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PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Reliving the greatest moments from the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight
For those who have forgotten, Mayweather beat Pacquiao but UD in May 2015. However, both were well past their prime, as the fight should have happened in 2009.
If the fight happened while both were in their prime (probably around when Pacman beat Margarito, and when Floyd was still Pretty Boy Floyd and was knocking people out because his hand was not damaged), who would have won and how?
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My prediction on prime Pacman vs Mayweather
- Pacquiao starts off aggressive, hoping to land an early knockout or TKO
- Floyd gets caught a few times, but no major damage done
-Floyd slips and evades most punches using his signature shoulder roll
-Floyd utilises the jab and counter punching with great accuracy.
-A clearly frustrated Pacquiao gets furious and goes in for the kill at round 9, but Floyd counters him and sends a flurry of lightning fast punches, knocking him out.
What is your prediction?
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Manny wins by knock out as Floyd hurts his hands during the fight.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Manny would have won by KO/TKO.
That's why Floyd avoided him for years, until after the final Juan Manuel Marguez-Pacquiao fight.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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Freedom
Manny would win by KO.
That's why Floyd avoided him for years, until after the final Juan Manuel Marguez-Pacquiao fight.
The Pac of the DLH/Hatton/Cotto/Margarito was a monster and not only that but threw so many punches and didn't tire. I don't see how Floyd could negate it really. I see it a bit like Calzaghe/Hopkins except Manny hits harder than Calzaghe and knocks Mayweather down a few times.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Pac tests positive for PEDs in the lead to the fight. He gets a 6 month ban. When they reconvene to negotiate the new terms of the fight, Floyd ends up with an 80/20 split of the purse, and struck rules are put in place in the event Pac tests dirty again. This ensures Pac can't take his A Side Meth in preparation for the fight, and he knows it's an integral part of his success, so he enters the fight knowing he will lose. He loses, outboxed by Floyd. Easy UD win.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Pretty boy puts on a 10-2 performance..or KO via counterpunch.
There’s no version of Pac that beats Floyd.
It’s that simple.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
In primes it is worse than the faded version. Manny isn’t smart with movement and prime Floyd had legs. Floyd would have befuddled him and then walked him into traps time and again. I really pity fans that can’t see this obvious truth. Roach knew it, that’s why he kept saying “Floyd’s legs are gone”
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Floyd would have won by TKO most likely. There was a reason Roach wouldn’t let Pacquiao bear him when Floyd came back.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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Originally Posted by
sterling96
Reliving the greatest moments from the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight
For those who have forgotten, Mayweather beat Pacquiao but UD in May 2015. However, both were well past their prime, as the fight should have happened in 2009.
If the fight happened while both were in their prime (probably around when Pacman beat Margarito, and when Floyd was still Pretty Boy Floyd and was knocking people out because his hand was not damaged), who would have won and how?
https://www.fightsaga.com/media/k2/i...a6aedac_XL.jpg
My prediction on prime Pacman vs Mayweather
- Pacquiao starts off aggressive, hoping to land an early knockout or TKO
- Floyd gets caught a few times, but no major damage done
-Floyd slips and evades most punches using his signature shoulder roll
-Floyd utilises the jab and counter punching with great accuracy.
-A clearly frustrated Pacquiao gets furious and goes in for the kill at round 9, but Floyd counters him and sends a flurry of lightning fast punches, knocking him out.
What is your prediction?
Welcome to the Forum. I can't believe some people still think Floyd waited till Pac was done. we do know Pac is 2 years YOUNGER than Floyd , don't we?
if it happened in their primes , the result would be the same as it was..........only Floyd would win easier.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
It’s funny that PAC never seemed to be anywhere near his prime the 4 times he fought Marquez over 8 years. All off nights I guess.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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p4pking
It’s funny that PAC never seemed to be anywhere near his prime the 4 times he fought Marquez over 8 years. All off nights I guess.
JMM was his nemesis and I had him beating Pac Man every time they fought. Marquez counter punched the hell out of Manny.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Hmmm, counter punching.. I wonder if there was anyone else even better at that who pac didn’t fight during his prime... will have to think about that for a while..
I haven’t watched any of their fights in ages, remember thinking pac getting the nod in the second fight was fine though. All classics really.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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p4pking
Hmmm, counter punching.. I wonder if there was anyone else even better at that who pac didn’t fight during his prime... will have to think about that for a while..
I haven’t watched any of their fights in ages, remember thinking pac getting the nod in the second fight was fine though. All classics really.
Manny seemed clueless against JMM who had him figured. That right cross was always landing on Manny's head. Bet he wished he stopped him in the first round the first time he met him. :)
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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p4pking
It’s funny that PAC never seemed to be anywhere near his prime the 4 times he fought Marquez over 8 years. All off nights I guess.
The second and third fights were what I feel people consider the beginning and end of his prime. He was on a tear coming into the third fight. Everybody thought that Pacquiao had improved so much because he beat bigger guys. JMM was small and wouldn’t be able to handle Pacquiao at that point of his career. Reality hit though and we realized that Pacquiao hadn’t progressed as much as everybody thought. He was just an anomaly that did better against bigger fighters.
I had JMM winning every fight. First and third were obvious JMM wins while the second was extremely close. I had JMM by a point, but it could have gone either way.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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Originally Posted by
imp
Pretty boy puts on a 10-2 performance..or KO via counterpunch.
There’s no version of Pac that beats Floyd.
It’s that simple.
You can say that about everyone Floyd has ever fought because he has not fought an opponent at their most dangerous since when? And it ain't like he's been lacking opportunities to do so.
He fought Mosley after Mosley beat a LEGAL Antonio Margarito...props I guess :dontknow:
But as for a guy IN HIS PRIME that Floyd fought...Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo twice, Jesus Chavez, Baldomir, Maidana twice, Roberto Guerrero, I'll even throw in Canelo....now those are good boxers, good strong opponents. But when you look at Floyd's resume they aren't the names that would jump off the page.
Cotto had 2 losses before Floyd even entertained the idea of fighting him, hell Miguel was front row center at the Brusseles fight, Floyd didn't want him. Hatton should have had 1 loss before Floyd took that fight (and at a weight where Ricky was shit), De la Hoya was past it (but it was better than the De la Hoya Pacquiao farce), there's no Paul Williams there (there was never going to be), there was no Antonio Margarito there (there was never going to be).
I don't take any credit away from Floyd I think he was managed very well he built up fights, and he suckers in a lot of "fans"....he's earned every penny of his fortune, he's a hell of a boxer, and like I said he'll continue to make a mint fighting EXHIBITIONS and more power to him, he's going to be considered the greatest of his era.
Floyd COULD just say "I want Canelo at 160" and get a giant ring and make another massive payday, but I am not sure he wants to step on Oscar's toes promoting...don't want to slaughter that cash cow.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
I think Pac in his relentless prime gets to Mayweather eventually somewhere around the 9th
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Prime vs prime I pick Floyd by decision, but could see a case where Floyd stops Manny due to accumulation of punishment and exhaustion on Manny’s part. This isn’t to say that it wouldn’t have been a MUCH better fight, or that it wouldn’t have pushed Floyd more than any other fight he ever had. It also doesn’t mean that I don’t give Manny any chance to win, because at that point Manny was a monster and if he landed a solid shot on anyone he was doing damage.
For me, two things work against Manny here. First, as most have pointed out, Manny struggled with JMM’s counterpunching and defense, and Floyd was better at both. Second, Floyd was/is the naturally bigger man while also being comparable in speed. Floyd’s skills and natural gifts were difficult to overcome for guys his own size and larger, smaller fighters had Virtually no chance of imposing their will on him, as proven/highlighted in his fights vs JMM, Hatton, and Manny.
Why I see Manny giving Floyd fits and being a solid/live underdog is that prime Manny was very active, fast, awkward, aggressive, and possessed a very hard punch. If Manny caught anyone with the right shot he either turned out their lights (Hatton), knocked them down (JMM, Cotto), made them gun shy (Oscar, Clottey, Shane), or broke bones (Margo). Floyd was a masterful fighter, but the right shot by Manny could change history.
Manny’s relentless volume punching could spell trouble for a defensive minded Floyd (I think this would most likely present opportunities for Floyd, who preferred to counter punch and pick foes apart). Maidana, Castillo, and even Jesus Chavez gave Floyd problems with their relentless pressure and high punch output. The distinction/difference between them and Manny (especially Maidana and Castillo) is that they were much larger than Floyd and fought in a physical style that allowed them to bully and manhandle Floyd, where Manny used his legs to create angles.
I think we tend to be a little hard on Floyd because we may buy into his created persona too much, but the guy was an ATG in his prime, as was Manny. This ultimately comes down to style match up and size favoring Floyd, and I see that winning out in the end. One last thing to note: during his prime, when he fought good fighters his own size, Floyd pushed for and usually got the stoppage, as evidenced in his fights vs Hatton, Hernandez, and Corrales. I think this fight is similar to Floyd’s fight vs Judah, but harder for more rounds than Judah was and ending in a late knockout of Manny.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
I think we agree that when they did eventually fight they were way past their best. The fight was boring and Manny did hurt Floyd with that left you mentioned.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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Master
I think we agree that when they did eventually fight they were way past their best. The fight was boring and Manny did hurt Floyd with that left you mentioned.
You're in your element now . Talking about your favourite subject, good old FMJ!!;D
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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Primo Carnera
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Master
I think we agree that when they did eventually fight they were way past their best. The fight was boring and Manny did hurt Floyd with that left you mentioned.
You're in your element now . Talking about your favourite subject, good old FMJ!!;D
Can't wait for his next exhibition, hope he does not injure himself.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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mikeeod
Prime vs prime I pick Floyd by decision, but could see a case where Floyd stops Manny due to accumulation of punishment and exhaustion on Manny’s part. This isn’t to say that it wouldn’t have been a MUCH better fight, or that it wouldn’t have pushed Floyd more than any other fight he ever had. It also doesn’t mean that I don’t give Manny any chance to win, because at that point Manny was a monster and if he landed a solid shot on anyone he was doing damage.
For me, two things work against Manny here. First, as most have pointed out, Manny struggled with JMM’s counterpunching and defense, and Floyd was better at both. Second, Floyd was/is the naturally bigger man while also being comparable in speed. Floyd’s skills and natural gifts were difficult to overcome for guys his own size and larger, smaller fighters had Virtually no chance of imposing their will on him, as proven/highlighted in his fights vs JMM, Hatton, and Manny.
Why I see Manny giving Floyd fits and being a solid/live underdog is that prime Manny was very active, fast, awkward, aggressive, and possessed a very hard punch. If Manny caught anyone with the right shot he either turned out their lights (Hatton), knocked them down (JMM, Cotto), made them gun shy (Oscar, Clottey, Shane), or broke bones (Margo). Floyd was a masterful fighter, but the right shot by Manny could change history.
Manny’s relentless volume punching could spell trouble for a defensive minded Floyd (I think this would most likely present opportunities for Floyd, who preferred to counter punch and pick foes apart). Maidana, Castillo, and even Jesus Chavez gave Floyd problems with their relentless pressure and high punch output. The distinction/difference between them and Manny (especially Maidana and Castillo) is that they were much larger than Floyd and fought in a physical style that allowed them to bully and manhandle Floyd, where Manny used his legs to create angles.
I think we tend to be a little hard on Floyd because we may buy into his created persona too much, but the guy was an ATG in his prime, as was Manny. This ultimately comes down to style match up and size favoring Floyd, and I see that winning out in the end. One last thing to note: during his prime, when he fought good fighters his own size, Floyd pushed for and usually got the stoppage, as evidenced in his fights vs Hatton, Hernandez, and Corrales. I think this fight is similar to Floyd’s fight vs Judah, but harder for more rounds than Judah was and ending in a late knockout of Manny.
As you said, Pacquiao wasn’t an aggressive fighter like Maidana or Castillo. He doesn’t put his head in your chest and throw. He bounces around and creates angles with a high punch output. Floyd doesn’t have problems with that style. He makes people punch much less because of his counter punching.
Obviously Pacquiao is good enough to pull off a win, but I would heavily favor Floyd in a prime vs prime fight.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
All it takes is a few to land clean and Floyd going down and he would be in a position he is unused to. In that panic he might well end up like Mosley or even sparked out trying to fight fire with fire caught in the moment.
Mayweather was just bigger than Marquez and fought differently too. Styles make fights. Marquez was never a real WW.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Can’t believe this thread.;D
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Also consider how easy Zab found it for 4 rounds. Manny does not fade like that. Look at how easy Maidana found it to land, Cotto too. Prime Manny would no doubt land a lot and would cause damage. They did not fight earlier because Floyd is smart.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
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Gandalf
Also consider how easy Zab found it for 4 rounds. Manny does not fade like that. Look at how easy Maidana found it to land, Cotto too. Prime Manny would no doubt land a lot and would cause damage. They did not fight earlier because Floyd is smart.
Yet it was Manny that pulled out. It was agreed to exactly when it should have happened and Manny pulled out, not Floyd.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Are we talking Floyd under USADA or VADA ;)
Floyd always had hand problems, so if they fought around 2010, they were there.
In saying that Floyd wins a UD, in a tougher fight.
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Re: PRIME Floyd Mayweather vs PRIME Manny Pacquiao, Who would win and how?
Don't fuel the rematch ;D. Just don't. Still wouldn't have paid a hundred bucks for it :). Nope never.
