelo should get a much higher percentage than GGG because he’s the bigger draw.
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powerpuncher
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
Wilder should get roughly what Parker got percentage wise, maybe slightly more.
Why? Just because AJ is a bigger draw? If so, I direct you to my above post and ask if you think that Canelo should get a much higher percentage than GGG because he’s the bigger draw.
I guess so.
