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Is he ready and can he take the big shot when he inevitably gets caught with one? I’m starting to like Fury for showing such courage to take this fight, especially so early into his comeback.He might just be able to outbox Wilder, but I think he gets caught n KOd down the stretch. What say you guys?
I think it is too soon for Tyson but Wilder is raw and vulnerable himself so if anyone can pull this off it could be Tyson.
I am starting to believe in him.
I would make fury the favourite, Wilder is impressively powerful and determined but fury is very good at bending the rules in fights and great at roughing people up, I think his leaning and pushing will wear Wilder down pretty quick, there is around a 25lb weight difference between the too.. Wilder is really not that great either someone with a good jab will scramble his brain pretty easy. So for me fury wears him down and stops him then gets blown up by joshua.
Of course Wilder could one punch KO him too.. He does have amazing power.
I also think fury will pull out of the fight a month before once he sees how little him and Wilder sells in America.
Can Fury actually beat Wilder?
No
Fury getting away with lacking ring fitness and reflexes. All of this is resolved by more fights. The tools were always there.
If he takes a fight this year with Wilder, I can only conclude he is after a final payday as he needs more fights to get ready for tougher/trickier opponents.
Wilders skinny little pretzel legs like little pretzel sticks will Wilt after about five rounds of Tyson Fury leaning on him constantly and roughing him up spinning him around pushing him and laying on him
Fury is then going to turn Wilder's head sideways with his left forearm and chop the side of his neck with a magnificent right hand coming down like an anvil and possibly break his neck.
6th Round
500 quid
That's a good point my Armenian ass assassin, there's a big weight difference.... Actually closer to 40lbs going by their last weigh ins.... That's a lot of weight on Wilders relatively small legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Round six sounds a bit early though, Wilder really has ac lot of determination and fury doesn't hit that hard for his size, I would bet on it being a later stoppage.
I’ve been pondering “how good is Tyson Fury” all day and can’t seem to find an answer I can get behind. My thoughts just become more abstract. Like “is hard to beat the same as good”, meaning he isn’t so strong, isn’t so fit, isn’t so coordinated, this means isn’t so good normally. But for his size he has absolutely amazing head movement, he has great balance (perhaps because he doesn’t commit), he is quick, he is accurate(again, for his size)
After a spell I start thinking “is Tyson Fury the most skilled man we have ever seen at this size?” I just can’t come to an answer on him from he got lucky to catch Wladimir when he did all the way to his toolbox has enough to make him very very hard to beat.
I’ll say it, I have no clue what Tyson Fury really is. I thought he was a fraud years ago, a clown. I definitely don’t think that anymore. But I’m no closer to a judgement on him.
At least unlike some he isn’t laying out his career according to some master maximizing plan. He’s fighting the fight that matters. Have to respect that. Props to him and Wilder for being fighters, I had them both wrong.
Fury is a huge equally off the wall fella who knows he pulled it off before. That's a solid asset to bring into a ring. Unfortunately he's also been knocked silly by a wide right from one puffed up cruiserweight in Steve Cunningham. As flawed as Wilder is and as much as he leaves his doors open beyond anything other than a sharp 1-2..he sells out full bore on his punch. He showed some actual poise and timing early with Ortiz but if his bell in rung he'll go out on his shield and I can't say same about Fury. Then again all things being equal.. save for Ortiz ? it's a big step up for Wilder. Semi warming to this one and the freak show aspect helps ;D. It's a good move having Fury come over with fan base in tow. Crazy to think it's only Wilders second time in Vegas.
anyone want to wager on an 'injury' postponing it ;D.
I really don't think fury has that big of a fan base at all... don't fall for the pikey bollocks... today the lineal champ on the comeback trail (after a two year drug ban) takes on a heavyweight and all the posts in the thread were master doing a rbr. ... whyte had way more intrest. . He was fighting parker to be fair bit still. .. fury let his fame pass him by (by being banned for two years).. and wilder doesn't have a big fan base either so I'm on the postponment bandwagon tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Fury forever the rodeo clown is still a guy who blows up media wise no pun intended. He and Wilder showmanship wise will be signed by Vince McMahon by the final bell and Wilder needs a real push. Didn't AJ actually call Furys name out after his last fight? Fact that fat reformed Fury has multi threads says it ;D. Would have preferred Whyte been saying but he's far more of a threat. This better not be ppv.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI really don't think fury has that big of a fan base at all... don't fall for the pikey bollocks... today the lineal champ on the comeback trail (after a two year drug ban) takes on a heavyweight and all the posts in the thread were master doing a rbr. ... whyte had way more intrest. . He was fighting parker to be fair bit still. .. fury let his fame pass him by (by being banned for two years).. and wilder doesn't have a big fan base either so I'm on the postponment bandwagon tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It is Showtime PPV. Least that’s what I heard them say back in studio.Don’t see it doing too well on PPV...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliFury forever the rodeo clown is still a guy who blows up media wise no pun intended. He and Wilder showmanship wise will be signed by Vince McMahon by the final bell and Wilder needs a real push. Didn't AJ actually call Furys name out after his last fight? Fact that fat reformed Fury has multi threads says it ;D. Would have preferred Whyte been saying but he's far more of a threat. This better not be ppv.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI really don't think fury has that big of a fan base at all... don't fall for the pikey bollocks... today the lineal champ on the comeback trail (after a two year drug ban) takes on a heavyweight and all the posts in the thread were master doing a rbr. ... whyte had way more intrest. . He was fighting parker to be fair bit still. .. fury let his fame pass him by (by being banned for two years).. and wilder doesn't have a big fan base either so I'm on the postponment bandwagon tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It will be ppv here and over in your country.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkIt is Showtime PPV. Least that’s what I heard them say back in studio.Don’t see it doing too well on PPV...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliFury forever the rodeo clown is still a guy who blows up media wise no pun intended. He and Wilder showmanship wise will be signed by Vince McMahon by the final bell and Wilder needs a real push. Didn't AJ actually call Furys name out after his last fight? Fact that fat reformed Fury has multi threads says it ;D. Would have preferred Whyte been saying but he's far more of a threat. This better not be ppv.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqI really don't think fury has that big of a fan base at all... don't fall for the pikey bollocks... today the lineal champ on the comeback trail (after a two year drug ban) takes on a heavyweight and all the posts in the thread were master doing a rbr. ... whyte had way more intrest. . He was fighting parker to be fair bit still. .. fury let his fame pass him by (by being banned for two years).. and wilder doesn't have a big fan base either so I'm on the postponment bandwagon tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Who really buys this lumbering galoot ? he is big and awkward that's pretty much all he has.
He cant punch , he looks awful , he is a total prick when he opens his mouth.
If Frank Bruno had fought Pianeta he would have done him in a round and we would all be talking about how poor an opponent he was.
"I needed the rounds" is just a smoke screen , a glorified sparring session at best , and it proved nothing.
My money is on Wilder on this one. Too soon for Fury, Wilder has fought big guys like Fury and wore them down, Fury is not a super-puncher- or else he would have stretched Wlad- and Wilder has now proven he can take a punch from a great boxer in that of Ortiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Could go the distance. But all depends on how they see Fury down the stretch, but I believe Wilder just may have more in the tank to fight harder after 8 or 9 rounds than Fury can at this time.
Don't kid yourself. Anybody and I mean anybody who is the size and the stature of Tyson Fury can easily kill a man with a punch with the right Leverage.
Fury couldn't stop a guy who has been stuffed out on several occasions, but is now going to knock Wilder the f-ck out?
I think Wilder wins this one.
Can Fury beat Wilder? Anything is possible, but I would very very heavily bet against it.
Where does the idea Wilder has no fan base come from other than Eddie?
Are people really comfortable ignoring years of emperical evidence?
Wilder has been getting great ratings in the USA for years. Does Spence have a fan base while getting half the viewers?
Sure, Wilder v Fury could flop. Neither has proven to be a PPV draw. But very few fighters currently have proven to be a PPV draw. Hopefully it does flop. F PPV. But let’s be real, people have tuned in for Wilder for years. And Fury will get people talking. A real HW champ fighting a real HW champ is a rare thing. Enjoy it. Hopefully it’s a double KO.
The thing is most fighters aren’t ppv. So we go on ratings for “free” fights. Well loads of people will watch as it’s free (or none ppv shall we say.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
So the way we can establish if he has a big following or fan base is by the live audience figures that actually go to watch. And what sort of audiences does Wilder attract?
Or to put it rather bluntly, if he’s got such a big fan base, why do 2 men and a dog go to watch him live? And why does he not top bills in Vegas?
Just curious.
Wilder himself has complained about a lack of US fans supporting him, he says he has more fans in Britain than the US.
Now without doubt there are silly fans who repeat what Eddie says without understanding the motive or context but compared to Joshua he has no fans. Like Fury has no fans compared to Joshua. And so on. It doesn't mean they can't make a successful promotion and earn a lot of money.
What are the purses for Wilder and Fury? I assume Wilder is getting more than $15 million?
Real heavyweight champ? Please. Did you purposely ignore the other thread about Fury being champ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Fury retired to deal with his addiction and depression/ drug ban. You may not want to recognise his retirement/ ban, but only if you see nothing wrong with cheating.
Sorry to sit on the fence again, but Warren just overpaid some so called competitive 'contender' in probably his retirement fight, tame newspapers are bigging up the 'shut out' victory for Tyson, my mates who actually watched it tell me it was a shit fight between two shit fighters. Frampton, or free viewing in lowdown pubs with BT sport, made it marginally acceptable for a night out. So now we've got a big lummox who can actually move and box a bit, but cant punch, can lean hold and foul, against a smaller man who can't box, has a massive punch against anyone who's got his feet nailed to the floor. I'm not defending the other camps with Joshua etc, they have their faults as well, but this 'contest', if it ever takes place, is more like Big Brother, or I'm a celebrity than pro boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraThe thing is most fighters aren’t ppv. So we go on ratings for “free” fights. Well loads of people will watch as it’s free (or none ppv shall we say.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
So the way we can establish if he has a big following or fan base is by the live audience figures that actually go to watch. And what sort of audiences does Wilder attract?
Or to put it rather bluntly, if he’s got such a big fan base, why do 2 men and a dog go to watch him live? And why does he not top bills in Vegas?
Just curious.
Fury can only use his weight on Wilder, if Deontay is the aggressor. Hard to imagine DW constantly coming forward. Even though the skinny guy isn't a great boxer, I can see this as a chess match until either commits to taking the fight to the other.
I still think Fury is overrated based on beating a shell of a champion who was gun shy and old. I mean it isn't as though Wlad had been dazzling against a stream of Vitali's, Tyson's, or Lewis'. Then Fury decided to essentially blow up, become a drug addict, and is now going to comeback and dazzle the world? He only has one significant win IMO.
I think Wilder sparks him badly. It will be awkward for a while because Fury is so big and Wilder will need to adjust, but once he windmills, I see timber.
I've always thought Fury would outbox Wilder, for obvious reasons, however, his lack of power is looking more and more a huge disadvantage, twelve rounds is a long time with such an explosive puncher as Wilder. Even if he doesn't spark Fury he only needs a certain amount of explosive bursts per round/fight to washover Fury's pitter-patter shit. Fury has proper fighting extinct, he knows how to look after himself, however, Wilder is a violent cunt who could floor anyone in history with the right shot (apart from Oliver McCall, of course).
Fury landed twice as many punches, yeah but Wilder landed more "power shots" - blah, blah, blah
Great matchup, regardless.
If nothing else, Fury's win over Pianeta has spawned a two-page thread such as this one, wondering out loud whether Fury can "actually beat" Wilder.
It's hard to see that scenario. Less than 1% probability Fury knocks out Wilder, let's begin with that. Fury doesn't have the power to bother Wilder, and he'd never commit to try, fearful of what might be coming back. That leaves a decision win. Fury won a ridiculously boring fight vs Wlad because basically Wlad threw 4 punches a round. Fury had gotten into his head and Wlad was scared sh*tless. That won't be the case with Wilder. So Fury will have to contend with Wilder's bombs, wild or not, for 12 rounds. I suppose Fury could grapple, dodge, frustrate, and otherwise avoid Wilder's bombs throughout the fight. Wilder doesn't have the fluid boxing skills it takes to break through all that nonsense. But it would only take one. So it's either Fury by nauseting, ugly decision.... or Wilder by knockout. That's where the odds should be placed. Right now I'd say it's 70/30 in favor of a Wilder KO.
I think it's really funny how so many people in this thread are saying that Fury has no power. That has to be the funniest thing I have ever read.
Tyson Fury isn't ready to fight Wilder, he needs another few warm-up fights and more time to get back to his best.
He has lost what power he had. When someone loses a lot of weight in a short period of time they lose a lot of strength, but with exercise and a good diet, the strength returns after a year or so.
Pianeta is a cancer survivor, he's been rather fragile since he had chemo and was KOed by Chagaev and even by light-hitting Kevin Johnson. Yet Fury was not strong enough to hurt him at all or knock him down yesterday.
This reminds me of Jeffries vs. Johnson. Jeffries had been a great heavyweight and was retired. He lost about 100 pounds in a short period of time, and wasn't strong enough to fight Johnson.
Fury may kill Wilder
In a rage after Wilder knocks him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Fury either plans to get 8 figures from this one and retire straight after or he is more than ready and has that ace up his sleeve.
First three rounds will be electric. Fury gets through those then it's his as is extra weight will start to have an effect.
I don't know, Mark. I don't think Wilder will go in there expecting an early KO. His bigger fights he tends to sit back, give away a few rounds, observe, tire his man down a bit, and then strike like a cobra. Wilder is athletic and can move around, certainly more than the likes of Wlad who most definitely has always had to pace himself. Wilder will throw in combination and is a tall rangy man himself. I cannot see Fury being ready. You cannot lose that weight, be as uninterested as he was and come back and beat Wilder IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Agreed but it would be fantastic if he did manage to pull it off, regardless of how poor the fight may turn out to be if it goes all the way to points that would be some achievement for Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
he'll go in there wanting to hurt him early and prove he's boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI don't know, Mark. I don't think Wilder will go in there expecting an early KO. His bigger fights he tends to sit back, give away a few rounds, observe, tire his man down a bit, and then strike like a cobra. Wilder is athletic and can move around, certainly more than the likes of Wlad who most definitely has always had to pace himself. Wilder will throw in combination and is a tall rangy man himself. I cannot see Fury being ready. You cannot lose that weight, be as uninterested as he was and come back and beat Wilder IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
What I'm saying is longer this goes on I favour Fury
He'll be in better shape than we've seen him so far
everybody said Primo carnera could not punch any killed two people in the ring. He was a giant and so is Tyson Fury. Anybody that size and that stature could kill someone in the ring given the right angle and the Right Punch. Don't kid yourself Tyson Fury made very well kill Wilder
Wilder is better judge of distance than fury is. Wilder only needs to find the courage to throw his shots. If he misses, is fury going to mug him on the counters. Doesn't seem likely after this weekends performance. Fury invited the shorter man in all night to show off his defense and then found him so close that he smothered any leverage on Fury's punches.
Wilder will have to work a little hard on delivery (not square up as much and bring the right across his body hidden behind the lead shoulder) with Fury's evasive head movement but the power will still be there. So i figure something like Wilder goes out to establish dominance in the first 4 or so. Fury plays sleeping dog hoping wilder wears himself out like he did against Ortiz, so he can capitalize in the middle rounds... but then starts trying to do his ali imitation rather than KO wilder because he wore himself out. Wilder weathers the storm and somewhere around 9 or 10 breaks his hand on Fury's melon and wins the fight via split decision (rematch marketing) from his bicycle. They'll talk and try to set up the rematch the UK side of the pond.
Wilder is freakishly unorthodox, and commits to his power shots. He is fit, brave and an exceptional athlete.
But he is not a technically good, or smart boxer. He came to the game late.
Fury has been boxing all his life, his background is a fighter's background. He has exceptional movement for such a big man and solid technique (albeit he is not really a big puncher)
The two things he has going for him are his size ..... he is a HUGE unit, who can fight like a big man and use his weight very effectively. He has ring smarts too.
The second thing is that he is a genuine nutcase. He won't be overawed or psyched out. He is unpredictable and does a very very good job of getting into people's heads.
Assuming he is more than half fit, of course he can beat Wilder.
Anything can happen and IF Fury actually comes back and still has it then yeah he could beat Wilder and he could beat Joshua...depends on the night, depends on how dedicated Fury is to being a top level fighter.
Tyson Fury is going to kill and I mean accidentally kill Deontay Wilder with an uppercut when Wilder is flailing away like a windmill and leaving his chin wide open and a bit high up in the air. Tyson Fury is going to crouch down because he is like an agile bobcat for his size and when he crouches down he is going to come up with an uppercut from underneath and it is literally going to possibly kill Deontay Wilder