Frank Bruno in his prime vs David Haye in his prime...who you guys backing?
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Frank Bruno in his prime vs David Haye in his prime...who you guys backing?
Haye would possibly be too quick.
Robot Bruno would make it a good fight though.
Haye was more athletic, but Bruno was an honest to God heavyweight who wasn't afraid of fighting anyone....Bruno by KO maybe round 6 or so.
Bruno would use his ram rod jab to keep Haye away and clutch his way to a victory.
Bruno could wear Haye down with his larger frame.
But liable to get caught whilst Haye was dangerous for first 6-7 rounds
I'd have to slightly favour Bruno
Neither of them were known for having good stamina. It could come down to whoever gasses first loses.
People talk about Bruno's chin, but it really wasn't too bad. He never got sparked out by a single punch, it was moren the accumulative effects but he wasn't that good at surviving bad periods. Big guy, big puncher and a more than decent boxer too. Brave, of course.
Haye was a really good athlete, a surprisingly big guy too. Depended a lot on that freakish athleticism and power and wasn't as good technically as Bruno. Chin was fine. Good fighter at his best, which wasn't really while he was at heavyweight.
If they fought ten times, I reckon Bruno wins seven of them.
bruno inside 6
Say what you will about Bruno, he more often than not showed up to fight and faced to big challenges. Haye would have the speed but he could be ground down. Bruno tko.
I think Bruno wears down the smaller David Haye, who might Score a quick Knock Down
Or even a pair of knockdowns let's say in the third round. But Bruno would survive that and clutch his way to a recovery by about the fifth round.
I think haye may have guessed by 6th round trying to take Bruno out of there
Then I see Bruno the robot starting to ramrod with his powerful left Jab catching a fatigued David Haye on his way in over and over and over
I see Bruno jabbing his way to a unanimous decision
Bruno couldn't hit Haye with a handful of rice. He would have been made a mug of and stopped on his feet as per usual, somewhere around half way.
Bruno just needs to clip Haye and David would go into negative mode. Bruno was big and more powerful than Haye but do think he would try his mind games but think they would be ineffective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
He hit a prime Mike Tyson whose defense was far and away better than Haye'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Uno Clifton Tyson pretty hard there
And if Tyson went into a fight with Bruno looking to initially be defensive as Haye probably would, Frank wouldn’t lay a glove on him either. Besides Tyson already had Bruno going at that point. He wasn’t concerned about no defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe hit a prime Mike Tyson whose defense was far and away better than Haye'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Well that's not Tyson's style at all so I mean yeah could be different I guess. Bruno vs Lennox Lewis, Lennox wasn't even seemingly interested in the fight at all early on and Bruno did good work on him before eventually getting caught and I think that's the crux right there....if Bruno could do the work without getting caught...Haye would have to follow up on him of course and he could be wild in doing that which is why I think Bruno catches him even if Haye hurts Bruno. I think it could have been a Graham vs Jackson kind of fight where it's boxing lesson, boxing lesson, boxing lesson, oopsy goodnight sweetheart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I don't think (had they been around in the same era) that Haye would have fought Bruno. Let's say that at the time Haye went after Valuev that instead of Valuev with the title it was Bruno....I think if that were the case he'd go directly after Wladimir because a power punching heavyweight would have completely exposed him and it would have ruined his career. I think he only took on Valuev and Ruiz is because it garnered him more money in a fight vs Wlad...had Valuev or Ruiz been dangerous he wouldn't have fought them.
David Haye really fucked his own career up, no one to blame but himself. He still achieved some big things, and he was a top class athlete, but he fucked himself over.
David Haye
What can I say
A lump of clay
No Cassius was he
His pinky toe
Woe woe woe!
Have posted this a few times over the years but I always think of the what might have been for Frank had Jumbo Cummings landed a few seconds earlier in first
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp1od...?v=xp1odQQ6N7E
The fights for Haye that make me think a bit are as follows: RJJ, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, Dwight Qawi, Joe Mesi, Bert Cooper, James Tillis, Michael Moorer, Tony Tucker, Michael Dokes, Razor Ruddock, Povetkin, Odlanier Solis, Sam Peter, Chris Byrd, Jameel McCline, Vassily Jirov, Oleg Maskaev, Hasim Rahman.
When I think of Haye I think of a lot of the "tweeners" the guys who are too big for 175 or cruiser but not really big enough to be THE heavyweight.....guys like Qawi or Eddie Mustafa Muhammad. I think there are guys who are a lot tougher than Haye a lot more dedicated to the sport than Haye but some not as athletically gifted. Some of the fighters listed are true heavyweights but they are slightly lacking except Holyfield he didn't lack for anything. Out of these Haye vs Moorer is one I think would be the most exciting and the best "What if" because both were great athletes, both had dodgey chins, both had big power, both had handspeed and both had at times (no disrespect meant) questionable hearts for the sport of boxing.
For Frank Bruno I think of competition for him more of the TRUE heavyweights: George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Joe Frazier, Evander Holyfield, Tommy Morrison, Razor Rudduck, Riddick Bowe, Wladimir, Vitali, Andrew Golota, Lamon Brewster, Hasim Rahman, Oleg Maskaev, Chris Byrd, Michael Dokes, David Tua, Ray Mercer, and Michael Grant.
I think Frank was an excellent puncher, not too quick on his feet, a little stiff, but he would sit down on his shots and they'd do damage. I think he had trouble (as most do) when he was stunned by a punch, but I think his chin was pretty durable, you didn't see him sparked with 1 shot it was usually 1 big punch and a flurry to follow up which would put him down. I think it would have been interesting to see him work with a pure boxer like Byrd or Dokes who would make Bruno give chase and it would be very interesting to see how he dealt with the speed and counters much more so than just pure power. Out of these I think the BEST most intriguing fight is Bruno vs Golota or Bruno vs Morrison....all were chinny when stunned, all had good power, all good sized heavyweights, and all a LITTLE too inconsistent in their eras to ever be THE man of the division but they were very good.
For Bruno vs Haye it's all about Haye's ability to stick to a classic hit and don't get hit boxing game plan, and for Bruno it's about landing clean on the smaller guy and not getting caught while attempting to do that.
Yup to all.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell that's not Tyson's style at all so I mean yeah could be different I guess. Bruno vs Lennox Lewis, Lennox wasn't even seemingly interested in the fight at all early on and Bruno did good work on him before eventually getting caught and I think that's the crux right there....if Bruno could do the work without getting caught...Haye would have to follow up on him of course and he could be wild in doing that which is why I think Bruno catches him even if Haye hurts Bruno. I think it could have been a Graham vs Jackson kind of fight where it's boxing lesson, boxing lesson, boxing lesson, oopsy goodnight sweetheart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I don't think (had they been around in the same era) that Haye would have fought Bruno. Let's say that at the time Haye went after Valuev that instead of Valuev with the title it was Bruno....I think if that were the case he'd go directly after Wladimir because a power punching heavyweight would have completely exposed him and it would have ruined his career. I think he only took on Valuev and Ruiz is because it garnered him more money in a fight vs Wlad...had Valuev or Ruiz been dangerous he wouldn't have fought them.
David Haye really fucked his own career up, no one to blame but himself. He still achieved some big things, and he was a top class athlete, but he fucked himself over.