My hat's off to Tyson Fury

All credit in the world to Tyson Fury. I thought he won the fight, even though Wilder made it closer with the two knockdowns. I don't know how Fury got up from that 12th round knockdown. He got hit with a huge right and then a left.


To me, there is a parallel between this fight and the AJ-Wlad fight.

Both were great heavyweight title fights. Hundreds of times better than any HW title fight during Wlad's chloroform reign. Before the AJ-Wlad fight, I hated Wlad for ruining the HW division..... fighting like a scared Bambi against opponents who were even more scared of him. Then he showed balls against AJ and, even though he lost, he fought like the heavyweight champion he should've fought like the entire decade. So Wlad won me over in that fight, even in a losing effort.

With Fury, I hated the way he beat Wlad. It was one of the worst HW title fights I've ever had the misfortune of watching. I became anti-Fury. I thought he was all about head games, and would never dare engage Wilder.... maybe not even show up. But I was corrected. Not only did he show up. He put on a masterful display. He won the fight, IMO, and it was a great fight. Kudos to him for getting up, especially after that 12th round knockdown, where most HW's would've been out cold. Kudos to Jack Reiss for not waving off the fight. Kudos to Wilder for continuing to try. He'll have to go back to the gym and work on straightening out that right hand. He's capable of throwing a straight right..... but needs to control it better.

Damn, I love boxing.

Kudos to both for showing so much respect and sportsmanship after the fight. I liked Fury calling AJ chicken. Joshua needs to get off his throne and realize he's got two worthy opponents out there. He won't be able to avoid Fury and Wilder forever. He's gonna have to make respectable offers, or continue fighting non-entities in the UK. Sorry...... but it's been Fury who has traveled to others' backyards and faced them.

Damn, I love boxing. Did I say that already?

Fury won the majority of the rounds and got up twice. That makes him a warrior and a very good boxer. I think a draw is fair, but Fury showed one heck of a chin and showed he can box at the top again. Wilder is the one who will likely be questioning himself more. Fury will be the happier of the two.

Getting up in the 12th and then coming back fighting is one of the craziest things I’ve seen in ages. Only thing that jumps to mind as comparable in a hw championship fight would be Larry Holmes against shavers. Neither sounded keen about a rematch right after its true, but that’s pretty understandable considering what they just got through. I think there are clear positives both guys can take about their chances in a second fight. For Fury, he’s obviously the much better boxer, he has the proper 12 rounds under his belt, and could be in better shape. Wilder reacted to almost every single feint Fury made, and allowed himself to get stuck in his tracks constantly, maybe he can learn something from it. The right hand he threw in the 12th was one of the only times he didn’t, and I think the first punch he did throw straight, and followed it up with a proper punch too. Fury took a lot of gambles showboating at times, if Wilder had anticipated that a bit and just thrown something he might have found a brick a lot earlier, or at least gotten some work done and stolen a couple of rounds. Hell maybe furys antics influenced the judges in giving Wilder a couple rounds he didn’t win as it was. That’s about the closest I can come to understanding how a draw was possible at least, though I can’t agree with it. The judge who had it 115-111 Wilder was clearly corrupt or incompetent. That means they gave him 5 rounds aside from the 2 he scores kds, just ridiculous.

fury won , its as simple as that.
Wilder has nothing but power.

You’re right. Some refs could have waved that straight off when his eyes were vacant and the way he hit the canvas.

Just shows you

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You’re right. Some refs could have waved that straight off when his eyes were vacant and the way he hit the canvas.

Just shows you

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Some people who suggest that if it was in the UK it would have been an easy Fury win.....not so sure based on stoppage behavior. :-\

Brilliant fight!!! Which was a bonus.

However, it played out exactly as I thought. Fury schooled a man with nothing more than a lethal right hand. That's it. Wilder has been easily controlled by a simple jab, feint, movement before but what he didn't expect was Fury to punish him everytime he missed winging his righthand. However, Wilder's power yet again got him out of trouble.

Fury coming back in the 12th is one of the greatest in heavyweight history, respect to Jack Reiss, it was a great call to not stop the fight.

Very long count for the knockdown but ignoring that Fury outboxed him and won the fight.

Wilder will not want the rematch and will try and cash out against AJ.

Any positives for Wilder?..he did knock him down twice but could not close the show.

Fury just has to stay on his feet in the rematch to win.

Huge credit to Fury. He has clawed his way back from the brink.

Long live the Gypsy King!

Fury won the fight! He made me rethink Joshua as my favorite heavyweight with a truly heroic and otherworldly display of heart!

Both fighters were taking the piss out of AJ after the fight during the interview. Wonder what he is feeling.

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@Fenster I agree on not stopping the fight whence my position on BS early stoppages which you chaps often defend too much. This is why a count should be given and a fighter be allowed to show his heart.

Fury has that in abundance. He was nailed with two flush shots and recovered well.

I am an American and I became a HUGE Fury fan throughout the build up and event. He has a ton of heart and is a character/genuine person. Tons of respect for him and while I am a fan of Deontay, I would be lying if I said I didn’t find myself cheering for Tyson and/or said I thought he lost that fight.

Hard to predict the rematch because of Wilder’s punch, but I feel that Fury can only improve after being off so long. I think AJ is a good guy and solid pro, but think both of these guys will prove to be better. Hopefully they set up a round robin tournament and then fight the “Baby” Millers of the world after.

Follow up question to the forum: Can Deontay be more effective next time if he actually uses his jab, or is Fury just too good and big to be outjabbed? I’ve seen Deontay look good behind a solid jab, and think he may have been too emotional and right hand crazy last night. That being said, Tyson is difficult to prepare for because he is so big, fast, and mobile (not to mention mentally tough as well).

That's a good question. I need to rewatch the fight properly myself. Was thinking that just maybe that is the best Fury can be and that Wilder could and should make serious adjustments of his own. He has the power, but needs to not smother himself so much or waste punches and use his legs to get in and out better.

Fury fought a perfect fight but still a few non KD rounds and found himself against two 10-8's as well. Wilder still made it close fighting a fight in which he has admitted he didn't follow a plan and became right hand hunting happy.

Wilder used the left well at times, did start to land the right better later, but the jab needed to be more effective. All those things can be better. Wilder needs to be ready for 12 hard rounds and not always hope the KO will come. Sometimes it won't.

Then again. He might well blow Fury out in 1 next time. You never know. Fury fought an excellent fight. Have to give him credit. Wilder fought a subdued fight but still made it close IMO because of the power. You cannot always rely on power though.

Wilder is freaky though. Looks like a skinny tall man, but he can fell oak trees.

Couldn’t watch the fight too busy at work. I was going to avoid all reviews here but couldn’t hold off. My unbiased opinion through my readings is Deontae won easily and the brits can’t take it.

Fury would have won that fight had it not been for the knockdowns. Fury is by far the superior boxer- We know that. NOW we know he has a good chin and the heart to get back up and get back to his game plan.

I think Fury wins the rematch!

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Fury would have won that fight had it not been for the knockdowns. Fury is by far the superior boxer- We know that. NOW we know he has a good chin and the heart to get back up and get back to his game plan.

I think Fury wins the rematch!

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WOULD have won if not for the KD’s. I’d be a billionaire if I won lotto. Would, should, if are meaningless after a fight.

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Fury would have won that fight had it not been for the knockdowns. Fury is by far the superior boxer- We know that. NOW we know he has a good chin and the heart to get back up and get back to his game plan.

I think Fury wins the rematch!

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WOULD have won if not for the KD’s. I’d be a billionaire if I won lotto. Would, should, if are meaningless after a fight.

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In reality, it is what it is. The points deductions from the KD's made the difference. Fury controlled this fight. From start to end.

I admit that I was wrong. I did not think that Fury would be so sharp. He proved that he hasn’t lost a step.

In a rematch, Fury basically has to work on a few defensive tactics. The problem with that is that it would make the fight a bit more boring. Wilder needs to figure out how to be effective with his left hand so that he can land the right hand more consistently.

Major props to Tyson for

1)taking the fight
2)winning the fight
3)getting up in the 12th

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Brilliant fight!!! Which was a bonus.

However, it played out exactly as I thought. Fury schooled a man with nothing more than a lethal right hand. That's it. Wilder has been easily controlled by a simple jab, feint, movement before but what he didn't expect was Fury to punish him everytime he missed winging his righthand. However, Wilder's power yet again got him out of trouble.

Fury coming back in the 12th is one of the greatest in heavyweight history, respect to Jack Reiss, it was a great call to not stop the fight.

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Spot on mate.

It went exactly as I thought, EXCEPT, I can't believe Wilder didn't go buck wild at some point. I thought Fury needed to put more sting on him to put him in his shell.

As for getting up off the floor, well, genuinely, it is in my top 5 moments in boxing in terms of unlikeliness, and actually, I'm struggling to think of a time I've been more shocked.

Oh and Fury won that fight.

Other than the knockdowns he lost one round.

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Brilliant fight!!! Which was a bonus.

However, it played out exactly as I thought. Fury schooled a man with nothing more than a lethal right hand. That's it. Wilder has been easily controlled by a simple jab, feint, movement before but what he didn't expect was Fury to punish him everytime he missed winging his righthand. However, Wilder's power yet again got him out of trouble.

Fury coming back in the 12th is one of the greatest in heavyweight history, respect to Jack Reiss, it was a great call to not stop the fight.

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Reiss actually behaved himself really well. I'm surprised he didn't stop it when Fury went down in the twelfth. Somebody like Laurence Cole would have. Fury was still robbed though

This was started as a respect to Fury thread, but I'm gonna throw some respect Wilder's way as well.

Seen a lot of trashing of Wilder after the fight, but most are forgetting a lot of things.

First, Wilder did come within one or two seconds of KO'ing Fury in the 12th round. Most HW's wouldn't have gotten up from that right-left combo that dropped Fury. Credit Fury who did.

It was Wilder's first time seeing someone the size of Fury and fighting without fear, to boot. That must've taken some adjustments, physically and mentally, from Wilder.

Wilder's not the first, nor will he be the last, fighter to summon strange excuses after losing/ drawing/ not performing as expected in a fight. This was Wilder's first blemish on his record. Give the guy a break. Not many fighters are perfectly gracious after suffering their first blemish.

Wilder's a bit weird, yeah. So is Fury for that matter. But Wilder was weird BEFORE the fight. It's not like suddenly changed personalities after the fight.

The fight itself was good. Better than most of us expected. I'll watch the replay again, but Wilder did not lose every round (other than the KD rounds) in the fight. Fury did not connect with every jab he threw from the opening bell, regardless of what "expert commentator" Paulie kept saying.

These were two guys who gave it their all in the ring that night. I'm all for giving Fury his due credit and respect, but I find it sad to see everyone piling on Wilder as a result. Again....... I'd love to see them do it again.

I'm now wondering how much Wilder will want a rematch.

How much was he relying (hoping) on Fury not being 12 round fit ?

mentally he'll be thinking (and i fully understand why) he can't outbox or outpoint him and that in a rematch he will need a KO. And Fury will be fitter for the rematch you'd think

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I'm now wondering how much Wilder will want a rematch.

How much was he relying (hoping) on Fury not being 12 round fit ?

mentally he'll be thinking (and i fully understand why) he can't outbox or outpoint him and that in a rematch he will need a KO. And Fury will be fitter for the rematch you'd think

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On the other hand, he may have been heartened at seeing how his power can still be the equalizer in a rematch. Make some adjustments (provided he's capable of doing so).... go in there knowing a bit more about your opponent.... and I don't see why Wilder should shy away from a rematch.

I know most here think Wilder's a mental midget (and probably his team also). But I prefer to think they're capable of going back to the drawing board and making some adjustments after having experienced something for the first time.

Yes, Fury could be fitter for a rematch. But you gotta admit he surprised us all with his fitness for THIS fight. He went 12 rounds... he got back up from two knockdowns... and he put on a masterful display. If anybody, it was Wilder who seemed gassed toward the end.

Maybe I'm wrong, but so far Wilder hasn't done anything to prove he's not mentally capable to deal with this adversity. Until then, I'd still like to see a rematch.

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I'm now wondering how much Wilder will want a rematch.

How much was he relying (hoping) on Fury not being 12 round fit ?

mentally he'll be thinking (and i fully understand why) he can't outbox or outpoint him and that in a rematch he will need a KO. And Fury will be fitter for the rematch you'd think

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On the other hand, he may have been heartened at seeing how his power can still be the equalizer in a rematch. Make some adjustments (provided he's capable of doing so).... go in there knowing a bit more about your opponent.... and I don't see why Wilder should shy away from a rematch.

I know most here think Wilder's a mental midget (and probably his team also). But I prefer to think they're capable of going back to the drawing board and making some adjustments after having experienced something for the first time.

Yes, Fury could be fitter for a rematch. But you gotta admit he surprised us all with his fitness for THIS fight. He went 12 rounds... he got back up from two knockdowns... and he put on a masterful display. If anybody, it was Wilder who seemed gassed toward the end.

Maybe I'm wrong, but so far Wilder hasn't done anything to prove he's not mentally capable to deal with this adversity. Until then, I'd still like to see a rematch.

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I don't think it's about being mentally capable to deal with adversity. I think it's about being mentally and technically capable of learning boxing skills, some being fundamental.
If he has managed to go an amateur career , where he went to the Olympics and got a bronze medal , 40 pro fights , earn a World Title , defend it numerous times and still not able to improve his skillset, then how all of a sudden is he gonna do that now?
For someone at such a high standard , these flaws are HUGE , he is so crude that it is almost unbelievable.

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I'm now wondering how much Wilder will want a rematch.

How much was he relying (hoping) on Fury not being 12 round fit ?

mentally he'll be thinking (and i fully understand why) he can't outbox or outpoint him and that in a rematch he will need a KO. And Fury will be fitter for the rematch you'd think

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On the other hand, he may have been heartened at seeing how his power can still be the equalizer in a rematch. Make some adjustments (provided he's capable of doing so).... go in there knowing a bit more about your opponent.... and I don't see why Wilder should shy away from a rematch.

I know most here think Wilder's a mental midget (and probably his team also). But I prefer to think they're capable of going back to the drawing board and making some adjustments after having experienced something for the first time.

Yes, Fury could be fitter for a rematch. But you gotta admit he surprised us all with his fitness for THIS fight. He went 12 rounds... he got back up from two knockdowns... and he put on a masterful display. If anybody, it was Wilder who seemed gassed toward the end.

Maybe I'm wrong, but so far Wilder hasn't done anything to prove he's not mentally capable to deal with this adversity. Until then, I'd still like to see a rematch.

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I don't think it's about being mentally capable to deal with adversity. I think it's about being mentally and technically capable of learning boxing skills, some being fundamental.
If he has managed to go an amateur career , where he went to the Olympics and got a bronze medal , 40 pro fights , earn a World Title , defend it numerous times and still not able to improve his skillset, then how all of a sudden is he gonna do that now?
For someone at such a high standard , these flaws are HUGE , he is so crude that it is almost unbelievable.

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If you get straight A's through high school without having to study very hard.... then go to college and find yourself with the stark reality that you're gonna have to study.... is it beyond the realm of possibility that you could pick up good study habits and adapt to college life? I've seen people who have actually done this, albeit after crashing and burning for a semester or two. Then they adapt and recover.

Wilder never NEEDED to correct his flaws. Now he finds that he does. It's not that isn't capable of throwing a good jab.... or a straight right hand. He can and does on occasion.
Only that now he's gonna need to, if he's going to succeed against the elite level in the division.

Amazing to read these posts...so Tyson Fury would be the one to be pumped for a rematch because he boxed so well and Deontay Wilder should be scared of the rematch?


Tyson Fury was the dude who got sat on his ass twice....if I'm a puncher and I sit somebody down then even if they get back up I'm more than happy to take another shot at the guy, I mean hell maybe I didn't catch him clean often enough to have really done the damage or maybe I finally got the timing down late in the fight.


I can't see how Wilder would be 100% shitting his pants about a rematch when he dropped Fury 2 times. He fought him 12 solid rounds, sure Fury got the better of him most of the fight, but Wilder DID catch him twice.


I think once you figure out HOW to catch a fighter then you're more apt to do it. Granted Tyson Fury should still feel good about winning rounds, but he still got dropped twice which in the future doesn't bode well for winning more rounds. Chins don't improve over time either, each crack weakens them.



That said BOTH fighters should be absolutely dying for an IMMEDIATE rematch. 'Wilder-Fury II: Unfinished Business'

Wilder really needs Emmuel Steward I’m his corner. He would have been a perfect trainer for him.

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Wilder really needs Emmuel Steward I’m his corner. He would have been a perfect trainer for him.

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I think Manny could have done well with any of the top heavies today.

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Amazing to read these posts...so Tyson Fury would be the one to be pumped for a rematch because he boxed so well and Deontay Wilder should be scared of the rematch?


Tyson Fury was the dude who got sat on his ass twice....if I'm a puncher and I sit somebody down then even if they get back up I'm more than happy to take another shot at the guy, I mean hell maybe I didn't catch him clean often enough to have really done the damage or maybe I finally got the timing down late in the fight.


I can't see how Wilder would be 100% shitting his pants about a rematch when he dropped Fury 2 times. He fought him 12 solid rounds, sure Fury got the better of him most of the fight, but Wilder DID catch him twice.


I think once you figure out HOW to catch a fighter then you're more apt to do it. Granted Tyson Fury should still feel good about winning rounds, but he still got dropped twice which in the future doesn't bode well for winning more rounds. Chins don't improve over time either, each crack weakens them.



That said BOTH fighters should be absolutely dying for an IMMEDIATE rematch. 'Wilder-Fury II: Unfinished Business'

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To me, everything that Wilder said post fight suggested he wasn't keen on a rematch. It was immediate to be fair so he can have a little slack. Now, he says he wants it so I take his word at face value. I'm firmly in the if anyone is going to improve, it's going to be Fury camp. He boxed beautifully given the layoff and with that fight in the bank plus another training camp where he isn't so wrapped up with shedding pounds, I think he comes in all together a much sharper fighter.

Wilder can't change much for me. Going back to Tito's point previous. It's one thing acknowledging that you need to make adjustments, but it's another to be able to implement them routinely. Wilder can throw a right hand without squaring his feet up, he can throw technically correct punches. But for much of the time he doesn't, he forgets what he's been instructed and resorts to brute force. As Primo said, if it's not ingrained now it never will be.

Wilder didn't poleaxe Fury due to a subtle change of pace or distance, he didnt lure him in with deceptive feint. He did what he always does, he ploughed forward and rattled off the best right hand he could muster and that particular one came off. I don't think there was any figuring out done.

That said, I agree entirely that he should be thinking on a very basic level, I chinned that guy once, I can do it again.

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That said, I agree entirely that he should be thinking on a very basic level, I chinned that guy once, I can do it again.

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Tyson Fury showed all his tricks, he put all his cards out there....Wilder did too mind, BUT Wilder found a way to connect. I think once you do that it gives you a lot of confidence that you can get those punches to find home again.


I mean could Fury just say "Right, this time I'm 100% focused and never allowing the right hand to land!" sure he could do that,but hell he should have done that right after the first knockdown and he didn't which also tells you something. Wilder found a way to land the punch that Fury KNEW was coming....and that my friend is dangerous for the slick boxer. The punch you KNOW is coming should never get through, Wilder found a way.


Wilder SHOULD be able to make that land earlier and more often in a rematch.



Also Tyson Fury in the rematch should barrel in and attempt to tire Wilder out...he's been hit clean on the button and gotten back up, to take a puncher's confidence you have to make their strength their biggest weakness which would be don't let the power put you down, if he can't stop you then....he can't stop you...that will play in Wilder's mind.....that kind of benefits Fury because he likes the game playing part of it.

Here is another reason to quite like the nutty galoot .....

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4645&stc=1

Note to any sane normal person on here who hasn't got a clue who Gemma Collins is .... she is a big fat lazy and talentless so-called 'celebrity', who is somehow famous because of her 'personality':rolleyes:

Go big man!

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Here is another reason to quite like the nutty galoot .....

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4645&stc=1

Note to any sane normal person on here who hasn't got a clue who Gemma Collins is .... she is a big fat lazy and talentless so-called 'celebrity', who is somehow famous because of her 'personality':rolleyes:

Go big man!

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As you know I have never been a big fan of Fury , however he gets full marks for this comment. Also Rey you are not alone in not knowing who this gastropod is either.