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Source: ESPN Dan Rafael
Middleweight world titleholder Billy Joe Saunders has failed a Voluntary Anti-Doping Association drug test for the banned substance oxilofrine, a stimulant, multiple sources with knowledge of the test results told ESPN on Thursday.
Saunders has been preparing for an Oct. 20 defense against Demetrius Andrade in Boston, but that is likely to be cancelled and Saunders is likely to be stripped of his 160-pound world title.
BJS was fined £100,000 to his latest video antics and just when it could not get any worse this happens. Stripped and loses title, defence and money.
ah its alright, he hasn't fought since December last year, a back dated 6 month ban and he is good to go :rolleyes:
honestly though the geeza is a fucking prick and an idiot if true, after all the shit he gave Canelo when he failed the test.
although it'll be interesting to see what happens to him as the first big name to fail since old ginger pubes
It's the same stimulant that the 100m sprinter Tyson Gay got caught using about 5 years ago.
What a fool Saunders has become, fined £100k earlier in the week and now this.
What is oxilofrine?
Oxilofrine is a stimulant of the amphetamine class that was developed to treat hypotension (low blood pressure) in people who do not respond to conventional treatment. Oxilofrine is the prescription name for methylsynephrine, hydroxyephrine and oxyephrine. It is not widely used in the UK and is not a licensed drug in the US. Some firms use oxilofrine, in the form of synephrine, in so-called sports nutritional supplements as it is thought to allow people to burn fat faster and lose weight. Synephrine is a natural component of Citrus aurantium, otherwise known as bitter orange, but it can also be synthesised or extracted from plant sources.
What are its effects?
Oxilofrine is thought to increase adrenaline production, boosting endurance, focus, alertness and heart rate and increasing oxygenation of the blood
Wouldn’t be a great loss to the Boxing world would it. Fuck me, these “Travellers” sure know how to self destruct don’t they? :rolleyes:
Has to be mescaline? Makes sense now. Numbers on the cunty toxicology report must be through the roof.
What a fucking idiot.
Everybody relax. Nothing more than tainted meat. He’s been sucking Kid Galahad’s cock.
Karma's b-tch.
I doubt they can find a replacement for the title fight before Oct-20. That guy Kautondokwo who was always calling out Saunders might put his hand up, or a rematch for Andrade with Culcay, who is in training, for the vacant title?
Upset about this.
BJS was one of my favourite fighters post Floyd and Ward.
This guy is a brilliant boxer and has now ruined himself with this disgusting drug..both him and Fury should be banned from boxing completely.
I have no times for cheats...Floyd might have suggested Pac was juicing but he passed all the tests..No matter how much I like a fighter, PEDS are the worst thing you can do in a sport like this..
Reinstate GGG as the middleweight champion and give Wlad back all his belts..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxDIdzjvWgk
BJS @BoreRat
Seems to be done confusion about the drug, apparently in the UK it is only illegal to use it in competition, meaning on fight day. We'll see how this plays out.
So Robert Smith has come out and said that Saunders has done no wrong ‘according to UKAD and the BBBoC rules’. This fight is nothing to do with either is it?
When it rains it pours. Is Saunders purposely trying to pull the plug on his career? Doing a pretty damn good job, I'd say.
So apparently Saunders is not in breach.
I'm not really sure where this goes, if they both agreed to VADA testing then it's a fail.
Andrade needs this fight tho, he can't slip back into the background. But if Saunders is dirty (nasal spray) or not, he's dirty.
Legal out of competition or not, I'm pretty sure you still need to inform VADA of any meds you are taking.
It is quite possible in this day and age something quite legal can contain a banned substance. What billy joe was filmed doing to women was fairly despicable, but certainly no more than what other guys have been banned for in the past. I’m somewhat glad his fight seems to still be on, because no matter what it’s a good fight. I think Andrade is a very good fighter who is being underrated and has every chance to win, as well.
The fighter is still responsible at the end of the day for what goes into this bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I agree Andrade doesn't deserve to miss out on this opportunity, but he does deserve to be in the ring with someone that has followed the rules.
Didn't Ortiz' fight with Wilder get cancelled because Ortiz' team didn't put down his medication?
And I know Ortiz had been busted previously and this is Saunders' first time up, but the scenario is similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaThe fighter is still responsible at the end of the day for what goes into this bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I agree Andrade doesn't deserve to miss out on this opportunity, but he does deserve to be in the ring with someone that has followed the rules.
Didn't Ortiz' fight with Wilder get cancelled because Ortiz' team didn't put down his medication?
Oh I’m not pretending be selfless, just saying I think it’s an interesting fight and want to see it anyways. Does always make me wonder what the guy potentially getting fucked over (Andrade here) can do about it though....
Now this is interesting, don't know if there's any truth in it or not but apparently there might not be any nasal sprays that contain oxilofrine.
My feeling is that maybe it should be up to the Opponent? As bad as training for a fight only to have it cancelled last minute may be, having a full camp only to have it cancelled within a week or something really can’t be much worse...
Yea definitely and missing out on the payday. Then possibly being inactive fit several more months.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Not sure how I feel yet about letting the opponent decide, let me think on it.
Another thing, I'm not sure if the UKAD has any say in this, as the fight is in the States and as it's under VADA testing, I think that it might banned.
Didn’t mean to make any comments on geography, it just must suck so much for the guy who puts in a full training camp, then loses the whole opportunity to fight. Takes a lot of time, energy, and earning potential out of his body for absolutely zilch...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaYea definitely and missing out on the payday. Then possibly being inactive fit several more months.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Not sure how I feel yet about letting the opponent decide, let me think on it.
Another thing, I'm not sure if the UKAD has any say in this, as the fight is in the States and as it's under VADA testing, I think that it might banned.
Whichever way this substance got into Saunders body should be irrelevant.
They need to be rock solid against any performance enhancing substance and ban anyone with anything illegal in their system.
Professional athletes/trainers must know what's what in this day and age.
You can't ban one Athlete but not another for having the same drug in their system.
He'll get away with this because the rules say he will but he's able to train & recover better than a clean fighter by using stimulants again because the rules say he can.
VADA are a fucking JOKE and in effect encouraging fighters to take PED substances
Because it's "ok" as long as it doesn't "flag up" on the day of the fight.
The UKAD at the ones saying its ok out of competition, I think it's completely banned by VADA.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Sorry, that part about UKAD having no say, was just another thought I was having.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDidn’t mean to make any comments on geography, it just must suck so much for the guy who puts in a full training camp, then loses the whole opportunity to fight. Takes a lot of time, energy, and earning potential out of his body for absolutely zilch...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaYea definitely and missing out on the payday. Then possibly being inactive fit several more months.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Not sure how I feel yet about letting the opponent decide, let me think on it.
Another thing, I'm not sure if the UKAD has any say in this, as the fight is in the States and as it's under VADA testing, I think that it might banned.
Needs to be some sort of compensation.
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Originally Posted by AlphaThe UKAD at the ones saying its ok out of competition, I think it's completely banned by VADA.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Official VADA rules -
Oxilofrine (a stimulant) is named as the culprit, which is on the VADA watchlist but is stated by official rules must be flagged on the day of the fight.
So as long as they're "made aware" by fight day and believe your story (accidental) your ok to fight.?
What also amazed me is that there's two anti doping outfits here with conflicting views on what substances are banned and what substances are ok.
It's such a grey area it's a Joke and more so in combat sports where the risks to the clean fighter are massive.
I gotta say for as much of a cunt as BJS is turning out to be I don't think that he would take PEDS, at the same time though, as I said with Canelo (who I think would take PEDS) he is a professional athlete earning millions, there isn't any excuse for it.
12 months ago I would have been screaming for him to be banned but a precedent has been set by Canelo which says it alright to be caught
Cheers for that, so it will be down to why they weren't they informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaThe UKAD at the ones saying its ok out of competition, I think it's completely banned by VADA.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Official VADA rules -
Oxilofrine (a stimulant) is named as the culprit, which is on the VADA watchlist but is stated by official rules must be flagged on the day of the fight.
So as long as they're "made aware" by fight day and believe your story (accidental) your ok to fight.?
What also amazed me is that there's two anti doping outfits here with conflicting views on what substances are banned and what substances are ok.
It's such a grey area it's a Joke and more so in combat sports where the risks to the clean fighter are massive.
Yep testing is a bit of a joke really, and if you're only going to get a 6 month ban, it's useless really.
What a fukking wanker. Anyway, knowing the type of cloth Saunders is cut from I wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose. It must of hit him that he wasn't going to beat Andrade and just wanted out of the fight
BJS has proved he has no class outside the ring , now we find out he is a cheat.
Fighters who fail drug tests for PED should be banned for life and all wins declared no contests.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I was thinking the same 😉 he's already fucked Martin Murray over twice with fake injuries earlier this year because ( I think) he knew he was in a real tough fight and didn't fancy losing his belt.
Lost all respect for Saunders now pretty much.
Problem with it being left up to the opponent is it wouldn’t necessarily be the opponent deciding. Some guy in a lower position may not want to fight a guy on PEDs but his promoter tells him to do it. Or he may do it out of need rather than safety. Either is very bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Warrens statement where he states VADA rules confirming that VADA the very people who are supposed to catch drug cheats actually allow an Athlete to take them as long as the Athlete does so "out of competition"
Absolute Joke 😨
Billy Joe Saunders has insisted he is a "clean athlete" following confirmation from the British Boxing Board of Control that he was "not in breach of BBBofC or UKAD anti-doping regulations".
Less than a month before Saunders is due to defend his WBO world middleweight title against Demetrius Andrade, reports emerged of an "adverse analytical finding" in a drugs test.
However, promoter Frank Warren said a nasal spray product that Saunders had used is permitted "out of competition" and that the 29-year-old fighter was not in breach of any BBBofC or United Kingdom Anti-Doping regulations.
In a statement, Warren said: "Following reports of an adverse analytical finding in a test carried out by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) on WBO world middleweight champion, Billy Joe Saunders, we can confirm that the product concerned is permitted to be used 'out of competition' by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (UKAD) in line with the regulations of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA).
"For the avoidance of doubt, the product in question was a common decongestant nasal spray.
"The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) under whose jurisdiction Billy Joe Saunders is licensed are affiliated only to UKAD/WADA.
I get that from a UK standpoint he's done no wrong. His license is in no way in jeopardy and UKAD don't consider it a violation of any rules, I get that. But what about the commission where the fight is taking place and why is it any business of UKAD?
@smashup where did you get that ruling from? There seems to be a lot of blurred lines that I just don't understand. I had a brief read of the policy on the VADA website and couldn't see it. VADA according to what I read doesn't distinguish in/out of competition, it's prohibited. WADA defines oxilofrine as OK out of competition. I don't understand why or how anyone other than the commission sanctioning the fight gets to define what is or isn't in/out of competition.
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Through these mate @Memphis, was reading up on way to work this morning.
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/...ers-drug-test/
https://www.ringnews24.com/2018/09/2...ive-drug-test/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.m...k-13322757.amp
To be honest, I don't really give a fuck whether he gets stripped or banned or not. It's all a fucking joke. you can take PED's but only "out of Competition" !!! what sort of Bullshit is that?? Saunders has already embarrassed himself enough over the last couple of weeks to the extent that he's not really gonna be taken all that seriously in the sport anyway.
I like this guy l... There's no bullshit with him and he's basically saying what we all are.
https://youtu.be/PX12F6wH5JU