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R.I.P., Mr. Bush.
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R.I.P., Mr. Bush.
Not a big fan of neocons but he was a decent guy. War hero, head of the CIA, President, damn not everyone does thatQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by walrusNot a big fan of neocons but he was a decent guy. War hero, head of the CIA, President, damn not everyone does thatQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I had no problems with him, other than his having fathered George W. and allowed him to be President.
He didn’t speak ill of presidents after him, that’s how presidents should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusNot a big fan of neocons but he was a decent guy. War hero, head of the CIA, President, damn not everyone does thatQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I had no problems with him, other than his having fathered George W. and allowed him to be President.
The cold world presidents are gone
Should he have gone all the way invaded Iraq and finished the job?
They had the incentive. I can’t say he should have but it may have worked out better than Iraq war 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Another person I once respected.
I wonder if now we can finally get the truth on JFK.
Amazing how long these New World Order types live, 94 for HW, David Rockefeller 101, Kissinger 95, Soros 88.
He was no doubt a good family man who nearly gave all for his Country. I remember the divide when we decided to go into the 1st Gulf war but I think being a combat veteran gave him guidance and awareness that we were still a Nation less than 20 yrs removed from Vietnam. Bush is the last President to have served. It may get overshadowed that our messaging to Hussein only a week earlier was basically 'we have no opinion on the matter, hope you guys work it out'. Still the execution and Statesman coalition gathered was supreme but played a part in not 'finishing'. Rest easy Sir.
His pops KINDA funded Hitler
The last decent Republican leader. Here's Bush and Reagan debating immigration while competing for the Republican nomination in 1980:
https://twitter.com/aliamjadrizvi/st...00084179034112
His son gave us the definitive answer to that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Translated from "Leftish": We enjoy weaklings we can bully aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Weaklings? Bush Jr. was a moron..... not a weakling. Trump isn't exactly a weakling either, now is he.
41 caved on taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
W never fought back against Democrat attacks
Trump doesn't take any shit off of anyone ergo the current state of things, it's why Trump derangement syndrome is a real thing.
https://pics.me.me/watch-this-trump-...6-26867820.png
I never considered Sr. a weakling, although at the time I wish he would've gone all the way with Saddam. Jr. I guess we have our different takes on. You say he was a weakling because he didn't fight back against Democrats. I say he gave stand-up comedians more material than they had had in decades. At least we agree that Trump is no weakling. I like your cartoon, by the way.
I'm not American, so aren't as close to it as some of the other guys on here.
I remember his presidency though. He showed huge loyalty to be Reagans VP for so long, plusnhe was eminently qualified to be US President (war hero who actually fought for his country, Director of the CIA and VP for 8 years.)
As I recall, he was criticised for being a 'foreign policy' President ..... but he did that pretty well. He oversaw the fall of Communism without rubbing the Russians' nose in it, he freed Kuwait and didn't get embroiled in a second (and illegal) Vietnam in Iraq.
Always came across as principled and a gentleman.
Could do with more leaders like him around in the world at the moment, really.
Well said. And he did and we could.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Didn't cave on taxes. In reality, Reagan agreed to twelve tax increases to try and make up for the huge drop in revenue caused by his 1981 gigantic tax cut for the top one percent. The twelve following Reagan tax increases were all on low/middle incomes to make up for the gigantic tax cut on the wealthy. Despite this the original tax cut was so huge that Reagan trebled the national debt during his time in office. What Bush did was pass a budget that actually locked in spending cuts that Reagan had spent eight years talking about but never did. So Bush actually cut spending, that's something that conservatives claim they want to do! Bush 41 is the president who actually did reduce the size of government. He's the last Republican who even attempted to reduce the budget deficit but in the end failed. Every single GOP prez since Reagan has increased the deficit and every single Democratic prez has reduced it. At least 41 realised that you couldn't just keep cutting taxes without either cutting spending or putting taxes back up. No current Republican would dare even suggest such a thing. Bush was the last non-crazy fiscal Republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong41 caved on taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
W never fought back against Democrat attacks
Trump doesn't take any shit off of anyone ergo the current state of things, it's why Trump derangement syndrome is a real thing.
https://pics.me.me/watch-this-trump-...6-26867820.png
Bush 43 never fought back against Democratic attacks? What the fuck are you on about? Can you provide any examples of this that aren't just figments of your imagination like the 41 caved on taxes claim?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdVSqSNHhVoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
These six words changed George H.W. Bush's presidency
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...w-bush-n943391
It became the most famous broken promise in modern political history.
Huh, first sentence in the Goddamned article calls it a "broken promise"...yeah I guess you're right again Kirkland just like with the Senate and all. And LOL one of these days that ENTIRE Senate will be up for election :shakehead:
And you're asking me to prove a negative? "Bush 43 never fought back against Democratic attacks?" ... "Can you provide any examples of this".....examples of W NOT fighting back. You want me to show you W NOT performing an action.
How about you find me something where George W. Bush dogged a Democrat or anyone who spoke ill of him, go ahead I'll be patient. I mean Trump slapped his brother silly in the debates and the most W could muster even OUT of office was NOT EVEN MENTIONING TRUMP BY NAME ....yeah I know, ballsy :rolleyes:
http://youtu.be/IRI0KTP5KE8 Respect!
The GOP had already agreed a budget outline with the Democrats involving spending cuts and tax increases. They didn't want to push it through before the election because Republican voters were furious at the previous dozen tax increases. Bush was attacked by Buchanan all the way through the primary and even after Bush won the nomination for being part of a tax raising administration and for agreeing to raise taxes after the election. The whole thing dogged Bush all the way through the campaign and threatened to cost him a significant chunk of GOP votes so he said what he said at the GOP conference. It worked enough that GOP voters turned out for him but there was never any question that he wouldn't go through with the budget deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabonghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdVSqSNHhVoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
These six words changed George H.W. Bush's presidency
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...w-bush-n943391
It became the most famous broken promise in modern political history.
Huh, first sentence in the Goddamned article calls it a "broken promise"...yeah I guess you're right again Kirkland just like with the Senate and all. And LOL one of these days that ENTIRE Senate will be up for election :shakehead:
And you're asking me to prove a negative? "Bush 43 never fought back against Democratic attacks?" ... "Can you provide any examples of this".....examples of W NOT fighting back. You want me to show you W NOT performing an action.
How about you find me something where George W. Bush dogged a Democrat or anyone who spoke ill of him, go ahead I'll be patient. I mean Trump slapped his brother silly in the debates and the most W could muster even OUT of office was NOT EVEN MENTIONING TRUMP BY NAME ....yeah I know, ballsy :rolleyes:
And the reason for that was he was a relatively sensible, sane Republican. He knew that the deficit was enormous and the national debt was still increasing much faster than GDP was so he had to make the deal and an election promise to not raise taxes was worth as much as Trump's election promise to raise taxes on the wealthy or any other politician's election promise. So he didn't "cave". He did something any sensible politician would have done in his situation in order to be able to fulfil a deal the Reagan administration had already made.
Yes, show me where the Democrats attacked Bush for some issue and Bush didn't return fire. Produce one example of the thing you're claiming happened repeatedly.
Thank you for agreeing with meQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It’s funny seeing the media praise Bush now comparing the drive by hit pieces they did on him when he ran against Clinton. CNN is singing his praises, he was an evil, worst economy ever when he was up against the Clinton’s and CNN
The media and bad actors in government rely on people forgetting history or misremembering how things were.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus