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I'm not asking whether it's okay for a poor man to hunt a deer to feed his family. Obviously hunting for food is okay.
But what about killing for SPORT? Killing for trophies? Killing for the "fun" of it? I think it's psychopathic.
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Fox hunting is vile and dispicable act just as Bull fighting is all defended by tradition and way of life.
I'm probably one of the very few hunters on here. My take on hunting (in general) is as follows if the animal harvested isn't going to be eaten, if the animal harvested isn't eating/endangering your your food supply (be it crops, farm animals, the animals you hunt of which you must allow for at least a few as predators DO serve a purpose)....then I don't much get the why of killing something.
I know if there are problem lions (you've used the picture of a lion for a meme), and "problem lions" meaning lions hunting people or too much livestock then yeah if you have family that has been attacked/killed by those lions or have to feed yourself/your community with that livestock then yeah you've got to choose between the lion's life or yours and who will be more comfortable. Not many people will allow for a comfortable lion when it's a choice between the lion or themselves/their access to food so that lion gets it and that is understandable in my eyes.
People going on safari to take prizes :-\ I'm not a huge fan of. I understand that it can bring money to very needy areas of the world, but at the same time I wouldn't want a glut of folks coming into my backyard and hunting the shit out of everything regardless of what they are hunting.
Poaching should be punishable by death. I hate those fuckers.
I'm not aware of any place in the US where it is not illegal to waste a carcass.
Fox hunting is understandable if you've got chickens and the foxes are killing your food (which they often do, can't really blame them) but if it's your family eating or the fox eating, then I'm sorry the fox is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bullfighting is atrocious, anytime an animal is tortured to death it's horrible. I've got a single shot rifle which I hunt with, I'm only shooting 1 time right through the vital organs and that is it. 1 shot, 1 kill no needless suffering...it's an emotionally difficult thing to do, but it's better than being so disconnected from your food supply that you know absolutely nothing of how the animal lived at all.
If I had the opportunity I'd raise cattle and pigs, but I've not got the time, space, or resources to make that happen so trying to ween off of factory farm animals and get more game meat is the best I can do at the moment.
@Freedom are you vegetarian or vegan? Just wondering.
There are better ways to kill foxes than riding horses and being chased by dogs across fields in the name of tradition.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFox hunting is understandable if you've got chickens and the foxes are killing your food (which they often do, can't really blame them) but if it's your family eating or the fox eating, then I'm sorry the fox is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Bullfighting is atrocious, anytime an animal is tortured to death it's horrible. I've got a single shot rifle which I hunt with, I'm only shooting 1 time right through the vital organs and that is it. 1 shot, 1 kill no needless suffering...it's an emotionally difficult thing to do, but it's better than being so disconnected from your food supply that you know absolutely nothing of how the animal lived at all.
If I had the opportunity I'd raise cattle and pigs, but I've not got the time, space, or resources to make that happen so trying to ween off of factory farm animals and get more game meat is the best I can do at the moment.
@Freedom are you vegetarian or vegan? Just wondering.
I think that's exactly what Lyle was saying mate ;D
I'm sure I've told you this already but we had 6 chickens in the back garden. They were good layers but more pets really, just an added bonus that the eggs they produced were fucking amazing.
Going back a few months 4 of them got killed by a fox. One of them taken, 3 of them just ripped to bits. I think if I'd have caught it in the act I would have kicked it to pieces or bludgeoned it to death with a shovel.
I decide I'm going to get a gun, I'm killing the fucker. Then time passes, I heal a little bit, but the fox is still a prick, so I downgrade to my sons airsoft (BB) riffle. Wont kill it, but a head shot will liven the fucker up.
Anyway. I'm patient. I wait night after night for some noise in the garden. Sure enough there the fucker is, just coming over the fence. I quickly grab the gun, the battery falls out but I maintain composure. I have one shot, right in the noggin, it yelps and fucks off back to where it came from double quick.
I go to bed like I'm Andy McNabb or summat.
Yeah that type of "hunting" is gay, plus it's not a thing that occurs where I live because you wouldn't want your dogs hunting or otherwise needlessly exposed to rabies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I've got a pit bull now and I wouldn't sick him on anything other than a burglar
No, I can't maintain my physical strength without meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
However, I only eat meat from organically-raised, cruelty free animals (even thought it's more expensive) and free-range eggs.
But this thread isn't about eating meat or not. It's about killing for sport, for trophies, for sadistic pleasure.
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Sport hunters have no respect for life.
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OK, I was just curious is all. I certainly congratulate you on being so dedicated to what you believe in, it takes a stern morality to not bend to cheaper alternatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
I understand what the thread is about, just was curious about you is all, no harm intended
I am against it. I think unless you require the animal for consumption, then you have no business taking its life unless you are in immediate physical danger. If anything I would like people who indulge in sport hunting to be shot as they are lowly and cowardly. Hemmingway was a twat and it was a shame he took so long to find the right answer.
At last......................... we found a subject we can all agree on. ;) ;) ;)
Okay, that was a bit mean considering Hemingway had mental issues and had experienced the wonderful help of doctors by frying his brain. Maybe I mean it would have been better were he to think about the evil pantomime that is Bull Fighting or putting a bullet into the heart of an animal that really is not a bother to you. As I say, the only way I can justify it is to consume the meat and you see some of these rotund men with rotund ego's spending thousands to go to Africa and shoot dead proud animals that are basically penned in fields. I find that very cowardly. I couldn't go home and think 'Man, ave been on a great adventure and gone toe to toe with that beast'. It's just not good. Don't get me wrong. I could kill an animal, much easier kill a person, but there has to be good reason and you better damn eat them too.
I felt like getting a gun to shoot my neighbor's big tomcat, because it killed my friendliest Dark-eyed Junco back in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
The bird knew me, when I went out to put seed down on my feeder it would watch me expectedly, and seconds later it would come to the feeder. The other birds like the Varied Thrushes and Starlings would nervously leave when I was nearby, but after awhile this Junco became used to me and understood I wasn't out to harm him so he would continue feeding when I was sitting on my patio.
I was very very angry when I saw the well-fed cat carrying the poor little bird. The only other creatures besides humans that kill for the love of killing are house cats.
RIP my little friend.
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A well fed fat cat would not normally kill a bird/mouse for food. They would play, train and torture it.
Not sure if I 100% agree with that...scalewise I do because domesticated cats are amazingly good at killing but Chimps kill for no fucking reason, dogs will kill and then not know what to do with the carcass sometimes but that I think is more down to breeding it's like the dog knows it's SUPPOSED to do something and then it snaps out of it and is all "What the fuck do I do now?".Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Cats can be a pain in the ass, luckily all our cat has done is off a few garden snakes, tee tiny little things, but I quite like snakes even the small ones as they'll protect our garden from various critters.
Wolves, mountain lions and bears have all been known to kill hundreds of sheep and not eat a bit of them. Especially wolves. And they are also big on eating things alive.
That's my boy, good shot bud! Next time though why don't you just try a bear trap?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I believe in reincarnation and I believe animals have souls and when you eat an animal you could be eating your great-grandfather or your great-grandmother
@Memphis you have every right to protect your chickens but I don’t think it’s cool to purposefully maim an animal. Either let it be or put it down I don’t like to see anything suffer. I tagged along with some friends hunting in Maine they put a bullet in a deer and didn’t put it down it was me who had to track it all day to finish the poor thing off so it didn’t suffer a slow death
Anyone who kills a lion should be shot.
It’s Far less sad if it’s an animal which isn’t threatened or endangered, but I still don’t get the appeal. Was just watching something about rhinos and how they are being poached into extinction because morons still think their horns have medicinal properties. It’s made of the same thing your fingernails are. People have already wiped out most of the megafauna that’s ever lived among us, and if you’re talking a long time ago, or even today in more tribal areas then it’s one thing. that people will pay loads of money to travel somewhere just to kill rare and beautiful animals they know damn well there are barely any left of though? Pathetic.
Fuck these people. Pretty much the extent of it.
Pretty much why I stick to deer and dove mostly. There's plenty of those to go around. I wouldn't mind duck or turkey hunting though, we'll see what I end up doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Eventually I'd like to go out west and see Buffalo and Antelope and Big Horn Sheep or up north and see Elk and Caribou and Moose....and of course Bears, Black Bears are like big raccoons but Brown Bears/Grizzlies get HUGE and then there's Kodiak bears which I am sure are also very impressive. Just going out in nature and seeing these animals is a majestic experience. I'm not sure if I'd go out there to hunt (those animals all have healthy populations now, very excited the buffalo are back!), and I sure wouldn't hunt a bear either...wild boar I'd hunt, but I wouldn't want to use dogs to do that, it's dangerous for them.
Hell this past deer season I was sat out there freezing my ass off and waiting and waiting and waiting and trying my damnedest not to fall asleep and then like a four legged ninja this buck just trots through the woods without making a sound right through my shooting path before I could even level my rifle but my feelings weren't of anger or disappointment from not getting a shot off (I'm not shooting unless I'm 100% certain it's a clean and clear shot, and I've already had my rifle sighted in so the round is going specifically where I'm aiming and nowhere else) I felt blessed to share the same space with such a wonderful creature who didn't even notice I was there.
Now after that you might ask "Well if you're so in awe of the animal why would you hunt to begin with?" ....because it's absolutely the best healthiest meat you can get, it's healthy for me and my family as well as the environment and rest of the deer population.
Hell I didn't even kill a groundhog that was eating up my garden, I trapped it and moved it to a park, so when it comes to hunting I like to conduct myself in an ethical way at least I think it's ethical and it's ethical as defined by the state laws as well.
The whole 'Great White Hunter' deal has been played out by the 1940's...though Hemingway and Rourke and other assholes tried to keep that going.
Also while we're at it....long line fishing is SHIT, that's probably one of the most worthless things humans do right there.
I've read that bear is incredibly good, depending on what the bear has been eating. A diet of berries leads to a flavorful bear, while a diet of fish means you should pass on that bear.
It was a plastic BB gun dude, basically a supercharged toy ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
I took one in the face with no mask on, hurt like fuck, bit of a welt but no permanent damage. It scared the fox, little more.
Most times I have eaten bear I've had it as a roast...you have to cook it properly or else it's like trying to eat rubber bands. It's very tasty, but again I don't think I could bring myself to shoot one and then clean one...whew boy that is some work right thereQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold