Printable View
Was it about class or race? Should he have been sacked?
Would he have been sacked if he was an elitist university type instead of a "cockney" Millwall supporter from a South London working-class background?
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/09/danny...-race-9473027/
Very silly of Baker , he must have known there would be a huge outrage.
This is political correctness though, isn't it? I mean don't we hear people mocking Trump for being an orangutan, haven't people compared Princess Anne to a horse? I might sound like a naive 19 year old here, but I really don't see a big deal in calling a baby a chimp. I mean, isn't it true that people would likely ignore it if it was related to Boris Johnson or his child. It isn't a nice thing to say, but if it is just a joke then it is just a joke. And if he has said sorry and I am not sure he even should say sorry, then surely that would be the end of it. It's another example of Twitter/media outrage trying to dictate things.
No he should not have been sacked. It is a joke about class and I find it a bit of a stretch to think Baker is a closet racist.
From someone else maybe, you cannot deny using monkies and chimps in jokes has often been racist. It's not like idiots who demand the right to reinstate gollywogs and insist they are not racist or the stupid 'oh his grandad was black' etc, and he has black friends so he can't be racist.
The racism from Asians often takes my breath away, in fact you have to laugh at the stupidity of it.
I didn't really answer the question there. I think only Baker truly knows the intent, but I would just prefer we do not get so hung up on these things.
I think it is quite common to compare people to animals based upon how they look or act. I am sure many a parent has called their child a 'Cheeky Monkey' at one time of another and it is preferable to 'Little bastard' or some of the things we hear on here.
Michelle Pfeiffer used to look very feline like a cat. Tom Hanks these days looks like a big cuddly bear now he has let himself go. There was one chap at school who was called Slug. It wasn't because he had no legs, but because he looked a bit like Slimer from Ghostbusters. A bit mean perhaps, but that's kids for you. I think comparing people to animals is quite common really.
Is it something to get upset over or lose a job? My personal thinking is that people should lighten up on things that really do not cause any real harm. In my deleted post I did make the comparison of John Sweeney who not only made racist jokes, but also suggested framing a man for sexual things he did not do. It is a bit of a diversion, but that is what came to mind immediately when this thread was made. In that sense it makes you wonder if there is Classism in the BBC. They already practice racism against white people in their hiring processes.
I have seen no more or less racism from Asians than any other group. Do you have a lot of racist 'Asians' in Plymouth? Now, I have seen racism and it does exist, but I am curious to know about the racism that 'often takes your breath away' because I certainly do not experience very much of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Miles how would you know you only live in Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have seen no more or less racism from Asians than any other group. Do you have a lot of racist 'Asians' in Plymouth? Now, I have seen racism and it does exist, but I am curious to know about the racism that 'often takes your breath away' because I certainly do not experience very much of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
This is how stupid the pair of you are. You are so eager to prove I am a liar that you can't even accept I may have encountered Asian racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlMiles how would you know you only live in Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have seen no more or less racism from Asians than any other group. Do you have a lot of racist 'Asians' in Plymouth? Now, I have seen racism and it does exist, but I am curious to know about the racism that 'often takes your breath away' because I certainly do not experience very much of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Its not just Asians obviously, certainly a huge number of white racists married to Asian women.
Your full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThis is how stupid the pair of you are. You are so eager to prove I am a liar that you can't even accept I may have encountered Asian racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlMiles how would you know you only live in Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have seen no more or less racism from Asians than any other group. Do you have a lot of racist 'Asians' in Plymouth? Now, I have seen racism and it does exist, but I am curious to know about the racism that 'often takes your breath away' because I certainly do not experience very much of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Its not just Asians obviously, certainly a huge number of white racists married to Asian women.
You encounter to much of life's problems and you live in Plymouth, an expert of the people of Botlon , and expert on Asian racism and you find time for this while being a big buisnessman.
I have never claimed to be an expert and certainly never claimed to be a big businessman. What a crock of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYour full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThis is how stupid the pair of you are. You are so eager to prove I am a liar that you can't even accept I may have encountered Asian racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlMiles how would you know you only live in Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have seen no more or less racism from Asians than any other group. Do you have a lot of racist 'Asians' in Plymouth? Now, I have seen racism and it does exist, but I am curious to know about the racism that 'often takes your breath away' because I certainly do not experience very much of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Its not just Asians obviously, certainly a huge number of white racists married to Asian women.
You encounter to much of life's problems and you live in Plymouth, an expert of the people of Botlon , and expert on Asian racism and you find time for this while being a big buisnessman.
When I worked at the University as a student support worker I was self employed on quite a modest wage when I work for newspapers as a freelance correspondent again self employed, film maker, photographer all self employed but as a carer as well I am never going to be rich. Its not even complicated, I have worked as a laborer, decorator etc too again self employed. I am not the feckless lazy twat you wish I was.
I have not called you a liar. I simply asked for some evidence or an anecdote. For instance, I have seen some racism in that some comedians did the 'blackface' thing on TV here. Personally I don't think it is a big deal, but then I don't care about political correctness. But in day to day life, and I encounter hundreds of people each week, I do not see much racism. In fact there is a lot of respect for foreign things such as in music, football and what have you. My favorite player today is Muslim and my favorite fighter is of course James Toney and Asian women are hot. You want me to be racist because I have views on immigration and don't ignore data relating to crime, IQ, and athletic prowess. Everybody is an individual and you will get exceptional and less exceptional people in any group. If that is racist, then so be it, but you are obsessed with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThis is how stupid the pair of you are. You are so eager to prove I am a liar that you can't even accept I may have encountered Asian racists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlMiles how would you know you only live in Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI have seen no more or less racism from Asians than any other group. Do you have a lot of racist 'Asians' in Plymouth? Now, I have seen racism and it does exist, but I am curious to know about the racism that 'often takes your breath away' because I certainly do not experience very much of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Its not just Asians obviously, certainly a huge number of white racists married to Asian women.
Now it's white racists married to Asian women along with men who have black grandparents? You appear to be wanting to extend it to everyone is a racist just as everyone according to the left is far right. It's frankly ridiculous and you know it.
Of course anyone can be racist.. Duh. And you don't see much racism because you live in a country that is not very racially diverse. I don't want you to be racist Miles you just keep making incredibly hard not to draw those conclusions.
Given the craziness of the post, if interpreted in the way the majority have, and Baker's standing I just can't believe he meant any racist intent at all. Even the most idiotic of racists with a couple of hundred followers would think twice about posting that on Twitter let alone a public figure who works for the BBC.
If she wasn't mixed race it wouldn't be an issue and I didn't know myself till late last year she was mixed race when I saw her mother (don't pay much attention to royals or watch weddings etc). I'd watched Suits from the start and just though she was a classy, olive skinned bird who was worth one.
Would be interested to see if that image has been used before by others on twitter for a different intent.
The only other thing I could think of is the time the post went on - was it late at night when he could have had a skinful and was hating life ?? Not that it has to be late at night to have a skinful but just a thought
So, what is this incredible racism going on down there in Plymouth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I don't really mind if anyone thinks I am racist or not. I am quite comfortable with my mindset and know that I am not. However, I will defend science unless it can be proven wrong. I am not a flat earther type. In saying that though you treat everybody as an individual and accept that not everyone is the worst of any group and most are somewhere in the middle or rather good. It's human nature.
I genuinely think that Danny did not mean to be racist, only he would really know the truth and he admits he has been stupid. However ignorance should not be a defence and he really should know better.
I think some disciplinary action should have been taken but I would have given him a final written warning but really it is at the discretion of his employers and with the racist hate going against the royal couple BBC would have been complicit if they took no action at all.
Danny is pretty funny and I would like to think he didn't mean to be racist, however that's a tough one to prove as you say as only he knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
'You don't half know how to manufacture argument. Have I once ever in the history of Saddos mentioned the city you live in. Give it a rest. Anyone would think Brock was prompting you by Pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfSo, what is this incredible racism going on down there in Plymouth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I don't really mind if anyone thinks I am racist or not. I am quite comfortable with my mindset and know that I am not. However, I will defend science unless it can be proven wrong. I am not a flat earther type. In saying that though you treat everybody as an individual and accept that not everyone is the worst of any group and most are somewhere in the middle or rather good. It's human nature.
You are the one who brought up racism and I am just wondering what kind of racism you are experiencing. The worst for me was a little girl calling me Pinnochio one time for being white and not having a flat nose. Oh, and one time being turned away from a nightclub when I was about 25, but I went there plenty of other times. In fact it is opposite racism at one bar I know. Koreans have to pay to get in but foreigners get in free. I find that strange, but what can you do. Also, there is a thing where mixed race couples can get good rates of interest above what Korean couples can get, but it discriminates against you if the foreigner is male. So, it is a mixed bag. But certainly not treated worse than the locals really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz'You don't half know how to manufacture argument. Have I once ever in the history of Saddos mentioned the city you live in. Give it a rest. Anyone would think Brock was prompting you by Pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfSo, what is this incredible racism going on down there in Plymouth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
I don't really mind if anyone thinks I am racist or not. I am quite comfortable with my mindset and know that I am not. However, I will defend science unless it can be proven wrong. I am not a flat earther type. In saying that though you treat everybody as an individual and accept that not everyone is the worst of any group and most are somewhere in the middle or rather good. It's human nature.
I have a group of indian friends I meet up with a couple of times a year.
We always go for a curry usually to a new restaurant we've not tried before in Bradford / Leeds area.
In a couple of restaurants the past year or so they get some of their food served differently (tikka starters on skewers for non-Indians in one restaurant which was odd) and they usually get offered apna style dishes by the waiter whereas me and the Mrs don't unless we ask.
I always get offended and cry all the way home.......
Miles, I understand why you think comparing humans with animals is harmless fun (nothing to get upset about), however, throughout our history the comparison between black people and monkey's has been done in a derogatory manner, and still to this day we have evidence of black footballers getting bananas lobbed at them.
I despise this current victimhood culture, where everyone is OWED something, however, in this instance only black people have the right to explain why they're offended, as we quite simply have never experienced it.
Donald Trump knows what it is like. How is it different for him? True that there are historical connotations, but words only have power if you let them control you. It is in this context that I am no longer controlled by the 'cunt' and have thus become all powerful. Nothing bothers me anymore and that is because words are nothing unless you give them more meaning than they are worth.
I don't believe for a second Danny Baker didn't understand his joke was "controversial", however, he arrogantly thought nobody would consider him racist because he's Danny Baker, man of the people, he used to protest the National Front at Millwall.
And, for the record, from my own personal experience Asian's (Pakistani/Indian)/Turks/Greeks/Arabs are the most racist towards black people i've ever come across. Shocking stereotypes.
Some of us have ......;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Obama knows what it's like not Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Unfortunately, like Trump, I don't think your own personal experience of accepting the "cunt" moniker will inspire millions of black people to stop getting offended.
Black people have largely reduced the N word by using it constantly among themselves. It is by constantly getting upset by words that they maintain power. I am certainly not telling black people how they should feel, but the victim culture surely gets boring sometimes.
Wait, in evolution aren’t we all monkeys or apes, seems moot to me
Being honest haven't we all at one point called someone elses baby a lot worse???. 'Little monkies' included. Honestly, thanks to my Grandma by the time I hit 3 I was answering to "googly eyed little mothfucker". Might be missing something but didn't they have a lil bouncing baby white as snow? Edit, ok she's from mixed marriage yes? Honestly had no idea but off first glimpse wouldn't connect the two. Seeing as she's had slurs tossed at her he very well may have been playing off of those. Still strikes as much stupid as malicious though. Now do you see why it's not wise to get involved in another Countries politics :p.
After the first paragraph I was all for giving you a like, but the second paragraph is bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Of course the twat should’ve been sacked.
I don’t think Danny Baker is a racist. But I do think that he is an arrogant, unfunny twat that hasn’t been funny for over 20 years. And in his desperate attempt to “make a gag, ba doom tish” , he didn’t think and he fucked up!
Yeah as soon as it was pointed out, he took it down.... too fucking late. He deserves the sack for his ignorance and stupidity.
And then typically he tries to deflect it on the beeb. “The way they did It , they threw me under a bus, the old farts in suits throwing daggers, blah blah!”
Take ownership and fuck off!
Had a big debate about this yesterday at work
One lad thought that Baker should be arrested and charged for it because he believes that purposely causing offense to someone should bring criminal charges
I countered that with "if you told a joke about a dumb blonde and some bird got offended should you be prosecuted" he said of course not, I asked why her feelings aren't worth the same as a black persons, I asked who has the final say of what is deemed offensive enough to be against the law and what happens if you don't agree with it, he couldn't answer me
the conversation carried on and there is an Asian lad, he said that the word Nigger is more offensive that calling someone a honky and it would obviously offend a black person more than a white person purely because of the historical connotations
I countered this by asking what right does he have to decide how offended I am, that honky slur could be the final straw that breaks the camels back and I could go home and hang myself, would that one comment still pale into insignificance when compared with calling someone a nigger?
Another lad said that he thinks that racism is wrong, Danny Baker shouldn't be allowed on television or radio ever again
I countered this by pointing out that he had (just a matter of hours before) shown me 4 or 5 pictures all about this babby being black, I said that if he showed that to the wrong person then he would lose his job, should he have people rocking up and protesting against him every time he finds a new job which would leave him basically unemployable, he said that would be unfair but as Danny Baker is in the public eye he should at least apologize, I asked if Danny should be allowed on the radio after he had apologized and he said "NO" I asked what is the point in him apologizing then if people won't accept it (cheers Sargon)
Someone chimed in and said "what about them people that done the Grenfal Tower bonfire thing, I bet you think they should be prosecuted" I told them that if they should be prosecuted then so should Frankie Boyle for making a joke that Harvey would rape Katie Price, apparently though according to everyone else because that joke was made a year or two ago it doesn't matter
It was actually a really good conversation but I think the most pertinent thing was when I walked out of the office to go home I thought to myself "fuck should I have defended Danny Baker, will Maj think I'm a racist, did I say anything that anyone could make a complaint about?"
It shouldn't be that way, I know for a fact that no one involved in that conversation (except for maybe Majid) was offended by Danny Bakers tweet, and I know for a fact that if they had been sent it via whatsapp they would have all shared it.
And the only reason I say that Majid may have been offended is because he has only recently started at our place so I don't know what his thoughts are on this type of thing.
My mate sent me a picture of a black kid who had been photoshopped onto a picture of the queen, he was wearing a crown and saying wha gwarn grannie whilst the queen grimaced behind him, I saw the picture and fucking laughed, I don't have a problem with any type of jokes, I laugh at racist jokes, I laugh at sexist jokes, I laugh at jokes that make fun of pedophilia, does that make me a racist sexist pedophile? I don't know maybe, I've never wanted to go and abuse a black bloke and I've never wanted to rape anyone, I don't find kids attractive but maybe the fact I laugh at it means I agree with it and think it is fine.
I think that one of the saddest things is that these are conversations that we should be having but as evidenced by the conversation I had with everyone at work people are too frightened for fear of offending someone
2 people came up to me today and said that they really enjoyed it yesterday, they both said that they are concerned that they will say the wrong thing though and could end up in trouble.
crazy to think that people won't share their everyday views for fear of repercussions
prime example, during the conversation people would just say "the N word" rather than nigger, now when I was talking I would just say "nigger" I wasn't saying it to be offensive but it was in context of the conversation, I'm not afraid to use the word but not a single other person would say it regardless of the context.
A while back I told someone that they were being niggardly with their money, I was called out on that, I explained what the word meant and my team leader actually told me that I "probably shouldn't say it anymore" I told her that if someone is being niggardly then I will tell them that they are being niggardly, it is a word that is in my vocabulary and I won't let anyone tell me that I am not allowed to say it.
Apparently you aren't allowed to use words that sound like other words that may be offensive, bollocks
The whole thing reverts back to the freedom of speech argument
N word is dangerous to use now. Wish they’d just get rid of it.
It’s modern society the latest craze is to be offended. Pathetic. Nothing much offends me or others my age.
Talking of N word it always reminds me of this classic Viz letter a few years ago
"HOW come rap artist Dr. Dre can use the 'N' word on his multi-million selling albums and win a MOBO award, yet when I used it at my son's football match I was asked to leave the park? Once again, it's one law for the rich and another for the poor."
Reg Ashcroft, Bradford
I think you make a lot of very good points, Batman. People are generally scared to say what they think. I find it very interesting the way people respond to stories like this and how the UK is evolving. I suppose what it all teaches me is that it is not a society I would want to live in.
My own theory is that the mentally ill are mostly those that go along with the charade. Anyone even accepting monarchy is for instance mentally ill. Anyone who is obsessed with political correctness is mentally ill. The truly sane are those wanting free of the Gulag. Just wanting liberty and the freedom to be rude, smutty, silly and not have a hard time over it.
I always compare the UK to North Korea and the inability to speak freely is another aspect of that. Nazi dog salutes are a case in point. It is absurdism and you even get some on here defending the authorities whilst ignoring physical assault which we all agree is bad.
It is a sick society and I consider your attitudes healthy and proper, Batman.
Then there are those who know it is nonsense, but stay quiet because they fear shaming and having their lives made difficult. These are potential Winston Smith's and there are many out there. I refuse to accept that everybody is mentally ill. They just pretend to be. However, a lot clearly are.
Harry does actually resemble a chimp and looks nothing like his parents. I honestly haven't seen the baby as I couldn't care less. All babies look like aliens to me anyway. Strange bald things. I prefer cats.
My own thoughts on jokes are that anything goes be it gender/race/religion/sexuality whatever. I don't think there are any limits on a joke. Personally I don't really tell jokes like that as I am not very good at jokes. X is excellent at making jokes along those lines and I laugh at those who can do it well, but my way of being funny is more in making odd comments or being provocative.
Take the above about alien babies, it was not so much a joke but more an observation and in the last hour I asked a couple of people what they thought about it and they both thought it was odd, but kind of agreed that they do look a little bit like the Roswell kind of aliens. Obviously not the Sigourney Weaver ones which would of course be far more fun, but more the traditional humanoid type of alien. So a kind of joke, but more laced with observation rather than punchline.
I mean I look pretty great despite impending age and death, but there was no doubt about it that when I was a baby I was as ill defined and inarticulate as any other. I don't take it personally. Beauty or cuteness is something that takes time to develop. You would seldom look at an embryo and say 'That's a stunner'. Just one of them things.
Are you claiming to be mentally ill then? Even though you are clearly 'obsessed by political correctness' that is a bit harsh on yourself. Not that anyone should be ashamed to talk about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
There has never been anyone to my knowledge ever arguing in favour of political correctness on Saddo. Certainly not a place for free speech though anymore. You express an alternative opinion and get fucking hammered by a bunch of braying hyenas. You won't see it from the middle of the pack though, you need to take a step back.
Considering someone's attitude healthy and proper when they agree with you and mentally ill when they don't demonstrates it.
I don't really do political correctness as you well know considering how much you harangue me for critiquing African birth rates, for suggesting the Paralympics is not that popular, or my support for 'far right racist cunts'. If you do the opposite that might well be you! Ha! You have called me an eccentric and I wouldn't disagree. I will leave it at that.
Nobody harangues you though do they? You are the forums Milo surrounded by your boot boy enforcers. You obsessed with pedalling bullshit propaganda. How many more hundreds of YouTube propaganda videos from the victims you keep telling us are censored by the very company on whose platform they are provided a voice. Just like you and your daft crybabies are here on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You basic complaint seems to be that you want to be seen as an individual when you have always been a sheep, a cog, an easily led patsy.
You have harangued me and others plenty over the years. You appear to be in complete denial. I don't really mind, but I find it quite funny to be described as having 'enforcers' too. You make things up. I have always been saying my own thing and have argued plenty with any person you can argue is an 'enforcer'. It's all in your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNobody harangues you though do they? You are the forums Milo surrounded by your boot boy enforcers. You obsessed with pedalling bullshit propaganda. How many more hundreds of YouTube propaganda videos from the victims you keep telling us are censored by the very company on whose platform they are provided a voice. Just like you and your daft crybabies are here on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You basic complaint seems to be that you want to be seen as an individual when you have always been a sheep, a cog, an easily led patsy.
Now what is this 'bullshit propaganda'? You mean information that you and your politically correct brain cannot handle? Anything in the 'propaganda' that you would actually like to state is false?
Sure, Robinson is allowed a small audience for a channel he cannot use himself for political purposes, but he is banned from all other major networks and rather than a subscription of hundreds of thousands or a million followers on Facebook, he has a small outlet of a few thousand here and there helped by others. His message would be much larger and you know it! Of course he is censored.
Who are my crybabies? You have run most of those chaps off. Racists, and evil doers, and you are not politically correct at all. ;D
Of course I am an individual and I reach my own conclusions. I am not so sure I can say the same for you as evidenced by the Robinson thread where you showed yourself up as a liar and fool repeating mainstream lies again and again and vomiting streams of ridiculous hyperbole.
Your routine is broken, Old Beanz. Speaking of Milo, well, just saying.