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I just read an interview with Winky and he fancies getting it on with Joe in the future.
I honestly believe it will be a similar outcome to the Lacy fight, Soliman gave Winky fits because of his volume of punches and movement.
I would advise to stay away from a southpaw who is bigger quicker and more powerful, i think it is a bad match up for Winky.
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how could it resemble the lacy fight when winky will actually use defense and jab ;D
calzaghe has no chance against wright, and he knows that, if he didnt we wouldnt be hearing about jones and toney
Did you see the Soliman fight??Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
Calzaghe would counter the defense with him being a southpaw, he would murder Winky. Well Winky is not a big draw, Calzaghe is to big for Winky Wright i will have any money you want in the world that Joe smashes Winky.
I don't think Joe is too big... Wright walks around pretty damn heavy. He is a big guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Calzaghe is a 14 stone 6 ft man he has operated at 168 lbs all his professional life over ten years.
Winky Wright has fought all his proffesional career at 154 lbs and is 5 ft 9. Winky hasnt even experienced fighting the elite at 160.
Who has the size advantage??
I don't know... according to boxing rec Winky is 5'10.5 with a 72 inch reach. Joe is 5'11.5 with a 73 inch reach. Not much of an advantage there.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
I'm not saying Winky would kill Joe. But I think we would have a competitive fight. Two men who have an invincible aura around them duking it out. I wouldn't mind seeing this.
yeah i think it would be a good fight to happen, Wright doesn't have the power to hurt Calzaghe so its a matter of would his defence be good enough to stop Calzaghe's onslaught and how he'd handle the power
at 160, I'd recon JC by ud but i would'nt like to bet against Winky also, he proved me way wrong in the Tito fight ;)
Wright couldnt handle Simons volume and couldnt take Vasquez' power . They were light middleweights . Joe is a huge heavy hitting supermidle so Joe would be out of his depth .
I cant see how Winky stands a chance
Winky fought differently back then, which is why he got dropped so many times in that fight but showed great heart and determination to keep getting back up. Also,Vazquez had awesome power. Now,Winky has the best defence and jab period. I leanrt my lesson betting against Winky from the Tito fight!!! Also,against Soliman,it was well documented that Wright had flu and had it been any other man,the fight would not have gone ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I saw the Soliman fight--it was incredibly lopsided. Soliman landed about 5% of his weak arm-punches and almost fell down without even getting hit a few times. I don't understand how that's a precedent for Winky losing to someone. ???Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
sorry but Winky is made for Joe, if he keeps the pressure on Winky.....Joe wins
And that's exactly what Joe is going to do
it depends who controls the pace
including the fact that Calzaghle is the bigger man
My bad, I keep forgetting Joe is the bigger man! That would obviously be a big factor.
I think Winky could beat Calzaghe by purely being defensive and countering.
I don't think the Soliman fight means a damn thing Winky was sick for gods sake every break between rounds he was heaving up snot into a bucket, and he looked like shit.. But still Soliman could do anything.. I do think Calzaghe would win this though, he's just too big and fast, but he would definetly have to fight a smart fight, anyone does agaisnt Winky.. The thing is Wright couldn't hurt Joe AT ALL... So he would really have to box perfectly, which is hard with the volume of punches Calzaghe throws, but at the same time I think Wright would have alot of oppourtunites to counter becaue of that. But if Joe was smart like I said, and just went up and down, in and out, side to side and just kept throwing, he would win on points. If rounds are even close with Winky the judges pretty much dont give it to him, because he does so little offensively. How else do you explain the Soliman fight being scored so close. Also it occurs to me that Winky was Lacy's sparring partner for months before the Calzaghe fight, and I would bet that neither of them were expecting that from Calzaghe, although I always thought they were botth southpaws but thats absolutely it, and Lacy should have found a different guy to prepare him since Winky and Joe fight nothing alike. But anyways my point is that Lacy was probably competitive against Winky simply due to his size and power, Joe would be too much alltogether I think. I mean really, the biggest guy Winkys ever fought were light middles, and Trinidad was his best at that or welterweight.. I say wait until Winky fights Taylor then we'll have an idea of how he could do against Joe, or how Taylor would for that matter.
The Soliman fight is yet another example of people getting ga-ga over someone throwing a shatload of punches that do & mean absolutely nothing.
NOTHING!
I would love to see Wright Calzaghe...it'd be a great fight...Winky could also handle his punches IWO.
I agree if what you mean is Winky could handle one punch of Joe's. But if Joe unleashes something like a 1000 shots without looking tired again, granted less are gonna land cleanly against Winky but thats gonna wear him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
A simpler way to look at this......
If this goes to the judges, Joe's workrate is likely to win a lot of rounds against Winky's non existent offence.
And if this somehow stays off the judges hands, well its not exactly gonna be Winky knocking Joe out is it, he was hardly a knockout artest at light middle let alone super middle
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Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
as much as i dont like Calzaghe i think he would win against wright even though wright is one of my favorites. i would love to see winky win but i'd be disappointed because lacy lost against that BUM.(Which was a big FLUKE anyway) >:mad but none the less i dont think wright can handle himself at supper middle espescially against someone that is as skilled as Joe(even though i hate to admit it)
Soliman fight? How can you compare. Soliman is tougher then Calzaghe and has a better chin. Calzaghe has trouble with anyone looking to counter his shots and he got off as well against Lacy because Lacy wasn't going for any counter. Wink would be stuffing the jab in his face all night. You bring up Soliman and Winky? when Robin Reid isn't even as defensively sound and he gave Calzaghe problems, not even the Egyptian guy Joe fought is as good defensively as Calzaghe and he dropped Joe.
I think Calzaghe could turn Winky cause of Winky's stance and relative flatfootedness(is that a word ???) as of late, and beat him to the punch. Wouldn't be nearly as easy as a Lacy fight but I'd probably favor him
Starr where did you get that Soliman has a better chin than Calzaghe, his chin is pretty solid but he is not even in Calzaghe's league... and if your basing that on the Wright fight, remember Wright can't punch. If I ain't mistaken Calzaghe has never been knocked down and the egyptain guy was Omar Shieka and he never had Calzaghe down, and Soliman has fought no where near the quality opponents that Calzaghe has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
I picked Calzaghe but he's been knocked down twice, once by Byron Mitchell, and once by the Egyptian guy, Kabari Salem, and he was hurt both times, but Winky is not a puncher, wasn't even a puncher at 154, I think Cal could turn him and beat him to the punch pretty effectivelyQuote:
Originally Posted by atomic bull
soliman is tougher than calzaghe? i just dont buy that ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
oh, and back to the main thread :-\
calzaghe beats wright. the soliman fight is a poor comparison because though soliman throws a lot of punches, they are not all that powerful nor effective. calzaghe doesnt always throw 1000+ punches per fight and regardless, his punches pack a heck more clout. just ask lacy, he took a bit of a pounding as i recall. calzaghe is too sharp and always on the move and would basically just ratchet up points against wright. i could even see calzaghe tko'ing winky along the way. super middleweight is too far for winky. he can barely hurt the cream at middleweight...
I don't think Calzaghe could throw 1000 punches against Wright who has a high enough work rate and jab that can really trouble Joe.
Solimans abit over rated. He struggled with Neville Brown and was knackered after 5 rounds . His boxing technique wasnt great and last time out he couldnt beat a guy with the flu so id put him nowhere near Calzaghes league
Sam Soliman is a good honest fighter, but he is a really light puncher. If Calzaghe landed some of the shots Sam landed they would have a lot more effect. Wright hurt Sam a number of times too so his chin isn't necessarily as good as Calzaghe's. I don't know where anyone would get the ability to judge Calzaghe and Sam's relative toughness.
I suspect Calzaghe would beat Wright with his size and workrate, but we'll know more when we see how he deals with a big middleweight like Taylor. Seems like people are more hostile to British fighters than anyone else. I remember people desperately trying to find ways to undermine Lennox Lewis for years 'cause they couldn't handle a British heavyweight champ. I hope Joe isn't in for the same treatment.
I think it would be a really good and quite close techical boxing match. I would slightly favour Calzaghe (ie I think he would win 7 out of 10 against Winky, but who is to say that the one time they fight might be one of the 3 Joe loses???)
It will not happen as it is a hard sell to the networks and the public, one for us purists rather than the man in the street.