Did Inoue step on Payano's foot before landing the right?

I watched it a few times and it seems like after the Japanese landed that jolting left Jab he stepped on the front foot of the South Paw, accidentally of course, and there's a kind of delay of the right hand because I think it looks like he had only been thinking about throwing the Jab but Payano appear to trip backwards in an odd way and it was then that the Japanese saw him off balance and saw the opening and followed with a sort of delayed straight right hand knockout

Right after the jab lands you can see it

I don't think he did. I think he stepped inside Payano's right foot when he jabbed then took a short pivot to the right as he threw the right hand.

Joe I knew you would be the one to comment on this first because you are such the technician and the Tactical expert. It's hard to see, you are right. It could have stepped just inside his lead foot but it does look close.... it is a little bit odd the way Payano sort of tried to step back but then his whole body kind of turned squaring him up a bit, just in time for that whistling right hand that clocked him.

Could be that jab was harder than we realize it may be knocked him back as opposed to him losing some balance due to his foot maybe being stepped on. It's just a weird kind of Left Right combination, like a little hitch in between the left and the right... I'm not sure that the Japanese was thinking of throwing a right at all but then suddenly saw that odd reaction from the jab and so threw it

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Joe I knew you would be the one to comment on this first because you are such the technician and the Tactical expert. It's hard to see, you are right. It could have stepped just inside his lead foot but it does look close.... it is a little bit odd the way Payano sort of tried to step back but then his whole body kind of turned squaring him up a bit, just in time for that whistling right hand that clocked him.

Could be that jab was harder than we realize it may be knocked him back as opposed to him losing some balance due to his foot maybe being stepped on. It's just a weird kind of Left Right combination, like a little hitch in between the left and the right... I'm not sure that the Japanese was thinking of throwing a right at all but then suddenly saw that odd reaction from the jab and so threw it

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i like those hesitations a lot.

https://i.imgur.com/azXZGAn.gif

and it lets you throw your one two quick like this.

https://i.imgur.com/EdCR3hu.gif

because those little hesitations break up your rhythm.

https://i.imgur.com/iBaIwB5.gif

i saw that ko the way you did. it was the hesitation. they dont see it because they cant expect it.

I'm glad somebody else saw that hesitation although let's be honest if it was a hesitation it was like a millisecond haha and yet still you felt there was some kind of a hitch in there like I did. Very interesting that stuff

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I'm glad somebody else saw that hesitation although let's be honest if it was a hesitation it was like a millisecond haha and yet still you felt there was some kind of a hitch in there like I did. Very interesting that stuff

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was it a little like this?

https://i.imgur.com/5Lb3dnv.gif

Yep that's it

Inoue's foot was inside.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Inoue's foot was inside.

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Okay, I couldn't see, but it musta been just a picture perfect 1-2, it was one of the best I ever seen. Inoue is fast and pinpoint.

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Joe I knew you would be the one to comment on this first because you are such the technician and the Tactical expert.

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fucks sake man :D

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Inoue's foot was inside.

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Okay, I couldn't see, but it musta been just a picture perfect 1-2, it was one of the best I ever seen. Inoue is fast and pinpoint.

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Posted a new vid in the other board, much better angles.

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Yep that's it

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my conclusion is, after inoue jabs, a little hesitation signals to payano he is done punching, so its now his turn to punch. my turn. your turn. and at that moment, he gets hit with a right hand.

https://i.imgur.com/x81TuvC.gif

my guess is he was in the process of starting a jab when he gets hit and was interrupted by the right hand.

What really happened is - The pause from Inoue was due to subconsciously admiring how perfect the jab squashed Payano's face in half, he then briefly contemplated whether or not he really is "The One," which delayed the right hand. Fact.

1i2u3y4t5h6n7m8f9m - Inoue sees the world like you post Brock.

All he did was jab then pivot on his left foot to cut the distance the right had to travel and to get all his weight turning on the punch. It also moved him out of line for the other guy's left hand.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

All he did was jab then pivot on his left foot to cut the distance the right had to travel and to get all his weight turning on the punch. It also moved him out of line for the other guy's left hand.

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not so.

https://i.imgur.com/FA608I7.gif

left foot never moves. right foot moves only after the punch has landed. body stays in one place. no pivoting or fancy moving around him as you are implying.

I also felt that the lead left foot of the Japanese fighter did not move until after he landed the follow up straight right hand.

I like the interpretation of the subconscious sort of presumption of "YOU HIT ME THEN I HIT YOU", almost as a given in the Dominican Fighters mind, then a little hitch--- first I thought his foot has been stepped on, that little hitch,---- the interpretation above is also more psychological rather than physical as I had first proposed.

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I also felt that the lead left foot of the Japanese fighter did not move until after he landed the follow up straight right hand.

I like the interpretation of the subconscious sort of presumption of "YOU HIT ME THEN I HIT YOU", almost as a given in the Dominican Fighters mind, then a little hitch--- first I thought his foot has been stepped on, that little hitch,---- the interpretation above is also more psychological rather than physical as I had first proposed.

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thats right. i think that little pause after the jab got payano thinking whatever inoue was doing was over, and in that lapse, gets hit. inoue just had the right mind to notice it to pull the trigger there. i think its more to timing instincts and reflexes, rather than, he put his foot x and he put his hand y, so thats why he got hit. i think that approach is overthinking. i think boxing is more instinctive than it is intellectual.

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All he did was jab then pivot on his left foot to cut the distance the right had to travel and to get all his weight turning on the punch. It also moved him out of line for the other guy's left hand.

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not so.

https://i.imgur.com/FA608I7.gif

left foot never moves. right foot moves only after the punch has landed. body stays in one place. no pivoting or fancy moving around him as you are implying.

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He very clearly does pivot as he throws the right hand; look where he ends up at the end.

And he did step on Payano's foot.

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All he did was jab then pivot on his left foot to cut the distance the right had to travel and to get all his weight turning on the punch. It also moved him out of line for the other guy's left hand.

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not so.

https://i.imgur.com/FA608I7.gif

left foot never moves. right foot moves only after the punch has landed. body stays in one place. no pivoting or fancy moving around him as you are implying.

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He very clearly does pivot as he throws the right hand; look where he ends up at the end.

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this differs from your claim that he jabs, then steps into a different location to throw a right hand.

https://i.imgur.com/rzXzsRc.gif

looks like he throws the right hand from the same place he threw the jab. he only moves elsewhere after the punch lands. but that seemed to be to get out of the way, than a tactic to set up an angle for a punch that he had already threw.

Joe that is a great post. You know instinctively I just felt without seeing their feet in the video that I watched that something happened to Payanos lead right foot, the way in which he slightly squares up even if it's just by a centimeter or two is rather odd and you would not think of taking that defensive position after getting hit with a jab.

Yuzo also makes that great point that is instinctual and not calculated sometimes

Grey's got it correct. Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.

Most of the time when guys are hesitating, its to get the angle or distance on a punch. In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping and pivoting to get around that lead arm take it out of the equation and find his angle. Most martial arts start with a footwork system designed to exploit attack angles. if you jab a guy and he goes straight back, (you're at his 12 on a clock face) you're just closing the distance because hes squared up and you can funnel shots through the guard (he can too though but you can see them coming). If he turns or pivots off (and your at his 3 or 9 you can still find his head over his shoulder or loop shots around his elbows to the body or uppercuts toward his chin if you're close enough ..all from a safe spot. if he pivots off and you're at his 10 or 2 o'clock, his head tends to be behind his lead glove, elbow and shoulder... if his guard is high and if his body is bladed you can't see the power hand which is lined up to your 12 o clock if he turns into you... His head could be where you think it is and his power hand could be scratching his @$$ or he could be lining you up to drop the hammer on you... so you hesitate while you're adjusting while finding you attack angle or closing the distance.

Otherwise you're gambling on whats behind door number one...
A. you shoot a shot around his lead glove (sacrificing distance you get from the full extension of a straight punch) at where you think his head is... you happen to have just enough to land it. maybe he goes down or to sleep....
B. The shot you loop is just on the inside of the lead hand and in perfect position to be parried and taken down while he counters with the power hand to the now unprotected side of your chin/temple/face.
C. You're not close enough because you didn't take that extra step and you fall short, leaving you overextended and off balance... (see B. )
D. You shot a straight punch for the sake of continuing an all out assault, He takes it on the lead glove/ elbow/ shoulder and turns into you with the ugliest counter you've never seen (See B.)
E. You throw to the body and land something that maybe doesn't have much on it or he turns away and the ref calls it a kidney punch. The point is you take your hand away from your face to deliver a low percentage shot and well... you know where it goes from there.

It's a nasty proposition by the numbers. Most fighters work based on throwing punches based on target acquisition, (which is why so many fights look awful after their reflexes go and they see the target but cant pull the trigger). It pays to take that extra step to get distance or angle.

You guys are too technical for me..... but I like the analysis. ;D


Inoue is definitely amazing.... no doubt about that. Too bad in a way Payano got caught flush and cold. The first round is usually a bad time to take a punch like that.... you haven't tasted too much leather yet, and the shock of a flush shot can be devastating. The same punch in a later round floors him for sure, but may not have knocked him clean out. That being said, it takes nothing away from the amazing-ness that is Inoue. If Emmanuel Rodriguez gets past Moloney, which by all rights he should, he's got a tall task ahead of him if it's Inoue standing in his way. I'll still be rooting for my boy, though.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping

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this didnt happen. there was no additional step.

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Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.

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it sounds like you are saying that he would have pivoted himself into a new location to get a different angle to throw his right hand, if payano's knee didnt get in the way? why are you assuming he needs a different angle to throw his right hand? this is what i mean by overthinking.

Yeah those guys definitely blew me out of the water with that detail. All I knew was and I'm glad at least I got it right that the Japanese guy stepped on the Dominican guys foot and I firmly believe that let him to more easily land the knockout punch

If he did step on his foot, it just adds to the craft really. Inoperable is a serious killer. There was a thread a while back about which top fighter was likely to lose first, a lot of people picked him due to his competition, and I kind of agreed, but no longer. Only way this guy loses is if he moves up in weight any more than he can carry.

Hahaha, Inoperable is a very apt auto correct.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping

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this didnt happen. there was no additional step.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.

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it sounds like you are saying that he would have pivoted himself into a new location to get a different angle to throw his right hand, if payano's knee didnt get in the way? why are you assuming he needs a different angle to throw his right hand? this is what i mean by overthinking.

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He was stepping into a power jab. One motion two different things going on. You're stepping into it to get more power into it but you're gaining ground. When his foot plants as/after the jab is making contact, it becomes the pivoting point for the right hand to come across. He wouldn't move into a new position if Payano's knee wasn't there, but fully turn into the Payanos pocket (12 o clock) and put more force on the right hand. Stepping on Payano's foot might have inhibited him a little because his footing may not have been secure, but it doesn't look like much because hes going to push off and pivot on that foot anyway to get force on the right hand as he turns into him. Pacquiao would do the same thing (blitz you by Stepping in with Power Jab / doubling up on the jab to get you going back and then come across with his left as you pivoted away) only he was a tad more linear because he used to come in faster (which left him open into be turned by his opponents if they countered with hooks and controlled his head as they pivoted off)

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In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping

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this didnt happen. there was no additional step.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.

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it sounds like you are saying that he would have pivoted himself into a new location to get a different angle to throw his right hand, if payano's knee didnt get in the way? why are you assuming he needs a different angle to throw his right hand? this is what i mean by overthinking.

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He was stepping into a power jab. One motion two different things going on. You're stepping into it to get more power into it but you're gaining ground. When his foot plants as/after the jab is making contact, it becomes the pivoting point for the right hand to come across. He wouldn't move into a new position if Payano's knee wasn't there, but fully turn into the Payanos pocket (12 o clock) and put more force on the right hand. Stepping on Payano's foot might have inhibited him a little because his footing may not have been secure, but it doesn't look like much because hes going to push off and pivot on that foot anyway to get force on the right hand as he turns into him. Pacquiao would do the same thing (blitz you by Stepping in with Power Jab / doubling up on the jab to get you going back and then come across with his left as you pivoted away) only he was a tad more linear because he used to come in faster (which left him open into be turned by his opponents if they countered with hooks and controlled his head as they pivoted off)

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this doesnt explain the original claim that he moved himself into a different location to throw his right hand from a new angle. you are contradicting that point here.

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When his foot plants as/after the jab is making contact, it becomes the pivoting point for the right hand to come across.

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if as you say, he throws his right hand from the same place he threw his jab, then the claim that he threw his jab and then moved to somewhere else to throw his right hand cant be true. it has to be one or the other.

https://i.imgur.com/rzXzsRc.gif

the timeline to me seems to be that he throws a jab, waits a little, throws a right hand, then starts to move out of the way after the right hand landed, and not before that. any other interpretation seems like a hasty way to force it to fit into an unrelated narrative.

it also doesnt explain why he would need to throw his right hand from a different angle here in the first place. that strikes me as being a really excessive process to go through to throw the right hand.

i didnt see him step on payano's foot, but maybe he did. can you tell me where on his foot i should be looking at and when so i can understand the relevance of this event? i can blow it up slow it down and make a gif out of it.

i dont really understand the relevance of the pacquio gifs as they pertain to step arounds. for the record this is what a step around looks like.

https://i.imgur.com/Fn5g8oN.gif

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If Emmanuel Rodriguez gets past Moloney, which by all rights he should, he's got a tall task ahead of him if it's Inoue standing in his way. I'll still be rooting for my boy, though.

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Rodriguez should navigate Moloney without any scares. So he will be meeting Inoue in the semi's. Pity, it could have been the final with a different bracket. We still get the fight, and earlier than the finals would be. I think Rodriguez is the 2nd best at 118 based on a head to head, but I just don't see how he beats Inoue. No shame in taking a loss to The Monster tho.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping

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this didnt happen. there was no additional step.

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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.

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it sounds like you are saying that he would have pivoted himself into a new location to get a different angle to throw his right hand, if payano's knee didnt get in the way? why are you assuming he needs a different angle to throw his right hand? this is what i mean by overthinking.

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If so, Inoue would have gotten even more behind the right, and done even more damage/knocked him cold/colder?

What I mean is some people are saying that because the heel of the Japanese fighter landing on the forward foot of the Dominican fighter that he was not able to then pivot to get all of his power into the right hand. And that case I'm assuming that he got maybe two thirds of the power that he had been intending and yet still it knocked the Dominican fighter out almost knocked out cold. I shudder to think the way that right hand may have landed have the Japanese been able to get the full twist of his waist and ass into the punch

Not sure what you guys are watching, but Inoue didn't stand on Payano's foot.

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In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping

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this didnt happen. there was no additional step.

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Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.

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it sounds like you are saying that he would have pivoted himself into a new location to get a different angle to throw his right hand, if payano's knee didnt get in the way? why are you assuming he needs a different angle to throw his right hand? this is what i mean by overthinking.

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He was stepping into a power jab. One motion two different things going on. You're stepping into it to get more power into it but you're gaining ground. When his foot plants as/after the jab is making contact, it becomes the pivoting point for the right hand to come across. He wouldn't move into a new position if Payano's knee wasn't there, but fully turn into the Payanos pocket (12 o clock) and put more force on the right hand. Stepping on Payano's foot might have inhibited him a little because his footing may not have been secure, but it doesn't look like much because hes going to push off and pivot on that foot anyway to get force on the right hand as he turns into him. Pacquiao would do the same thing (blitz you by Stepping in with Power Jab / doubling up on the jab to get you going back and then come across with his left as you pivoted away) only he was a tad more linear because he used to come in faster (which left him open into be turned by his opponents if they countered with hooks and controlled his head as they pivoted off)

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this doesnt explain the original claim that he moved himself into a different location to throw his right hand from a new angle. you are contradicting that point here.

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When his foot plants as/after the jab is making contact, it becomes the pivoting point for the right hand to come across.

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if as you say, he throws his right hand from the same place he threw his jab, then the claim that he threw his jab and then moved to somewhere else to throw his right hand cant be true. it has to be one or the other.

https://i.imgur.com/rzXzsRc.gif

the timeline to me seems to be that he throws a jab, waits a little, throws a right hand, then starts to move out of the way after the right hand landed, and not before that. any other interpretation seems like a hasty way to force it to fit into an unrelated narrative.

it also doesnt explain why he would need to throw his right hand from a different angle here in the first place. that strikes me as being a really excessive process to go through to throw the right hand.

i didnt see him step on payano's foot, but maybe he did. can you tell me where on his foot i should be looking at and when so i can understand the relevance of this event? i can blow it up slow it down and make a gif out of it.

i dont really understand the relevance of the pacquio gifs as they pertain to step arounds. for the record this is what a step around looks like.

https://i.imgur.com/Fn5g8oN.gif

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After zooming and watching it again, you're right he doesn't step on his foot. The "s" printed on the canvas appears to be Inoue's heel stepping on the toe of Payano as he steps over it and inside the right foot while jabbing. The motion of payano's foot popping up just afterwards, suggest there was a suppressed motion before that but that could have been the friction of Payanos instep against the back of Inoue's heel.

Pivoting didn't imply him moving to a different location and it doesn't imply movement of the foot. He moved out of line of the right hand when he stepped inside payano's foot behind his own jab. Pac maybe does the step around in the Bradley gif. But the rest demonstrate that he's doing the same thing done here, which is following behind his jab/ or flash the jab.. and the important part is rolling the rear foot off the outside edge to the inside toe in order pivot/turn off that front foot into the punch. His body turns at the waist and shoulders (would have been knee also if their knees didnt collide-- which also kept payano from turning away. Different storry if Inoue doesnt get his foot inside). The right hand starts outside inoues right foot and ends outside his left foot without fully extension. It comes across it own body and makes contact over his left toe (roughly) and swings his rear foot out of line. The lines of travel before and after he makes contact are perpendicular. That doesnt happen unless you come around and pivot off that the lead foot. Plus having 2 straight punches land on the same Target (roughly situated in the same spot) and landing at 2 different angles thrown from the same spot doesnt happen unless something turns. in between the first and second.

In a strange way I beleieve we're saying the same thing, but just view it differently. I think you consider pivoting an isolated foot movement with a quarter turn, no punches needed or punches after. This prompts a reaction from your opponent and tells then where your shots are coming from. The process I described seems longs or drawn out or overthought to you but its not. It becomes part of your acting not thinking after you've done it a thousand times as im sure you know.

Step around tends to be more choppy.

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Pivoting didn't imply him moving to a different location and it doesn't imply movement of the foot.

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if we are to rule out feet then in this case pivoting must imply hip rotation. the use of the term pivot here is then either a misnomer or just a buzz word.

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The right hand starts outside inoues right foot and ends outside his left foot

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kenny weldon has a video talking about the way hip rotation influences this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qqtwf3hu2s#t=45s

basically, following through with your hip rotation, which is what you should always be doing anyway, lets you hit a broad range of targets.

its also why i believe the boxing axiom that you need to get your foot outside of the foot of the southpaw is really something of a boxing myth.

https://i.imgur.com/lniRLah.gif

you can still hit the southpaw with your foot inside of his foot. which is what inoue did. i disagree that he needed to do anything complex to do that though.

https://i.imgur.com/0FSv70C.gif

hitting a southpaw with your foot inside of his foot doesnt have to require pivoting or stepping or whatever buzz word to get a different angle to land a right hand. the right hand inoue threw looked to me to be a pretty routine right hand up the middle.

https://i.imgur.com/x81TuvC.gif

looked very similar to the right hand tracy patterson knocked out eddie hopson with.

https://i.imgur.com/BDwnqZ5.gif

There is no doubt that the Japanese Fighter's heel at the very least stuck against the instep of the lead foot of the Dominican fighter.

You can also see a little bit of a jerk as the Dominican fighter and the Japanese fighter release the tension that resulted from the brief contact of their feet.

it looks like he stepped on his foot to me but at the very least there is a kind of contact which makes a little bit of friction

Think about it. Obviously the forward knee of the Japanese fighter and the forward thigh of the Dominican fighter had to make some kind of contact as both were moving forward and or standing their ground.

The bottom line is it had to impair or impede just a bit the Japanese Fighters shifting of his weight onto his right foot to throw the right. I believe the Japanese Fighters punch was not at full force due to this.

no way is this thread done

BREAKING NEWS:

INOUE LOOKS IMMEDIATELY AT THE REF CUZ HE FUCKING KNEW HE STEPPED ON THE GUY'S FOOT.

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no way is this thread done

BREAKING NEWS:

INOUE LOOKS IMMEDIATELY AT THE REF CUZ HE FUCKING KNEW HE STEPPED ON THE GUY'S FOOT.

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Watch it in slow motion, he doesn't.

dude seriously, Im freaking out about this, look when the right hand smashes into the guy's chin, the Japanese dude is already looking at the ref EVEN BEFORE HE SEES HIS OPPONENT STARTING TO TOPLLE DOWN, he fucking KNEW HE DID SOMETHING WRONG, I swear check it out, like 2 posts before this one above, he looks at the ref like a little kid would LOOK AT HIS MOM AFTER GETTING CAUGHT WITH HIS HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR.

@Yuzo @Alpha @greynotsoold SERIOUSLY ITS POST #34 ABOVE IN j_UNDISPUTED'S POST, you can really see it from that angle, not from the other one posted after that

POst #34

***********BAM************* INOUE IS FUCKING CAUGHT RIGHT THERE AND HE KNOWS IT