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If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
Brook believes it would have been different but no, Spence beats him again maybe not by stoppage.
Brook wants a rematch and Spence says for a title he would do it and come back to Britain.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
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Probably not.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
Probably wouldn't have traveled for Brook if he wasn't wearing the trinket. Don't think weight would have helped much.
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I don't quote understand the question. Is the concept that those 7 pounds spread over his entire body will make his eye socket stronger?
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
Spence would have stopped him the same. I hope Brook wins a title at 154 so Spence can put him in his place again.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
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Ron Swanson
I don't quote understand the question. Is the concept that those 7 pounds spread over his entire body will make his eye socket stronger?
No, the concept is I'm sure that Brook was winning the fight in a lot of peoples eyes and the extra weight, strength, stamina would have meant that he would have possibly been even more in control (in some peoples eyes) and not been as susceptible to the Spence body attack and later head attack that ultimately ended the fight.
Just my two cents of course.
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Ron Swanson
I don't quote understand the question. Is the concept that those 7 pounds spread over his entire body will make his eye socket stronger?
Lol
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
Did Brook even beat Porter?..mmmm.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
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imp
Did Brook even beat Porter?..mmmm.
Yes, Brook did. Porter does what he normally does and swarms his good work.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
Brook is on limited time he really got thrashed by GGG and fighting Spence right after that was a bad call, he needed a rebound win and get some momentum going forward. His eye is going to be permanently damaged if he continues as is.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
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Ron Swanson
I don't quote understand the question. Is the concept that those 7 pounds spread over his entire body will make his eye socket stronger?
No, the concept is I'm sure that Brook was winning the fight in a lot of peoples eyes and the extra weight, strength, stamina would have meant that he would have possibly been even more in control (in some peoples eyes) and not been as susceptible to the Spence body attack and later head attack that ultimately ended the fight.
Just my two cents of course.
Well, it’s an interesting question. From my perspective Brook was never winning the fight, he was winning rounds. But while Brook was winning rounds Spence was always doing the more lasting damage.
Any slight difference can have a great affect on a fight though. My belief is that the lasting damage was going to tell as the fight progressed either way. But we can’t be certain.
Seems like a question worthy of watching the fight again though. I haven’t seen it in a few months and have a little free time.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
It was a close fight early on both having good moments but after around 6th round Spence started taking over. Spence is a quality fighter and his body shots paid dividends later on in the fight. Brook weakened and tired, whether that was due to weight is the question but think it did not as much as Spence being the much better fighter.
Quality fight to watch again anyway.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
Every time I watch that fight I think Brook's chin is legendary. Spence landed bombs and he took it. That fight makes me respect Brook more than any other. Just watched it again and it's still a treat.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
I've always highly rated Brook. Coming up, he had excellent technique, hurtful power, that awkward Ingle gym style and he was a very big welterweight. He has shown a good chin and guts too.
I suspect that he hasn't always trained as well as he could and I think he has been badly handled. As he was rising through the ranks, he was probably the most avoided fighter in the division. He waited ages for a title shot because he was never a huge payday for anyone. That is his promoter's fault for not making him a marquee star - as so many lesser British boxers have been.
Shoving him in with Golovkin, two weights up, was a move of madness! He had so many other options and he ended up in the ring against a genuine destroyer. Nobody defeated by Golovkin has ever been the same fighter, in my opinion.
Brook got badly hurt, and I think he was damaged goods ever since then.
With regards to whether he might have beaten Spence at a different weight, I don't think so. Much as I rate Brook as a boxer, I think Spence is showing us what a very special talent he is.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
I think Brook took the fight against Spence because he had fought god awful opponents since he won the title against Porter. He did not want to be seen ducking Spence who was his mandatory.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
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Master
I think Brook took the fight against Spence because he had fought god awful opponents since he won the title against Porter. He did not want to be seen ducking Spence who was his mandatory.
Yes. He was in a bit of an unfair spot. He was willing to fight better fighters but couldn't get them at the time. He got the belt and had lesser opponents, was probably outgrowing the division just as he had a real threat. If he left the division many(I'm guilty here) would have said it was to avoid Spence. He showed his metal. And he deserves respect for accepting a bad situation And taking it on head first.
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Ron Swanson
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Master
I think Brook took the fight against Spence because he had fought god awful opponents since he won the title against Porter. He did not want to be seen ducking Spence who was his mandatory.
Yes. He was in a bit of an unfair spot. He was willing to fight better fighters but couldn't get them at the time. He got the belt and had lesser opponents, was probably outgrowing the division just as he had a real threat. If he left the division many(I'm guilty here) would have said it was to avoid Spence. He showed his metal. And he deserves respect for accepting a bad situation And taking it on head first.
You were very critical if I remember.
Anyway I hope Brook gets the Khan fight and splatters him. There is no way Khan can live with Spence.
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Master
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Ron Swanson
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Master
I think Brook took the fight against Spence because he had fought god awful opponents since he won the title against Porter. He did not want to be seen ducking Spence who was his mandatory.
Yes. He was in a bit of an unfair spot. He was willing to fight better fighters but couldn't get them at the time. He got the belt and had lesser opponents, was probably outgrowing the division just as he had a real threat. If he left the division many(I'm guilty here) would have said it was to avoid Spence. He showed his metal. And he deserves respect for accepting a bad situation And taking it on head first.
You were very critical if I remember.
Anyway I hope Brook gets the Khan fight and splatters him. There is no way Khan can live with Spence.
I was. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong. And I was wrong to doubt Brook. He’ll get nothing but love from me until he hangs them up.
A few others I got wrong
Froch, I thought that guy talked too much so he was hiding something. Proved to be a fighter through and through
Andre Ward, I was sure early in his career he was flash with no substance. Thought he would be protected, couldn’t have been more wrong than that.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
Without the previous eye injury I highly doubt Brook would have wielded, it was more a mental stoppage, imagining the horror/effect of the eye surgery than the physical punishment, which was clearly also a big factor.
Having said that, Spence beat him fair and square. Over the course of the whole fight they were virtually equal, there was never a lot to seperate them, however, Spence maintained his relentless gallop. Also there's no reason why Spence wont be just as effective at 154.
Brook was getting mad respect from the American fighters the other week. Everyone apart from Eddie haters and Khan fans recognise Brook as the real deal. Over the next few years I suspect that fight will more and more prove to be Spence's toughest, closest test.
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Re: If Brook vs Spence Jnr had been at 154, would the result have been different?
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Fenster
Without the previous eye injury I highly doubt Brook would have wielded, it was more a mental stoppage, imagining the horror/effect of the eye surgery than the physical punishment, which was clearly also a big factor.
Having said that, Spence beat him fair and square. Over the course of the whole fight they were virtually equal, there was never a lot to seperate them, however, Spence maintained his relentless gallop. Also there's no reason why Spence wont be just as effective at 154.
Brook was getting mad respect from the American fighters the other week. Everyone apart from Eddie haters and Khan fans recognise Brook as the real deal. Over the next few years I suspect that fight will more and more prove to be Spence's toughest, closest test.
Maybe, with the caveat we have to see how he is at the weight, I’m not sleeping on Crawford.
