He sucked in reality. He seemed to slow and had some dodgy stoppages.
Randy Neuman was a dumbass too. Norman "Stoney" Stone was right to rail off on him during the Ruiz and Golota fight.
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He sucked in reality. He seemed to slow and had some dodgy stoppages.
Randy Neuman was a dumbass too. Norman "Stoney" Stone was right to rail off on him during the Ruiz and Golota fight.
When Nigel Benn fought Mauro Galvano in Italy he was going to get ripped off by the Italians and lose his challenge for the title. Benn cut Galvano with a punch during the contest but the Italians were claiming it was a head-butt.
Cortez stood his ground to the intimidation and said that Benn had caused the cut by a punch and it was a legitimate stoppage and should have the title.
Cortez was excellent in that fight.
Do people rate him highly? He has never been very good
In general, the quality of referees began to go down hill as referees developed their own catch phrases and such. They started to think that they were part of the show, that people came to see them.
Except firm but fair Mills Lane who was on the whole very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Agree, anytime you have a referee standing between the two fighters saying " I'M firm but I'M fair" you know he'll be looking for the cameras to get his cameos. It's not about you ref and we prefer you invisible. Mercante Jr the same way. Major league unofficial 3rd participant who no one paid to see.
Oh yeah, cos the baddie boy Italian and his gang of thugs were gonna rip Benn off. Angelo Dundee cuts Ali’s glove and he’s the cleverest cunt in Boxing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Never had any Brits cheat have we? Fucking Racist! ;)
Mills Lane was a legend.
Let’s get it on
The best referees are the ones you don't notice are there...i don't like the glory hounds, sticking their nose in where it isn't warranted. Let them fight i say!
I've said this before but Mills Lane had a terrible terrible habit of putting his hands on fighters without calling break. Constantly trying to rip one fighters arm from a clinch, essentially making them defenceless on one side. I hated him doing that, dangerous and stupid.
The referee should be as invisible as possible, but they're not. As mentioned they have their own catchphrases, there's footage of them prefight talking to fighters, we have graphics on screen telling us their notable assignments (not sure if that still happens to be honest). They have a very important job but lets not promote it to equal billing with the fighters.
Mills used to smack you so hard on your bicep. Hard to not take notice.In hindsight, Bayless was a bit of a Hollywood Ref too. Overrated in many respects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Herol Graham knocked down Kalambay twice clearly outpointing him and being robbed. I never forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh yeah, cos the baddie boy Italian and his gang of thugs were gonna rip Benn off. Angelo Dundee cuts Ali’s glove and he’s the cleverest cunt in Boxing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Never had any Brits cheat have we? Fucking Racist! ;)
Don’t make me talk negatively about Graham because he’s one of my all time faves, but Kalambay beat Graham fair and square in the U.K. Without an Italian Judge in site.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHerol Graham knocked down Kalambay twice clearly outpointing him and being robbed. I never forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh yeah, cos the baddie boy Italian and his gang of thugs were gonna rip Benn off. Angelo Dundee cuts Ali’s glove and he’s the cleverest cunt in Boxing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Never had any Brits cheat have we? Fucking Racist! ;)
The rematch was in italy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon’t make me talk negatively about Graham because he’s one of my all time faves, but Kalambay beat Graham fair and square in the U.K. Without an Italian Judge in site.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHerol Graham knocked down Kalambay twice clearly outpointing him and being robbed. I never forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh yeah, cos the baddie boy Italian and his gang of thugs were gonna rip Benn off. Angelo Dundee cuts Ali’s glove and he’s the cleverest cunt in Boxing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Never had any Brits cheat have we? Fucking Racist! ;)
I was on about the rematch which was in italy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon’t make me talk negatively about Graham because he’s one of my all time faves, but Kalambay beat Graham fair and square in the U.K. Without an Italian Judge in site.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHerol Graham knocked down Kalambay twice clearly outpointing him and being robbed. I never forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh yeah, cos the baddie boy Italian and his gang of thugs were gonna rip Benn off. Angelo Dundee cuts Ali’s glove and he’s the cleverest cunt in Boxing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Never had any Brits cheat have we? Fucking Racist! ;)
I know you were . But I was pointing out that Kalambay was decent and doesn’t deserve you disrespecting him like he’s a piece of shit. Graham may have deserved the W, but I’ve seen worse robberies over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI was on about the rematch which was in italy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon’t make me talk negatively about Graham because he’s one of my all time faves, but Kalambay beat Graham fair and square in the U.K. Without an Italian Judge in site.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHerol Graham knocked down Kalambay twice clearly outpointing him and being robbed. I never forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh yeah, cos the baddie boy Italian and his gang of thugs were gonna rip Benn off. Angelo Dundee cuts Ali’s glove and he’s the cleverest cunt in Boxing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Never had any Brits cheat have we? Fucking Racist! ;)
I never said anything bad about him but the decision was bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI know you were . But I was pointing out that Kalambay was decent and doesn’t deserve you disrespecting him like he’s a piece of shit. Graham may have deserved the W, but I’ve seen worse robberies over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI was on about the rematch which was in italy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraDon’t make me talk negatively about Graham because he’s one of my all time faves, but Kalambay beat Graham fair and square in the U.K. Without an Italian Judge in site.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHerol Graham knocked down Kalambay twice clearly outpointing him and being robbed. I never forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraOh yeah, cos the baddie boy Italian and his gang of thugs were gonna rip Benn off. Angelo Dundee cuts Ali’s glove and he’s the cleverest cunt in Boxing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Never had any Brits cheat have we? Fucking Racist! ;)
Speaking of Kalambay, for a genuine world-class fighter who only got stopped once in about a million fights, this will always make the most weirdo one round jobs in history list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QFlCvedmxQ
One in a million punch, sweat pea did it once in his career and think McCallum landed one against Curry.
These fighters were not known for their one punch power but timing is everything.
Joe was a very fine boxer, but even though he is in the Hall, he could not transition his skills as a referee. But don't take my word for it. As Ricky Hatton for his opinion.
I thought he was pretty decent. But like most--- if not all refs, Cortez began to make worse and worse decisions.
IMO only Benjy Esteves Jr & Steve Smoger were consistent as they got older.