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Have a cup of tea or rescue a princess or something. All the pubs will be empty until St Patricks Day when every funker and his dog are suddenly remember they once had a Guinness and wore a stupid green hat with their long lost Uncle Patrick. Wankers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUHTT2VnKao
That was magic.
Wasn't it just? Cant believe it was 17 years ago now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Seems like no more than 16 years ago
Remember Keegan resigned after losing to Germany and everyone thought England were not going to qualify. Sven turned England into a quality team and even Hesky was brilliant that night.
Steven Gerrard starting the comeback!
Can't you restrain yourself for one day? The man is a wankerQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The man is a hero
Do people still celebrate, display the flag in more smaller rural type areas? In London you'd probably get duffed up if you sported the flag, certainly be deemed an evil racist.
I live in rural Somerset now, and lots of people fly the Cross of St George all year round. There is no underlying politics to it as far as I can tell - ie they are not racist or stupid or anything.
Anyway, as a proud Welshman, happy St George's Day to my English brethren on here :)
I walked past my local yesterday and it was fucking covered in flags, everyone was dressed up in silly hats with oversized flags draped around them and they were all fucking leathered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
It was nice to see
You will not find too many in Cornwall, after all many do not consider Cornwall to be part of England at all (and they have history on their side if you look into it) but all over Devon and Somerset like X has said, it's not uncommon. I have seen it in and around London too, and if people think that makes you an evil racist, then that's their problem. My mate Chaz who is a local Sikh Councillor usually borrows a horse and rides around with it and himself dressed in the England flag ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4435&stc=1http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4436&stc=1http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4437&stc=1
"I've been dreaming of a time when
To be English is not to be baneful
To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful, racist or partial" - Morrissey
Well King Arthur was born yesterday. That is if they name him, Arthur. :)
The trouble with Morrissey is that not only is he racist the man is a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
In an interview with American music magazine Spin published on his new site Morrissey Central, the singer said: “London is second only to Bangladesh for acid attacks.
“All of the attacks are non-white, and so they cannot be truthfully addressed by the British Government or the Met Police or the BBC because of political correctness.
“What this means is that the perpetrator is considered to be as much of a victim as the actual victim.”
It is a familiar trope churned out as often as Asian Rape gangs. The reality?
There is a common understanding of acid attacks in the UK that goes something like this: the attacker is male; the victim female. Both are South Asian, and the violence has something to do with the man’s so-called ‘honour'.
But the most comprehensive set of data yet on acid attacks in London paints a different picture.
Statistics released by London’s Metropolitan Police to the BBC provide a breakdown of every recorded acid attack over a 15-year period by age, gender, ethnicity, borough, hate crime and outcome. It’s the fullest picture yet of the capital’s suspects and victims.
The findings include:
- The suspect was male 74% of the time and victim was male 67% of the time
- Just 6% of suspects were Asian
- Only one so-called ‘honour’ attack was recorded in 15 years
- Four out of five violent offences never reached trial
The figures appear to contradict a belief that a relative majority of acid attacks involve the South Asian diaspora.
“Definitely not,” said Detective Superintendent Mike West, the Metropolitan police lead on acid attacks, who has reviewed the figures. “That does not ring true. It’s very mixed from various religions, backgrounds, different victims, different offenders.”
So as usual those actually living in England are actually reprimanded for celebrating living in England or being English, by those who are not living here, who seek to prescribe what their idea of England should be. Two Yanks and an Ex-Pat insisting that reality does not fit into their narrow minded definition of what England should be.
Pfft! That old line 'He is racist'. ;D
Having just read the article you are referring to bulk of the acid attackers are black and I think that is pretty commonly known. We also know that the black community is also most likely to be affected by a lack of a father figure and thus prone to subsequent gang behavior. If Morrissey was to say the majority of the attackers are none white it would likely be quite true. Morrissey is prone to exaggeration, but that does not make him a racist.
You mean like this guy? https://static.independent.co.uk/s3f...ohn-tomlin.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I have seen nothing to support that assertion at all.
Gang behaviour is far more complex than not simply having a father figure present, and is hardly just a problem among black families.
It's an England thread, celebrating England, and all you can think of posting is Morrissey moaning about being called a racist, when half the time he does not even live here?
Fortunately we are not all miserable pessimists here despite the weather
I was quoting Morrissey because that lyric is about the flag and not having to feel racist for associating with it. It is about being proud of your country. You have posted a picture of one white chap. Why did you not post a picture of a black chap considering they are main group that carries out such attacks? I am celebrating England and it is you with the 'Morrissey is racist' chip on your shoulder and inability to accept the statistics. Blacks carry out 38% of the acid attacks despite being only 3% of the population. Those are just facts. And yes, I do think wayward youths are often that way because of a culture that almost celebrates a refusal to give young men suitable father figures and role models. Young black men are the group most likely to grow up without a father. You can deny the connection. That is up to you. If you want to change things you don't ban bleach or knives, you have to be realistic about what causes the problems. Morrissey this month declared that he 'despises racism'. If you are proud of your country then you love Morrissey too. He is one of the most culturally significant people to have emerged from the UK and is up there with anyone in British history. Not my words, but the views of the British people. Even the BBC couldn't deny this truth.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre.../16/icon.shtml
32% white 38% Afro Carabbean and 1 in 5 unknown. So if there is any bias it is in your rush to demonize black people. It's better I suppose than the sources Lyle quotes from suggesting they are all Muslim Asians. I can remember you castigating me for flying English flags as evidence of being a chav.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
It is quite possible to be proud of England without being proud of Morrissey ffs :-\
Yes, I was to an extent programmed not to feel comfortable around a flag. I realize the futility of denying who you are. It is drummed into you from a young age that you are worthless and that all you eventually are is white male privilege. Bollocks to all that.
20% unknown means either alien form or if we are to be fair then let's say 50:50 white and black. It means half the attacks are non white with agroup that is 3% of the populace. That is significant. I wish black people well. I hope black women and men come to realise the danger in not providing a stable family life for young blacks. Of course it affects a lot of young white kids too. I just think society can do a better job when it comes to this kind of thing. We need more family values and to respect the traditions that did make our country great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfmyBbiBcnA
....but what you guys really need is some good old SJW diversity, I mean how many transgender poc transabled little people are in that group....NONE that's how many and you should all feel shame for that lack of inclusivity because after all if it's not wide out front in full view then your group is completely and utterly bigoted.
I don't really understand what you mean? Is that your attempt at humour or can you just not mention England anymore without attaching negative comments and exposing a huge chip on your shoulder about a country you literally know fuck diddly all about?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
You seem to have a HUGE inferiority complex about little old England Lyle.
St George... Born of a Turkish father and Syrian mother... never killed any dragons or actually visited England.
So a number (not all) of people celebrating St Georges day had he been around now and decided to visit and then stay would be wanting him deported the next day. Or think it's ok to bomb the actual fuck out of his ancestors.
Happy Tuesday :-)
St George of England was actually a Greek from Anatolia.
St Margaret of Scotland was actually an English girl, a pretty blond Saxon from the House of Wessex and a descendant of Alfred the Great.
And St Patrick was born in England, he was a Romano-Briton who was captured by Irish raiders and enslaved, but he eventually brought Christianity to the Irish.
There were no Turks in Western Anatolia at the time of his birth. It was populated by Christian Greeks, until they were the victims of a genocide and "ethnic cleansing" by the Turks in the middle ages and later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shamrock
I can honestly say I wouldn't go into a boozer like that, it would be deemed a BNP pub, certainly full of Tommy Robinson's (bear in mind there's no regular old fashioned boozers left in London, all flats, places of worship or complete and utter ponce gaffs).Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanI walked past my local yesterday and it was fucking covered in flags, everyone was dressed up in silly hats with oversized flags draped around them and they were all fucking leathered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
It was nice to see
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Originally Posted by Beanz
Depending on the area, he gets battered by a bunch of muslims or battered for being muslim*
((*just so this joke doesn't go over the head of the PC jobsworths and anti-muslim on here - i'm making fun of genuine ignorant racists that would regard a sikh man celebrating St George as muslim and ignorant racist religious fools))
Maybe someone should give him a sword then. Down here it's more likely someone would try and nick the horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Depending on the area, he gets battered by a bunch of muslims or battered for being muslim*
((*just so this joke doesn't go over the head of the PC jobsworths and anti-muslim on here - i'm making fun of genuine ignorant racists that would regard a sikh man celebrating St George as muslim and ignorant racist religious fools))
Happy to bow to your greater knowledge. The principle remains the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomThere were no Turks in Western Anatolia at the time of his birth. It was populated by Christian Greeks, until they were the victims of a genocide and "ethnic cleansing" by the Turks in the middle ages and later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shamrock
On a similar note:-Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Depending on the area, he gets battered by a bunch of muslims or battered for being muslim*
((*just so this joke doesn't go over the head of the PC jobsworths and anti-muslim on here - i'm making fun of genuine ignorant racists that would regard a sikh man celebrating St George as muslim and ignorant racist religious fools))
UK's top diplomat caught up in blunder after calling the Sikh Golden Temple a mosque
Britain’s chief diplomat has apologised after mistaking one of the most sacred sites in Sikhism as a mosque.
Sir Simon McDonald, the permanent under-secretary at the Foreign Office, admitted that he made a blunder on Monday when referring to the Golden Temple in Amritsar, India, as the “Golden Mosque”.
The distinction between mosques being the place of Muslim worship and temples or gurdwaras used by Sikhs was not initially made clear.
The gaffe took place on Twitter where Sir Simon claimed that a photograph of the Queen at the “Golden Mosque” had been given to a colleague.
Realising his mistake, he admitted that he should have said "the Golden Temple or, better, Sri Harmandir Sahib."
The Golden Temple, constructed in the 16th century, is so sacred to Sikhs because it is considered to be the main site of pilgrimage for the faith.
The mosque tweet has therefore enraged many on social media, particularly British Sikhs.
Bhai Amrik Singh, chairman of the Sikh Federation, said: “This was a major gaffe by a top civil servant and totally unacceptable.
He added: “In our view, a public apology and admitting the mistake is not enough.
“What we need is a commitment from the UK Government and senior civil servants to root out such ignorance and discrimination or we will continue to face hate, abuse and threats of violence.”
The Queen had visited the site in 1997, 13 years after a deadly and extremely controversial assault by the Indian army took place, which was aimed at expelling armed separatists who wanted a separate Sikh homeland.
Jeremy Corbyn has vowed that if he were to become Prime Minister he would launch a probe to investigate Britain’s role during the raid in the party’s next manifesto.
The scale of the UK’s involvement in the assault, which reportedly left thousands dead, is currently under intense scrutiny, making the blunder even more awkward for Sir Simon.
Addressing a Sikhs for Labour meeting in Watford, Mr Corbyn remarked: “You can be very sure that, whenever the election comes, it will be in the next manifesto … it’s a commitment that’s going to be there and we will honour that commitment.”
Sir Simon has been on a visit to the Northern Indian city of Chandigarh, where he has been meeting students and politicians.
Dr Jasjit Singh, a researcher at Leeds University, questioned if the diplomat had been thinking of the Golden Mosque in Rochdale, which is an actual place of Muslim worship.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...osque-blunder/
Why was that gaffe so offensive, so much so that it made the news?
I know it's common for many Sikh's to publicly hate muslims, they do so with no sense of embarrassment, but is it actually the norm, widespread through that community? I never even realised they hated each other until recent times when the lunatic muslims started blowing everyone up. Now I can recall the Indians and Pakistani's I was friends/worked with that would constantly slate each other behind their backs (call each other filthy animals and shit like that). I was totally ignorant that it was a religious/cultural thing, I used to think the insults were a bit harsh just never realised they were heartfelt
Sikh's were persecuted by some of the Muslim kings that ruled India at the time in a very barbaric way. However most of the time it was peaceful and respectful which is forgotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
When they divided India and Pakistan there were further gang murders and rapes which continued the hatred. However there are beautiful stories where Muslim and Sikh's saved each other from these gangs which also get forgotten.
Anyone with common sense will realise we are all from the same "stock" and normally are our friends when we grow up. Sure there are gangs from each side and will say they "target and take our girls" but I class them as extreme ignorant nutters. Unfortunately there are a lot of these idiots and EDL/UKIP find and use them.
Makes me mad when they do that.
So are certain types of girls targeted or no? If gangs are targeting certain people how can that be fixed without calling it out?
Lyle you are obsessed
They are all vulnerable girls, makes no difference to them. Sikh gangs pick up on it if it is a Sikh girl, whites do it if they are white.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Yeah they are all vulnerable young girls, but (and please correct me if I'm wrong) MUSLIM rape gangs don't seem to be focused on picking up MUSLIM girls because they seem to be protecting their own community. Just what you can see from the papers and reporting on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThey are all vulnerable girls, makes no difference to them. Sikh gangs pick up on it if it is a Sikh girl, whites do it if they are white.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Is that the case? If given the choice between an at risk white or Sikh girl and an at risk Muslim girl who would the MUSLIM Gang choose to groom/pimp out?
Part of me thinks that certain communities don't raise a bunch of fuss about these gangs because their communities aren't targeted/their communities benefit from such gangs.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbuDSPhU8AAmax2.jpg
These gangs do not care and probably have abused girls in their own community but many will never come forward.
OK, and I understand the whole "some girls may never come forward" as well especially if Muslim because, well let's be honest here there's a stigma anyway regardless of religion, but there's a stigma AND A PUNISHMENT in Islam for being raped or pimped out against your will and I'm not naive enough to think that there's not at least a couple of Muslims in England perfectly willing to murder their own children should they be raped, I think there's families in the US like that too and I think it is barbaricQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I look at what is happening in England with the grooming gangs and that's a scary thing, for entire communities to shut down any talk of grooming gangs and just allow it to happen while knowing what is happening........Rotherham is worse than the Sheriff and FBI knowing a shooter was headed to that high school in Florida because that was 1 event this grooming gang shit is YEARS of abuse.
I hope that England gets it under control.