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At the moment there is a close contest between Winky and floyd for the p4p number one spot. If Winky beats jermain wouldn't the victory demand winky the number one spot. coz winky's last four fights have included soliman, trinidad, and 2 of mosley fights which his performances were shere humiliation for his opponents the same can be said about floyd's last 4 performances but they were against mitchell, gatti, bruselles and corley.
maybe if mayweather looses on saturday it might
I'd say Winky's already there for the reason u just said
The outcome of this saturday will make no difference. Winky is the best pound for pound boxer in the sport right now. He made Felix Trinidad look like an amature, some thing nobody expected. Not to mention what he did to Mosley (twice). He is the man to beat right now in the sport of boxing and a win against the undisputed midle wight champ will only reasure the fact that he is the best right now.
If Wright wins, and Floyd wins, Wright gets the nod.
In the beginning when we started our P4P list...guess who I had first...Winkus!
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,25173.0.html
u remember who i had first ;D ?Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
I have Winky at number 1 P4P now. Not sure what to do if he loses!! If Pacman wins against Morales third time around, I HAVE to have him at number 1.
Seriously?? what would Pac beating a shot Morales again do for him?? I think Manny is stuck at no.3 until Wright or PBF lose.. Between those 2 though, it's a tough call really, becase Taylor is a huge step up from anyone Winky has ever fought, considering his size.. Tito was never really a true middle and Mosley was best at 135.. Taylor would be a massive win that probably would put Wright at no.1 even with most experts... But I think people are just looking for reasons to take PBF off the top spot as of right now... I mean come on, how in the hell can the P4P positions change overnight without these fights happening?? suddenly ppl are saying Winky is above PBF??? WTF?!? Why, because he beat Soliman 3 months ago, and now is scheduled to beat Taylor and most ppl think he'll win that? It doesnt make any sense.. Suppose PBF dominates Judah, then after the fight he signs to fight Margarito, and then Hatton... I bet then ppl will still have him as the no.1 guy until he loses, even though no fights have actually taken place. My point is noone was putting Wright above PBF a few months ago why now.. Just the way I see it.
i think taylor will ko him
and winky will have to settle for 3rd place
I think on pure skill PBF is better by a smudge, depends on how you want to split the hair. I think that Winky makes up for any of that by the quality of opposition he has fought. Winky's opponents are far superiour to what PBF has fought lately. Even if PBF wins Winky should be the p4p #1.
PBF is fighting a guy that is coming off a loss, has been Koed in 2 rounds, and beaten 3 times - I don't rate Taylor or Judah, but Winky gets number 1 for me if he wins.
I don't like Winky. I'll say it. I hate his style. His nature of fighting. He makes the other guys commit, which I think is bogus.
I say I'm hyped about the Taylor Winky fight, only because I'm a fight fan who knows it's special to have this happen immediately. I think Taylor isn't what many thought he was. He let many of his fans down on the Hopkins fight. You take a title from an old aging fighter, not give him RESPECT, especially if your fighting old geezer grampa. heh Ricky Hatton showed what your supposed to do to an aging fighter; use your youth, talent, determination, will and beat the hell outta him.
But if Wright wins this one, he pretty much dominates two divisions, and I may say "solidly."
Can't argue Winky's recent challenging fights. Should he win this one, strong arguments are in for Winky at the number one spot. Then, the only way I'd give Pacquiao the nod over him, is if he takes out Barrera in a rematch, which he is more than capable of doing.
Mayweather at number one. Horrible for boxing, considering the fighters Chamiley mentions he has currently dominated.
I disagree. If they both win, Floyd should still remain #1 P4P. He's undefeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
Thats what am thinking, Winky is taking on the best available in his division without a second thought, the only other person with the same attitude thats given the best opponents their opportunity is Manny Pacquaio.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff
If Winky or Manny were in Floyds shoes they would be lookin to fight either....Cotto, Margarito or Hatton.
if winky wins and put on a dominating performance and pbf turns in a lackluster showing or loses against judah is the only time i'd put him at no. 1. i don't think winky should overtake mayweather if wins a close fight with taylor most especially if it would turn out to be a controversial one.
This will be the tuffest debate of our P4P list...no shat.
It was in the beginning...but if WInky does indeed win...& so does Floyd...we'll have to compare apples to apples with these two.
Can Winky still make 154, they could settle this argument the old-fashioned way.
the best boxer in the world is butterbean.
I'm sure that he could make it...but it would probably kill him in one department or the other...look at all the ones that have hopped & skipped through the weights...they lose something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Butterbean This! :sadclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by briggs
Heh heh heh. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
well with that logic Joe calzaghe should have been #1 long time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
and Sven Ottke the G.O.A.TQuote:
Originally Posted by chamiley
If Jermain beats winky then does he not challenge for the number one pfp slot?
I can't see him being #1, but he deserves top 10, probably top 5. People are going to discredit him, saying he got a gimme both times against B-HOP. If he barely beats Wright, the same thing might be said. If he destroys Wright, then he'll get more credit all the way across. Taylor is stuck in a position, because it's hard to look good against Wright or B-HOP. Without convincingly winning, he won't get the proper credit, but still, wins against B-HOP and wright, deserves something. Narrow wins, robberies, or flukes,or flat out wins, he will still deserve credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLuke
I can't see them taking it away form PBF if he ko's Zab Judah... and plans a fight against a big opponent for september or earlier... I truly can't ... IMO he's far ahead of Winky for p4p just because he's so much better p4p.Quote:
Originally Posted by chamiley
I agree that Floyd is a better all-around fighter, but everyone is on the "What have you done for me lately" thing, when it comes to p4p lists. Roy was more talented, and well rounded than Tito, but Tito was ranked higher because he fought like 5 champs and 2 former champs in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
When it comes to Pound For Pound rankings, it's not about how skilled you are, it's what your doing and have done that counts.
4 years will pass, with Floyd having his two best fighters, Corely and Judah, both having lost their previous fights when they met the Pretty Boy.
You guys are measuring your p4p on all-around-talent/skill. You've got it all wrong.
Because if boxing was just "skill" or if YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IT AS JUST "SKILL."
Then you better rethink your boxing knowledge.
I'm going to be nice and give you a hint:
"It's character that make a fighter beat a better fighter." -Cus D'Amato
Better fighter means a more skilled fighter. And you figure out what character is.
And if all that mattered was "skillz," then every fight would be predictable!
Some, and if I will, most of you guys are measuring too much on skills. Great example of a fighter who didn't depend on his skills to win; Rocky Marciano. Joe Louis once said, “He doesn’t know too much about the boxing book, but it wasn’t a boxing book he hit me with. It was a whole library of bone crushers.”
And hanging on to this silly "0" that is only meaningful if Floyd was "The Truth" at 140 and 147.
Three and a half years ago, he proved it at 130 and 135, but he takes on high profile tune-ups. And Winky is going on upsetting everyone, risking, and working hard and you guys still say...
"Floyd still hasn't lost."
That just encourages Floyd to keep on taking safe and easy money fights! Cause that's all he has to do to stay on top, according to you guys. Just keep that "O" even if it's against girl scouts.
Nonsense, no wonder fighters keep taking safe fights these days, cause you'll all write him off and call him a loser for just a loss.
CC Gyrokai,(what does your name mean?sounds like a manga character!). You wrote down everything I was thinking,P4P cannot be based on skill alone,opponents is just an important factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
It means "Bad Mother F*cker.":badass: O0 cc back at yah. ;D
Nah, I have no clue what it means.
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Talent alone doesn't make you the p4p champ. But opponents won't make you a p4p champ if you are losing to them. It's a combination of both. If a fighter has skill and fights tough fighters, and wins some of those fights, then he should be considered for a p4p list. I understand where you are coming from about fighters taking the safe route because losses may write that fighter off. I don't look at it that way. I think Arce is one of the best p4p, and I think Wright is #1 p4p.My point is, skill has to be part of the equation, as well as comp, and comebacks after losses. The way you describe it, an unskilled fighter can fight a bunch of top guys, and lose half of them, but still be considered p4p. Fighting those fighters may make him courageous, but not p4p the best.
P.S. I had to bust your balls a little because I know you dislike Floyd. ;D
CC good points too and nice last sentence!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
"Your breakin' my balls here!" :D
By the way, .... I know you know what I meant. ;) b*stard. haha
"Skillz payz the billz" I know the saying. Of course "skills" plays a part, but by no means makes a fighter.
But the way these guys talk, it's all but skills. And maybe they don't even know it, but that's what theybase it on. If that were so, Ivan Calderon would be in the top ten list, cause that man bores me to death with his dominant skill over his opposition.
Aghh, I'm going to sleep. :cwm33: cc back at yah.