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There's already a thread about Usyk at heavyweight, but I guess it's a different question.
Personally I'd like him to face Lebedev, then Noel Gevor (who I thought beat Briedis) and then the winner of the WBSS Cruiserweight season 2 winner. After that he would have entirely cleaned out the division and could make the move to heavy.
It looks likely tho that his next fight will be at heavy, if that's the case I think Povetkin is the perfect opponent.
If he wants to completely clean out the cruiserweight division then I think what you said is the way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
If he is jumping straight to heavyweight then I think that someone like Jennings would be a good start or maybe Chisora.
Yea Jennings would be my 2nd choice, I feel Pulev and Bryan won't risk their positions but they would also be good opponents. I wouldn't mind seeing Usyk fight Ortiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherIf he wants to completely clean out the cruiserweight division then I think what you said is the way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
If he is jumping straight to heavyweight then I think that someone like Jennings would be a good start or maybe Chisora.
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Will he be made emeritus champion if he moves up? Wbc made Bellew emeritus champ so he could chase down a crippled bloated CW at HW.
If Usyk is going to make a proper charge at HW and after unifying the division does he deserve the same status?
It's an interesting proposition and a rarity with Usyk having charted his options. On one hand with wbss the slots can be refilled and the sequel goes on but what's the point of winning all in division if only to come back in a double jeopardy of sorts and get back in line. Povetkin would be solid and gives immediate connection to AJ relevant comparison wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Brock. He deserves a beating.
I think Povetkin is a touch too tough a fight for his first at the weight. I reckon Whyte beats Chisora and then Usyk fights Chisora to start with. Easy fight for Eddie to make , they've already got the platform for it , it's a name and then after that , I reckon if Usyk is serious about this , the next step would be one of the 6 foot 6 plus guys to see how he copes with the size and reach difference before pushing him towards AJ, Fury or Wilder. Maybe a Brezeale off the top of my head?
I forgot about Brazeale. He is a bigger HW that isn’t that great so it would be a good tune up for the other big HWsQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Chalets Marin 6'5"
Swiss chalets marlin isn’t nearly that long.
Mandatories until he moves up to HW, when he is ready. There is no one at Cruiser worth competition, and anyone from LH who wants to move up can get it.
There was talk of him hanging around for Ward, but I don't see Ward coming back for that work.
Exciting fighter, but the real question is whether we should get rid of the cruiserweight division and add 10lbs to the light heavyweight division
So we take it that all the top light heavy weights would have little chance of beating him?
He would beat all cruiser weights and light heavies.
If Usyk weren’t so good then some may have a chance. Light heavys have some good fighters but not good enough to move up in weight to beat Usyk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Isn't Hamed a HW these days?
Unfortunately you are becoming as sad as me, showbiz with blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
James Toney at a CW.
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by boyla
;D it's not Toney's style to be losing weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Oleksandr Usyk ready to move to heavyweight but must wait for Anthony Joshua fight, says Eddie Hearn
Eddie Hearn has urged unified cruiserweight champion Oleksandr Usyk to make the step up to the heavyweight following his title defence against Tony Bellew.
After the Liverpudlian was stopped in the eighth round in his final fight, Bellew told Hearn that Usyk may not be ready for Joshua just yet but the Ukrainian’s promoter said he “definitely” needs to fight the heavyweight champion.
Usyk signed a short agreement with Hearn’s Matchroom promotion company, who promote Joshua, but Hearn says he has some work to do before taking on the WBO, WBA and IBF champion.
“Ultimately if he talks about the likes of Joshua, he needs to move into those realms of opponents and size, sooner rather than later,” Hearn told Sky Sports.
“He is 31, so he’s a spring chicken in terms of miles on the clock in the professional game, but he’s good enough to go on and mix it with those top heavyweights now.
“You look at the opponents for Usyk at heavyweight – Jarrell Miller, Dillian Whyte, Derek Chisora, Adam Kownacki, Luis Ortiz. There’s so many fights for him at heavyweight that he could jump straight into.
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Oleksandr Usyk celebrates after remaining the unified cruiserweight champion (Getty)
“Back to the days of Evander Holyfield, he was a genius, his size compared to the others, but he made up for it with skill and heart. Usyk is going to have to do the same thing, because to beat these big, big guys, he’s going to have to do what very few have done before him.
“How many have gone from undisputed or unified cruiserweight champion to undisputed or unified heavyweight champion? Not many, so he would be on a very small list, but that’s what he wants to do. He’s focused to do it, and I see Usyk being in some major heavyweight fights in 2019.”
Having seen off Bellew in devastating fashion, Hearn believes that there is little incentive for Usyk to remain in the cruiserweight division.
“I still think he’ll move to heavyweight, because if he doesn’t, who are the fights?” Hearn added.
“Really, I see probably two fights – that’s Andre Ward and Adonis Stevenson. Ward is retired. Would he come out for a Usyk fight? Who knows?
“Adonis Stevenson is at light-heavy, but talks about moving to cruiser. It could be a big fight in the US market. Lebedev is one that’s a big fight in Russia.”
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ole...125506908.html
Well the 1st and most obvious choice IMO is Povetkin...I think if he were to win that fight he'd shoot up the ratings and not have to have another fight before a title shot.
If he needs a fight before Povetkin then I suggest one of Marco Huck, Joseph Parker, Bryant Jennings.
It’d be smart for him to fight a really big hw who isn’t all that good, just to get suited to the division. Brezeale is the first guy who came to mind. Someone like huck or Jennings really don’t show him anything new. David price would be funny, all risk no reward though.
Hah we forgot he already beat the hell out of Huck last year:p
He definitely needs some tune up fights at HW before AJ. I understand if he wanted to stay down in weight for Ward but Stevenson? Really? He isn’t even a cruiserweight and I don’t think he is even the best light HW. He will most likely lose on Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Anyways, I’m hoping that Usyk has at least 2 fights at HW in 2019 so that by 2020 he is ready for whoever is the big dog in the division at the time.
So Brezeale isn’t all that good, but Price is all risk, no reward?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Although I don’t see Brezeale at the top of the pile, I don’t think he’s that bad , I think he’s a match for anyone outside Parker and Joshua. As for Fury , how can we tell till after Saturday.
Well different weight class maybe different outcome :dontknow:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
How about Sergey Kuzmin? Kubrat Pulev? Adam Kownacki?
Regardless of who he fights he should steer clear of the BIG dudes 6'5+ until he's used to the weight IMO. I still think he gets tagged too much, but who knows, maybe he's more like Holyfield and less like Haye, he's certainly been an impressive cruiserweight for whatever that is worth.
The winner of Dillian Whyte vs Derek Chisora would be perfect.
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo Brezeale isn’t all that good, but Price is all risk, no reward?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Although I don’t see Brezeale at the top of the pile, I don’t think he’s that bad , I think he’s a match for anyone outside Parker and Joshua. As for Fury , how can we tell till after Saturday.
brezeale can’t punch, price still can. I don’t thinkh he’s awful either, that’s why he would be worth fighting.
I'd see Breazeale beating Price at this stage. That would be an ok match up. Both guys would raise Usyk's profile in their home countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo Brezeale isn’t all that good, but Price is all risk, no reward?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Although I don’t see Brezeale at the top of the pile, I don’t think he’s that bad , I think he’s a match for anyone outside Parker and Joshua. As for Fury , how can we tell till after Saturday.
brezeale can’t punch, price still can. I don’t thinkh he’s awful either, that’s why he would be worth fighting.
If he can get Ortiz, then that would be an excellent entry to heavy.
I've heard that Miller and Parker have turned down offers, Povetkin and Ortiz seem to be the front runners.
I think that Ortiz is probably the worst match up for Usyk. He is the only HW that can anywhere near rival his boxing ability. I would like him to fight Miller just because the size difference would be funny, but he probably needs a tune up at HW before he jumps that much weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
I can understand Miller looking elsewhere, as he is on the verge of a title shot. If it's true Parker turned down an offer, I guess that can considered a duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI think that Ortiz is probably the worst match up for Usyk. He is the only HW that can anywhere near rival his boxing ability. I would like him to fight Miller just because the size difference would be funny, but he probably needs a tune up at HW before he jumps that much weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Either Ortiz or Povetkin would be massive first fights in the division for Usyk. I hope he does end up fighting a top 10 rated guy tho.
I’m sure that not many HWs are lining up to fight Usyk. At this point, he is high risk low reward. If Usyk gets KO’d his first HW fight then people will just claim he’s too small.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaI can understand Miller looking elsewhere, as he is on the verge of a title shot. If it's true Parker turned down an offer, I guess that can considered a duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI think that Ortiz is probably the worst match up for Usyk. He is the only HW that can anywhere near rival his boxing ability. I would like him to fight Miller just because the size difference would be funny, but he probably needs a tune up at HW before he jumps that much weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Either Ortiz or Povetkin would be massive first fights in the division for Usyk. I hope he does end up fighting a top 10 rated guy tho.
Parker’s mob have denied that there’s been any contact from Usyk’s team. Not seen anything from Miller but you could probably guess what his response would be. If I was either, especially Miller who’s probably the closer of the two to a shot, I wouldn’t entertain the idea either.
If Usyk goes in with Ortiz or Povetkin that will be a ridiculously high standard to kick off his heavyweight assault. They might both be sprinkled with old age, but they both combine the kind of size skill and punch power that you would assume could wait for a fight or two whilst Usyk bounces his punches off of a big static target to get a feel for things.
he should debut as a heavyweight with a sure win and then move up in caliber -- and that means the winner of the January 18 fight between Bryant Jennings (24-2) and Oscar Rivas (25-0) more than it does Alexander Povetkin or Luis Ortiz.