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Is it a joke or a death threat?
I don't know about any of you, but lately we have been hearing a lot about threats NOT to rape somebody, but the same person who says it made her cry has said she would like to stab Jeremy Corbyn! Apparently she 'knows what she means and means what she says' according to Owen Jones! Isn't that scary? She says it 1:10 seconds into the video. The media is defending someone who is either a) making a joke or b) threatening to kill someone. Hopefully the police will investigate and this 4 year old interview will be brought back up by the media who clearly do not have an agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TcLhDTUxVs
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Ha! not obsessed at all are you mate?
In answer to you very dishonest question designed to put an answer into people's head that you agree with.
It is neither.
It is not a joke or a death threat. It is using an expression that has been common in politics since the days of Caesar. The fact that you would be so wilful in your deliberate misinterpretation of it shows exactly what either you do not understand about free speech or do not actually believe in.
Nobody here has suggested the police should investigate Tarragon. Apparently not endorsing his verbal assault on this MP, however much of a twat she is, leads you to feel justified in some childish tit for tat search for an equivalence that really is not there. She is in the same party as Corbyn whom you yourself have repeatedly stabbed verbally just because he will not write off labour voters who voted remain. It is of course quite possible to be a lefty even an extreme one and believe in leaving the EU. That is a position Corbyn respects but you do not. You insist that people must vote for some internet cult figure and support Robinson because to do otherwise makes them traitors.
So even though Owen Jones supports leaving the EU too you cannot wrap your head around it and so dismiss his considered opinion in a rush to patronize wetherspoons the chain pub that has killed off more British locals than any other. That is how simplistic your argument is. Your way or the high way.
So because you will not admit Benji is a bit of a tit you will dig a hole and demand that people be arrested because it was never about free speech was it? it was all about sanctioning blaming women, attacking women, scapegoating women and most importantly not facing up to the responsibility and truth that being a man entails.
You want to stay a boy ...like Carl.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...speech-profits
So, the remarkable Jess Phillips is seemingly going to have to resign having threatened to kill Jeremy Corbyn several years ago.
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Beanz, you are clearly autistic. I am laughing at you as I knew you would bite. This is a tongue in cheek mocking of a hypocrite who by her own criteria is suggesting she must be forced from office herself. After all who decides what words have meaning?
Of course she doesn't want to kill anyone and clearly Benjamin does not want to rape anyone. He did add on that there is not enough beer, but likewise it is called a joke. All so silly as are you.
Obsessed is the media. And the double standards are your own. Honk honk.
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And why do you bring up all the other unrelated stuff every time? I wasn't even having a go at Jones here and don't care what he thinks about something else. I agree on some things and disagree on others. Stop being so weird. Jones himself flip flops on Corbyn but has never suggested knifing him.
Phillips is a typical lefty free speech hater and you are just a silly white knight who will go along with it to make yourself feel better. With freedom of speech will come things that make us uncomfortable or laugh. No way around that. Thus I accept her comment and no apology required. 😜
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You really do not understand it do you? You bring these things up and then throw a hissy fit when everyone does not agree with you. It becomes such an arduous experience for you that you then have to resort to not only inventing an opposing argument nobody is making but you have to descend into personal attacks to make your opponent seem to be deranged.
Where did I start a thread moaning about the bloke egging Corbyn or bring up Benjamin using rape threats as a verbal attack on a woman?
When you say things like
"Beanz, you are clearly autistic. I am laughing at you as I knew you would bite"
It proves you are quite the callous and cruel backstabber and have more in common with Benjamin than you realise.
I can't help being autistic anymore than you can help being a lanky cunt. It has been incredibly helpful to me in many ways and made life much harder in others. Just like women can not help figuring disproportionately in rape victim figures when Lardon or whatever he is called says
'I would not even Rape you'
He is clearly inferring that women not only choose to be raped, but that it is about sex and sexual attraction and not the imposition of power and domination thru violence it really is.Adding on 'There is not enough beer' does not transform what he said into a joke or make things better it just reinforces that stereotype and proves like you how little empathy, common sense or decency the bloke has.
It is not being PC or a white knight to point out these things it's just common sense and straight talking. Nobody would say it on Benjamins channel because there is a weird cult like 100% sucking of his balls clogging up his comment section. You seem perturbed that the same sycophancy is not shared by 100% of the posters here. That is life. Get over it nobody is insisting you need to change your mind or seeking to catch you out and trap you.
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I didn't actually know for sure if you were autistic or not, but good for you for admitting as much. I consider that brave and might explain why you sometimes have problems reading me as I am a bit quirky. I must admit you have puzzled me a lot over the years. It might also explain your thing for details.
Like I say though, I have my criticisms of Jones, but really wasn't doing so here. It really is just laughing at Phillips and riffing on recent topics.
I have sometimes wondered if I fall onto the autistic side of the spectrum myself with my anti social and bookish tendencies, but it really is no issue. I think we all fit somewhere in the rainbow of personality types and are who we are. I am quite a complicated personality, so I try to keep myself as simple as I can.
I think you struggle a bit reading the different modes I use for posting. I can reassure you that I am not at all upset that you are challenging my point of view. At times I am combative, other times sincere, and others flippant, or mocking. I do think Robinson, Akkad, and Phillips are entitled to their voices and I am very much into free speech.
I also know that we can be sensitive about things sometimes, so if one goes to far we can consider that too. I am not entirely unreasonable. And needless to say, I do not want to knife you. Or is it the opposite? I jest of course. Putting on Alan Partridge voice: 'Or should we forget about all this and have a cup of tea?'
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Clever response by that twitter user albeit an apples and oranges comparison.
It's beyond my comprehension how a guy (Mark Meechan/Count Dankula) who was a lefty his entire life makes a joke an EASILY understood parody (which isn't benefiting, glamorizing, or showering with praise) of Nazis and for some reason the herd mentality of certain folks take it seriously and due to that they label Mark Meechan/Count Dankula an actual Nazi.
I really do wonder why this has continued.....do these outraged folks who see him a Nazi actually believe he's a Nazi OR are they so embarrassed by their awful take they're thinking "Maybe if we actually think he's a Nazi until he dies or capitulates to our outrage machine we won't look so bad at the end of all this"
Also other notable "Nazis": John Cleese, Charlie Chaplain, Mel Brooks, Freddie Starr.....yet Meechan receives death threats for it and oddly enough not even from Nazis he was mocking, but from people who are "Anti-Fascist" yet those very same people have some very strict views on speech..... :scratchchin:
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I think the problem with that Count Duck bloke is, he exposed peoples own hypocrisy, especially the media. They all jumped on the band wagon calling him an evil racist - he looks like a wrongun, he's from Scotland - before realising it was supposed to be comedy and in fact he's not a thug but "intelligent." And quite simply won't admit they were wrong. Frankie Boyle is funny because he's a lefty but this bloke isn't because he's a lefty we don't believe in.
It seems to me, the media can't stand the fact these Youtubers have created massive followings and big money championing free speech and arguing against political correctness. And the majority of the "anti-fascist" mob have been exposed as massive hypocrites.
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I think the problem with that Count Duck bloke is, he exposed peoples own hypocrisy, especially the media. They all jumped on the band wagon calling him an evil racist - he looks like a wrongun, he's from Scotland - before realising it was supposed to be comedy and in fact he's not a thug but "intelligent." And quite simply won't admit they were wrong. Frankie Boyle is funny because he's a lefty but this bloke isn't because he's a lefty we don't believe in.
It seems to me, the media can't stand the fact these Youtubers have created massive followings and big money championing free speech and arguing against political correctness. And the majority of the "anti-fascist" mob have been exposed as massive hypocrites.
Well said. The ''anti fascist" brigade are targeting people who want the opposite of shutting down discourse and actually do think there is some merit to democracy. At the latest UKIP meet they were trying to drown out discourse with noise tactics, violence, and basic abuse. It is very weak and all because they don't like democracy (Brexit) and refuse to accept that people have the right to speak. It is strange that they cannot see that the monster they fear is very much within them already. I honestly find the media and public quite disturbing, but it obviously isn't everyone and as you know Robinson's odds are very low too. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Then Phillips saying that anyone suggesting violence be banned from office. But, she wants to stab Jeremy Corbyn! Of course it is metaphorical, but hey, who is to judge. This is why you do not shut down free speech as it leads to very bad outcomes. Stupid or even dangerous people WILL abuse it for their own ends. Thus you don't even give them the chance to do so.
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Miles when its stated "You have a hissy fit when PEOPLE here don't agree with you ".
Change the PEOPLE - TO - PERSON and its nearer the mark.
Owen Jones is a joke of a human being.
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Miles when its stated "You have a hissy fit when PEOPLE here don't agree with you ".
Change the PEOPLE - TO - PERSON and its nearer the mark.
Owen Jones is a joke of a human being.
True, I don't really see people as in the plural disagreeing with me. Maybe Master occasionally, but we can do so nicely. But don't forget Al, it could also be because a) nobody on here wants to talk about these topics or b) I have run them all off the forum.
Note: Not looking for a flame war....just having a laugh! ;D
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Ha! What a load of sanctimonious bollocks. The difference between Frankie Boyle and the count cunt bloke is that Boyle is a comedian.
The duck bloke is part of the do anything to generate a reaction on the Internet shit poster. The irony of the faux outrage people are displaying in order to establish their own right on virtue signalling in brave defence of free speech would be a genius demonstration of assuming a character to use satire, if people really thought about it.
Notice how online his dumb stunt attracted such a gloaty warm hug from wankers like Alex Jones, PJW, and actual anti-semites?but..but...Gervais
Ha!
No acknowledgement that a £800 fine paid one would think by some actual nazi cunt will make no difference now that his noterioty has ballooned massively. Its like X factor for alt right hipsters.
'Champagne Socialists, Billy has got a mansion Bragg, but he was a lefty' same old same old.
If you think Tommy is now an undercover journalist, duckman is a comedian and Tarragon is a statesmen like advocate for free speech, then you deserve the pile of shite you will have to wade thru on order to find something other than pug nuggets.
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I don't know about any of you, but lately we have been hearing a lot about threats NOT to rape somebody, but the same person who says it made her cry has said she would like to stab Jeremy Corbyn!......
You have Miles because its what you seek out and surround yourself with. You are like the blokes Lyle mistakenly calls lefties or centerists when all you actually do is attack the left and big up all these odd right wing heroes. They all have woman issues, girlfriend issues, issues with black people or Jews, or single mothers or immigrants or journalists or the law or more often than not the left.
And the crux of your argument now seems to be because you think you are on the same side as the majority who phone up 'I am a cardigan wearer get me out of here ' you must be right.
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Miles when its stated "You have a hissy fit when PEOPLE here don't agree with you ".
Change the PEOPLE - TO - PERSON and its nearer the mark.
Owen Jones is a joke of a human being.
Jones has achieved a lot for a bloke in his early thirties. I assume Miles main problem with him is Jones actual concern for the demonization of the working class and that you hate Jones because you think you are better than most people and consider him a peasant.
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Ha! What a load of sanctimonious bollocks. The difference between Frankie Boyle and the count cunt bloke is that Boyle is a comedian.
The duck bloke is part of the do anything to generate a reaction on the Internet shit poster. The irony of the faux outrage people are displaying in order to establish their own right on virtue signalling in brave defence of free speech would be a genius demonstration of assuming a character to use satire, if people really thought about it.
Notice how online his dumb stunt attracted such a gloaty warm hug from wankers like Alex Jones, PJW, and actual anti-semites?but..but...Gervais
Ha!
No acknowledgement that a £800 fine paid one would think by some actual nazi cunt will make no difference now that his noterioty has ballooned massively. Its like X factor for alt right hipsters.
'Champagne Socialists, Billy has got a mansion Bragg, but he was a lefty' same old same old.
If you think Tommy is now an undercover journalist, duckman is a comedian and Tarragon is a statesmen like advocate for free speech, then you deserve the pile of shite you will have to wade thru on order to find something other than pug nuggets.
What a bloody snob!!!
You're not a real photographer David Bailey is (:D).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
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You are missing the point Fenster. You can say 'Gas the Jews' 20 times in a row and waste weeks of your life training a dog that is not yours for one lame joke or you can knuckle down and graft and learn your craft. You now have people threatening libel on anyone using 'words' against these YouTube vitrtue virtuals.
My five and seven year old grandsons want to be YouTubers as a job. Fucking hell man. I must have shot 250+ bands before I got to interview who I wanted and spent years mentoring young artists before getting commissioned by the arts Council. Short cut culture is what it is and I do not envy that kind of fame its about the work for me not some gurning vox pop drive for more likes.
That is why 'I wouldn't even rape you' is not satire and dog videos are not the same as fellow jock Boyle mastering the use of the English l as language as a medium as evidenced in his brilliant columns.
I don't agree with censorship which is why I have workefmd for those who have defended these guys but I reserve the right to call a spade a spade that is what free speech means.
It is also why I laughed when Al offered me an apprenticship not because I think I am too good to work in a supermarket or labour on a site, I have done both. Yet when you want to forge your own path and put in the thousands of hours needed to expand your skill set and cv as a freelancer, so you can make a living not having to do such menial boring crap, it gets scorned as though anyone not fitting into a box must be a bullshitter.
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I don't know about any of you, but lately we have been hearing a lot about threats NOT to rape somebody, but the same person who says it made her cry has said she would like to stab Jeremy Corbyn!......
You have Miles because its what you seek out and surround yourself with. You are like the blokes Lyle mistakenly calls lefties or centerists when all you actually do is attack the left and big up all these odd right wing heroes. They all have woman issues, girlfriend issues, issues with black people or Jews, or single mothers or immigrants or journalists or the law or more often than not the left.
And the crux of your argument now seems to be because you think you are on the same side as the majority who phone up 'I am a cardigan wearer get me out of here ' you must be right.
Eh? What does all this mean? ;D
I have issues with some of those things and I think you will find a lot of people do. For instance, if I say that the black single mother rates are extraordinarily high and thus harmful for children, I will inevitably be called a racist, a misogynist, and a variety of things. I just think it is healthy to discuss things openly in order to find ways to make things better. Now obviously we do not change the world on a forum, but it is good to mix our ideas and hammer it out. I could tackle each of those things you listed one by one but it would take too long.
Shutting down discourse is a terrible thing and the main issue I have with Phillips is that she is now trying to dictate who should run for office and she is a hypocrite and an authoritarian. You don't want any of that near power. Plus any politician that describes her husband as 'Well fit' on the Internet is odd. I had almost forgotten weird expressions like that existed. 'Well fit' is something Oscar Wilde would never say. Gross.
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Gandalf
I don't know about any of you, but lately we have been hearing a lot about threats NOT to rape somebody, but the same person who says it made her cry has said she would like to stab Jeremy Corbyn!......
You have Miles because its what you seek out and surround yourself with. You are like the blokes Lyle mistakenly calls lefties or centerists when all you actually do is attack the left and big up all these odd right wing heroes. They all have woman issues, girlfriend issues, issues with black people or Jews, or single mothers or immigrants or journalists or the law or more often than not the left.
And the crux of your argument now seems to be because you think you are on the same side as the majority who phone up 'I am a cardigan wearer get me out of here ' you must be right.
Eh? What does all this mean? ;D
I have issues with some of those things and I think you will find a lot of people do. For instance, if I say that the black single mother rates are extraordinarily high and thus harmful for children, I will inevitably be called a racist, a misogynist, and a variety of things. I just think it is healthy to discuss things openly in order to find ways to make things better. Now obviously we do not change the world on a forum, but it is good to mix our ideas and hammer it out. I could tackle each of those things you listed one by one but it would take too long.
Shutting down discourse is a terrible thing and the main issue I have with Phillips is that she is now trying to dictate who should run for office and she is a hypocrite and an authoritarian. You don't want any of that near power. Plus any politician that describes her husband as 'Well fit' on the Internet is odd. I had almost forgotten weird expressions like that existed. 'Well fit' is something Oscar Wilde would never say. Gross.
See. You hate not only the working class but also it's culture. And the English language which is sustained and nourished by absorbing slang.
You sound well thick mate.
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Miles when its stated "You have a hissy fit when PEOPLE here don't agree with you ".
Change the PEOPLE - TO - PERSON and its nearer the mark.
Owen Jones is a joke of a human being.
Jones has achieved a lot for a bloke in his early thirties. I assume Miles main problem with him is Jones actual concern for the demonization of the working class and that you hate Jones because you think you are better than most people and consider him a peasant.
I actually agree with some of the things he says. I have read his book, but where I draw the line is in the identity politics and classing ordinary people who disagree with him as Nazi's or Alt right. I find that immature and unhelpful. I have demonized the working classes myself, but those view came from formative years, which Jones would not have experienced, such as having someone trespassing our council estate garden and threaten to stab our dog and things like that. As a sensitive child it was a violent side that I simply wasn't used to. Homeless hostels, junkies, damaged people, and people refusing to work and all of that. It didn't leave a good impression on me. Obviously good people too, but I was so young. The dark leaves the bigger impact. I realize that was more the underclass rather than the working class as those people often just won't work at all. That is a world of pure nihilism actually and thus I find you a bit odd painting Peterson as nihilistic.
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Ha! What a load of sanctimonious bollocks. The difference between Frankie Boyle and the count cunt bloke is that Boyle is a comedian.
The duck bloke is part of the do anything to generate a reaction on the Internet shit poster. The irony of the faux outrage people are displaying in order to establish their own right on virtue signalling in brave defence of free speech would be a genius demonstration of assuming a character to use satire, if people really thought about it.
Notice how online his dumb stunt attracted such a gloaty warm hug from wankers like Alex Jones, PJW, and actual anti-semites?but..but...Gervais
Ha!
No acknowledgement that a £800 fine paid one would think by some actual nazi cunt will make no difference now that his noterioty has ballooned massively. Its like X factor for alt right hipsters.
'Champagne Socialists, Billy has got a mansion Bragg, but he was a lefty' same old same old.
If you think Tommy is now an undercover journalist, duckman is a comedian and Tarragon is a statesmen like advocate for free speech, then you deserve the pile of shite you will have to wade thru on order to find something other than pug nuggets.
What a bloody snob!!!
You're not a real photographer David Bailey is (:D).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
Snobbery is a funny thing and I often find myself guilty of reverse snobbery when I meet people with money and a private education etc the old RP accent and i have to remind myself to try and not that cloud my judgement. Pie himself went to the Edingburgh Fringe and was not accepted by many stand up comedians as one of their peers, even though he has put in the hours as working/jobbing actor. Just as many who would accept Duckman as a fellow comedian could not bring themselves to accept a luvie as one of their own. It's not what it appears to be, and just like Robinson in 2019 not having served an apprenticeship writing 'man finds dog' stories for the local rag does not make disqualify him from calling himself what he likes, it is not the same thing.
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Beanz
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Gandalf
I don't know about any of you, but lately we have been hearing a lot about threats NOT to rape somebody, but the same person who says it made her cry has said she would like to stab Jeremy Corbyn!......
You have Miles because its what you seek out and surround yourself with. You are like the blokes Lyle mistakenly calls lefties or centerists when all you actually do is attack the left and big up all these odd right wing heroes. They all have woman issues, girlfriend issues, issues with black people or Jews, or single mothers or immigrants or journalists or the law or more often than not the left.
And the crux of your argument now seems to be because you think you are on the same side as the majority who phone up 'I am a cardigan wearer get me out of here ' you must be right.
Eh? What does all this mean? ;D
I have issues with some of those things and I think you will find a lot of people do. For instance, if I say that the black single mother rates are extraordinarily high and thus harmful for children, I will inevitably be called a racist, a misogynist, and a variety of things. I just think it is healthy to discuss things openly in order to find ways to make things better. Now obviously we do not change the world on a forum, but it is good to mix our ideas and hammer it out. I could tackle each of those things you listed one by one but it would take too long.
Shutting down discourse is a terrible thing and the main issue I have with Phillips is that she is now trying to dictate who should run for office and she is a hypocrite and an authoritarian. You don't want any of that near power. Plus any politician that describes her husband as 'Well fit' on the Internet is odd. I had almost forgotten weird expressions like that existed. 'Well fit' is something Oscar Wilde would never say. Gross.
See. You hate not only the working class but also it's culture. And the English language which is sustained and nourished by absorbing slang.
You sound well thick mate.
I respect anybody that works hard to provide for their family.
The term 'well fit' is repulsive. It is the kind of language used by a 14 year old to describe a classroom crush, not some politician on social media. You would say 'My husband is a funny, caring, and attractive man' rather than 'My husband is well fit'. It is not the crime of the century, but shows where her brain is at. I would hate to be called 'well fit'. It would turn me right off.
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You are missing the point Fenster. You can say 'Gas the Jews' 20 times in a row and waste weeks of your life training a dog that is not yours for one lame joke or you can knuckle down and graft and learn your craft. You now have people threatening libel on anyone using 'words' against these YouTube vitrtue virtuals.
My five and seven year old grandsons want to be YouTubers as a job. Fucking hell man. I must have shot 250+ bands before I got to interview who I wanted and spent years mentoring young artists before getting commissioned by the arts Council. Short cut culture is what it is and I do not envy that kind of fame its about the work for me not some gurning vox pop drive for more likes.
That is why 'I wouldn't even rape you' is not satire and dog videos are not the same as fellow jock Boyle mastering the use of the English l as language as a medium as evidenced in his brilliant columns.
I don't agree with censorship which is why I have workefmd for those who have defended these guys but I reserve the right to call a spade a spade that is what free speech means.
It is also why I laughed when Al offered me an apprenticship not because I think I am too good to work in a supermarket or labour on a site, I have done both. Yet when you want to forge your own path and put in the thousands of hours needed to expand your skill set and cv as a freelancer, so you can make a living not having to do such menial boring crap, it gets scorned as though anyone not fitting into a box must be a bullshitter.
Hmmm.. it comes across a bit bitter or jealous (like the journos hunting down Robinson for cringe-worthily claiming he's a journalist) when you claim your own personal work/effort/life choices are more worthy than someone else, with some other interest, having success, or not, in some other field.
How is that much different to AL regarding anyone without a "proper" job and bank full of filthy lucre is a "peasant?"
Or Miles calling 15 million people a lowlife chav for enjoying the X-factor and failing to fall in love with Brett Anderson?
One man's medicine is another man’s poison.
Anyone who believes they will definitely succeed in life as long as they keep "working" is a silly fool. Nobody is special. Nobody "deserves" a fucking thing.
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You are missing the point Fenster. You can say 'Gas the Jews' 20 times in a row and waste weeks of your life training a dog that is not yours for one lame joke or you can knuckle down and graft and learn your craft. You now have people threatening libel on anyone using 'words' against these YouTube vitrtue virtuals.
My five and seven year old grandsons want to be YouTubers as a job. Fucking hell man. I must have shot 250+ bands before I got to interview who I wanted and spent years mentoring young artists before getting commissioned by the arts Council. Short cut culture is what it is and I do not envy that kind of fame its about the work for me not some gurning vox pop drive for more likes.
That is why 'I wouldn't even rape you' is not satire and dog videos are not the same as fellow jock Boyle mastering the use of the English l as language as a medium as evidenced in his brilliant columns.
I don't agree with censorship which is why I have workefmd for those who have defended these guys but I reserve the right to call a spade a spade that is what free speech means.
It is also why I laughed when Al offered me an apprenticship not because I think I am too good to work in a supermarket or labour on a site, I have done both. Yet when you want to forge your own path and put in the thousands of hours needed to expand your skill set and cv as a freelancer, so you can make a living not having to do such menial boring crap, it gets scorned as though anyone not fitting into a box must be a bullshitter.
Hmmm.. it comes across a bit bitter or jealous (like the journos hunting down Robinson for cringe-worthily claiming he's a journalist) when you claim your own personal work/effort/life choices are more worthy than someone else, with some other interest, having success, or not, in some other field.
How is that much different to AL regarding anyone without a "proper" job and bank full of filthy lucre is a "peasant?"
Or Miles calling 15 million people a lowlife chav for enjoying the X-factor and failing to fall in love with Brett Anderson?
One man's medicine is another man’s poison.
Anyone who believes they will definitely succeed in life as long as they keep "working" is a silly fool. Nobody is special. Nobody "deserves" a fucking thing.
I don't think they are low life chavs for enjoying that, but I do think most people have pretty terrible taste, especially when they are young. For me, I am a bit snobbish in that I despise soaps, celebrity, and things of that nature. I simply do not see the point. That is a subjective statement of course. However, I think once people get beyond 30 or what have you many do start to catch up as people do grow and crave more.
I am not sure what your last point is about and assume it is something Beanz has said, but I think anybody can do well provided they keep working. If it is something like You Tube or stand up then you might get nowhere. But if you are going to earn a wage and bank regularly nobody has an excuse to not 'succeed', at least by my definition, which is to have a home, some food, and the occasional holiday. I agree that nobody deserves anything.
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Re: Is it a joke or a death threat?
I say fair play to the You Tubers like Pew Die Pie and Co. who have started from nothing and what have you. Beanz goes on about people getting donations, but isn't it good that people are given a choice to pay or not? It's like donating to charity rather than the government taking by force. It is meritorious in that regard. Also for those who put on adverts, you do also have the choice not to watch adverts by blocking them. It's like if you want a book, do you want it for free or do you pay for it? Isn't it even more respectful to say 'Pay if you want, but if you don't want to, then no big deal, just take it'. Kind of cool really. I don't knock self creators and if they get popular then good for them. I think also for some like Nazi Dog Man, he has actually tried getting regular work, but people keep trying to get him sacked and so he has no other avenues. I think that is rather unfair myself as he obviously is a pretty smart chap and like many is quite left leaning in his values. It is just that he likes to make naughty jokes with his dog. I don't think someone like Boyle is any more worthy than a You Tube comedian who hits the big time. Either you can translate to people or you cannot. There are some terrible comedians out there and even Alan Partridge has stopped being funny.
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Re: Is it a joke or a death threat?
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Fenster
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Beanz
You are missing the point Fenster. You can say 'Gas the Jews' 20 times in a row and waste weeks of your life training a dog that is not yours for one lame joke or you can knuckle down and graft and learn your craft. You now have people threatening libel on anyone using 'words' against these YouTube vitrtue virtuals.
My five and seven year old grandsons want to be YouTubers as a job. Fucking hell man. I must have shot 250+ bands before I got to interview who I wanted and spent years mentoring young artists before getting commissioned by the arts Council. Short cut culture is what it is and I do not envy that kind of fame its about the work for me not some gurning vox pop drive for more likes.
That is why 'I wouldn't even rape you' is not satire and dog videos are not the same as fellow jock Boyle mastering the use of the English l as language as a medium as evidenced in his brilliant columns.
I don't agree with censorship which is why I have workefmd for those who have defended these guys but I reserve the right to call a spade a spade that is what free speech means.
It is also why I laughed when Al offered me an apprenticship not because I think I am too good to work in a supermarket or labour on a site, I have done both. Yet when you want to forge your own path and put in the thousands of hours needed to expand your skill set and cv as a freelancer, so you can make a living not having to do such menial boring crap, it gets scorned as though anyone not fitting into a box must be a bullshitter.
Hmmm.. it comes across a bit bitter or jealous (like the journos hunting down Robinson for cringe-worthily claiming he's a journalist) when you claim your own personal work/effort/life choices are more worthy than someone else, with some other interest, having success, or not, in some other field.
How is that much different to AL regarding anyone without a "proper" job and bank full of filthy lucre is a "peasant?"
Or Miles calling 15 million people a lowlife chav for enjoying the X-factor and failing to fall in love with Brett Anderson?
One man's medicine is another man’s poison.
Anyone who believes they will definitely succeed in life as long as they keep "working" is a silly fool. Nobody is special. Nobody "deserves" a fucking thing.
It probably does come across as being bitter but I can assure you I am not jealous. That is kind of the point. I don't think I am above being racist or a snob but i am certainly not some white Knight PC crusader either just because it simplifies people's choices to suggest that must be my position. It is a very binary world now, with very little empathy , more than ever, and it never fails to astound me how willfully misconstrued things are in order to win an argument on the interweb, rather than find some common ground. It's a bit like the higher moral ground immigrants are supposed to inhabit, as though they are not just normal people with the same collection of bastards and good people as the home grown knobs who have been wrecking the country for years.
Sometimes I hate my job, trying to get invoices paid by clients is like trying to squeeze money out of Master , a Jew, a stone. It is a choice, but also one that circumstances dictated, it is hardly special . Loads of self employed on here now the traditional kind of jobs are vanishing and the 'nobody has an excuse not to succeed' and 'if you are poor it's because you live beyond your means' rubbish is going to apply to more and more people if all people are worried about is getting a YouTube fix, refusing to pay for books, music, art etc and the automation of traditional jobs continues
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Re: Is it a joke or a death threat?
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
You are missing the point Fenster. You can say 'Gas the Jews' 20 times in a row and waste weeks of your life training a dog that is not yours for one lame joke or you can knuckle down and graft and learn your craft. You now have people threatening libel on anyone using 'words' against these YouTube vitrtue virtuals.
My five and seven year old grandsons want to be YouTubers as a job. Fucking hell man. I must have shot 250+ bands before I got to interview who I wanted and spent years mentoring young artists before getting commissioned by the arts Council. Short cut culture is what it is and I do not envy that kind of fame its about the work for me not some gurning vox pop drive for more likes.
That is why 'I wouldn't even rape you' is not satire and dog videos are not the same as fellow jock Boyle mastering the use of the English l as language as a medium as evidenced in his brilliant columns.
I don't agree with censorship which is why I have workefmd for those who have defended these guys but I reserve the right to call a spade a spade that is what free speech means.
It is also why I laughed when Al offered me an apprenticship not because I think I am too good to work in a supermarket or labour on a site, I have done both. Yet when you want to forge your own path and put in the thousands of hours needed to expand your skill set and cv as a freelancer, so you can make a living not having to do such menial boring crap, it gets scorned as though anyone not fitting into a box must be a bullshitter.
Hmmm.. it comes across a bit bitter or jealous (like the journos hunting down Robinson for cringe-worthily claiming he's a journalist) when you claim your own personal work/effort/life choices are more worthy than someone else, with some other interest, having success, or not, in some other field.
How is that much different to AL regarding anyone without a "proper" job and bank full of filthy lucre is a "peasant?"
Or Miles calling 15 million people a lowlife chav for enjoying the X-factor and failing to fall in love with Brett Anderson?
One man's medicine is another man’s poison.
Anyone who believes they will definitely succeed in life as long as they keep "working" is a silly fool. Nobody is special. Nobody "deserves" a fucking thing.
I do not consider anyone who doesn't have a job a peasant , they are peasants.
For the record I'm working class like everyone here except the ones who don't work so are not working class.
Maybe Master is some Bengali Royalty but thats it. ;)
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Re: Is it a joke or a death threat?
I think more people need to lighten up in general.
Everybody likes to play the victim, mostly because they have sad lives.
Nobody here should ever feel they have to justify any part of their lives, however if you live by the sword they you have to die by the sword.
I think thats is a pretty good rule to learn so people dont cry themselves to sleep at night.
