I just can't believe at this stage that people are STILL fat and body shaming Andy Ruiz. My, God. Get over it!!
:rolleyes:
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I just can't believe at this stage that people are STILL fat and body shaming Andy Ruiz. My, God. Get over it!!
:rolleyes:
Fat acceptance is a health crisis in the USA. Between our aging population and the steep increase in obesity our health care prices are skyrocketing. In 1985 not 1 state had 15% obesity, now not 1 state has less than 20% obesity.
Everyone should feel comfortable with who they are, but they should feel a responsibility to their health as well. I’m giving up over 3000 of my dollars annually, as is the average American to fit the bill for people that don’t have the respect for themselves to take care of their health. We have movements like “Healthy at any size”, that’s a f’n lie. Beautiful at any size, intelligent at any size, hard working at any size are all possible. But healthy at any size is a lie that hurts and even kills people.
You’re right, fat shaming is wrong. But fat acceptance does far more damage, it’s killing, and killing at an ever increasing rate.
Remember Joe Hipp he was fat shit could he fight a tough SOB.
Don't judge a book by its cover it's boxing not the body beautiful.!
The problem is that you can’t tell me that Ruiz wouldn’t be better if he ate better
Ruiz comes off as one of the more legitimately confident tubby fighters. There have been far worse with even less ability. Prior to Miller inserting both of his feet into his big mouth and god knows what in his arse cheek there were some who had no problems with his ever expanding sweat pants at 315. I mean really, raise your hand from your couch if you've ever gone 12 hard rounds.
it's not OK to be a fat cunt. It's bad for you, for everyone else and it's totally your fault if you are a lardass porky motherfucker.
That’s the issue with the HW division though. It’s the only division where you can get into shape but eat whatever you want and mess up your body and still be one of the top guys. HW division is generally the worst because of this. Ever notice why the top fighters never look like Ruiz? Because those that are serious about being on top will be disciplined enough to not look like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
And I hate the body type argument. There are different types of bodies but I’ve never seen an in shape and healthy eater look like that. They may not have a six pack or even look rock solid, but they at least look semi fit.
Two Ton Tony Galenta
Buster Mathis Jr.
James Toney (that fought Rahman, what a tub of lard)
Chris Arreola
Andy Ruiz
There's a chunky guy with boxing skills every era!
Fat, Super morbidly obese are the words that describe him , don't do use a liberal buzzword like "chunky" or "big boned" he is a fat bastard end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
A fat bastard with talent who can fight , but i dont contend he is better for being fat.
If wanted to go libtard I would've said he's thickly challenged. A poor man's butterbean. He's a slim guy that's supersized that's all ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlFat, Super morbidly obese are the words that describe him , don't do use a liberal buzzword like "chunky" or "big boned" he is a fat bastard end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
A fat bastard with talent who can fight , but i dont contend he is better for being fat.
lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeIf wanted to go libtard I would've said he's thickly challenged. A poor man's butterbean. He's a slim guy that's supersized that's all ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlFat, Super morbidly obese are the words that describe him , don't do use a liberal buzzword like "chunky" or "big boned" he is a fat bastard end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
A fat bastard with talent who can fight , but i dont contend he is better for being fat.
With Ruiz the trouble is if he wasnt a big fatass he couldnt make heavyweight. Hes also not out of shape where it counts most, and there is no reason to think he would be any better for losing weight.
Same was said of Arreola. Man that dude would have been incredible at 175 and cruiserweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
You do know that he didn't really weigh two tons, right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Oh that's a common mistake that's not his WEIGHT X it's how much he could eat in one sitting ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by XYou do know that he didn't really weigh two tons, right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Stop calling Ruiz fat he has enough on his plate.
Sure it is true we often do judge a guy or gal on appearance be it in the ring or bobbling down the sidewalks. Heavyweights would seem to be limitless on the scale and first thought that rotund is..oh great not commitment here. But I wouldn't say great expanses are limited to hvys as now so many guys leap divisions or do cw or simply blow weight in short time. Wonder how many hvys drain down to scale and come in 20 lbs additional?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s the issue with the HW division though. It’s the only division where you can get into shape but eat whatever you want and mess up your body and still be one of the top guys. HW division is generally the worst because of this. Ever notice why the top fighters never look like Ruiz? Because those that are serious about being on top will be disciplined enough to not look like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
And I hate the body type argument. There are different types of bodies but I’ve never seen an in shape and healthy eater look like that. They may not have a six pack or even look rock solid, but they at least look semi fit.
I just want an honest effort at the top level, good fights. It's not a bikini contest and if we've learned anything it's that looks can be deceiving in every weight class. I'm not convinced a stripped down less chubber version of Ruiz would be a better fighter or take as good a shot or have the same motor. I mean look back at say the 90's and the gaggle of sculpted guys that really never measured up or were sucking air like a fish on land. Saw a tubby Tony Tubbs clown a svelte Riddick Bowe and get robbed for it once. Honestly a few of the top guys today have some hips hangeth over and c cups. Some can box circles, and others hit there built in Zab Judah stamina peak and lumber around.
Not to get silly with it but on the flip side, when is too much too much in bulk and body adonis. Now Joshua is a physical specimen and hard work and fitness speaks for itself. But has there been a time the conditioning is suspect, and how's he do with all that muscled mass in the legs when consistently pushed at a fast pace. He took a dip in with Wlad and proved he had gears coming back but a fast churning worker will keep him moving. Not entirely sold Ruiz Jr is close to being the one but again be it a big baby Huey body type or a mountain of muscle, easier to judge a guy on work done and effort given
He went 12 rounds with Parker what I remember he did push Parker I don't think he is a bum at all.
AJ will be to much for him Ruiz is a decent enough opponent hell it's boxing anything can happen.
Yes, Ruiz is fat
However, Joshua is naturally a skinny and lanky guy. I've seen old photos of him, plus look at his calves, wrists and hands. Funny how nobody says anything much about that huge weight and muscle gain :rolleyes:
Thats right X. Even if he was fairly jacked up as a a young man, maintaining the body and size he has while being fit to fight 12 rounds is really suspect. I would put money on him being on stuff.
I’m just saying that there has never been a top HW that has looked like Ruiz. Every top HW in the history of boxing hasn’t look chubby. I’m in no way saying that being ripped makes you better, but I am saying that there is a reason that no top HW in history has looked like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliSure it is true we often do judge a guy or gal on appearance be it in the ring or bobbling down the sidewalks. Heavyweights would seem to be limitless on the scale and first thought that rotund is..oh great not commitment here. But I wouldn't say great expanses are limited to hvys as now so many guys leap divisions or do cw or simply blow weight in short time. Wonder how many hvys drain down to scale and come in 20 lbs additional?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s the issue with the HW division though. It’s the only division where you can get into shape but eat whatever you want and mess up your body and still be one of the top guys. HW division is generally the worst because of this. Ever notice why the top fighters never look like Ruiz? Because those that are serious about being on top will be disciplined enough to not look like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
And I hate the body type argument. There are different types of bodies but I’ve never seen an in shape and healthy eater look like that. They may not have a six pack or even look rock solid, but they at least look semi fit.
I just want an honest effort at the top level, good fights. It's not a bikini contest and if we've learned anything it's that looks can be deceiving in every weight class. I'm not convinced a stripped down less chubber version of Ruiz would be a better fighter or take as good a shot or have the same motor. I mean look back at say the 90's and the gaggle of sculpted guys that really never measured up or were sucking air like a fish on land. Saw a tubby Tony Tubbs clown a svelte Riddick Bowe and get robbed for it once. Honestly a few of the top guys today have some hips hangeth over and c cups. Some can box circles, and others hit there built in Zab Judah stamina peak and lumber around.
Not to get silly with it but on the flip side, when is too much too much in bulk and body adonis. Now Joshua is a physical specimen and hard work and fitness speaks for itself. But has there been a time the conditioning is suspect, and how's he do with all that muscled mass in the legs when consistently pushed at a fast pace. He took a dip in with Wlad and proved he had gears coming back but a fast churning worker will keep him moving. Not entirely sold Ruiz Jr is close to being the one but again be it a big baby Huey body type or a mountain of muscle, easier to judge a guy on work done and effort given
Yeh going over the years I can agree but being a top guy can rotate frequently. Ruiz has a particular lose pear shape and that's a tough measuring stick. You don't see that build at 32-1 that often. But there he is. Many top heavies have come in fat outta shape compared to their 'best' or prior showings. Peter was waddling around pushing 260 before he grabbed a trinket to be at top. Galento was shaped like a keg of beer when he almost gave Louis a heart attack. Remember when Foreman was called a fat old clown before lifting Holyfield off the canvas with a body shot and being back on 'top'. But in fairness compared to Ruiz, Foreman would be called the sculpted hulk of the two today ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI’m just saying that there has never been a top HW that has looked like Ruiz. Every top HW in the history of boxing hasn’t look chubby. I’m in no way saying that being ripped makes you better, but I am saying that there is a reason that no top HW in history has looked like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliSure it is true we often do judge a guy or gal on appearance be it in the ring or bobbling down the sidewalks. Heavyweights would seem to be limitless on the scale and first thought that rotund is..oh great not commitment here. But I wouldn't say great expanses are limited to hvys as now so many guys leap divisions or do cw or simply blow weight in short time. Wonder how many hvys drain down to scale and come in 20 lbs additional?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherThat’s the issue with the HW division though. It’s the only division where you can get into shape but eat whatever you want and mess up your body and still be one of the top guys. HW division is generally the worst because of this. Ever notice why the top fighters never look like Ruiz? Because those that are serious about being on top will be disciplined enough to not look like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
And I hate the body type argument. There are different types of bodies but I’ve never seen an in shape and healthy eater look like that. They may not have a six pack or even look rock solid, but they at least look semi fit.
I just want an honest effort at the top level, good fights. It's not a bikini contest and if we've learned anything it's that looks can be deceiving in every weight class. I'm not convinced a stripped down less chubber version of Ruiz would be a better fighter or take as good a shot or have the same motor. I mean look back at say the 90's and the gaggle of sculpted guys that really never measured up or were sucking air like a fish on land. Saw a tubby Tony Tubbs clown a svelte Riddick Bowe and get robbed for it once. Honestly a few of the top guys today have some hips hangeth over and c cups. Some can box circles, and others hit there built in Zab Judah stamina peak and lumber around.
Not to get silly with it but on the flip side, when is too much too much in bulk and body adonis. Now Joshua is a physical specimen and hard work and fitness speaks for itself. But has there been a time the conditioning is suspect, and how's he do with all that muscled mass in the legs when consistently pushed at a fast pace. He took a dip in with Wlad and proved he had gears coming back but a fast churning worker will keep him moving. Not entirely sold Ruiz Jr is close to being the one but again be it a big baby Huey body type or a mountain of muscle, easier to judge a guy on work done and effort given
Agreed. If he likes being fat its his choice
He knocked out Anthony Joshua which is far more impressive than being lean
hahahahah this made me laughQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Wilder and Joshua both looked ripped but in the last 6 months they've both been beat by guys with love handles.
immediate rematch, bad idea...
An immediate rematch wouldn't be so bad if he learns from his mistakes, but I don't know what the turnaround time for that would be. If you're the size of AJ and you're not landing the 1-2 on Ruiz FROM DISTANCE then I'm sorry you don't deserve to beat him. Everything works off the jab and if you're not hammering that point home vs Ruiz or anyone else then you're giving up your height, your defense, and you're letting your opponent get a good look at everything headed his way and that allows them to counter or brace for impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
The punches that knock guys out are the ones they don't see coming. Ruiz saw everything because AJ was lazy with that jab and he'd drop it and then he'd hook with the hooker which again is a bad move.
That was not the real AJ in there. He looked very poor and I have never seen him that bad before. It is not belittling Ruiz achievement but AJ has been able to handle better opponents than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAn immediate rematch wouldn't be so bad if he learns from his mistakes, but I don't know what the turnaround time for that would be. If you're the size of AJ and you're not landing the 1-2 on Ruiz FROM DISTANCE then I'm sorry you don't deserve to beat him. Everything works off the jab and if you're not hammering that point home vs Ruiz or anyone else then you're giving up your height, your defense, and you're letting your opponent get a good look at everything headed his way and that allows them to counter or brace for impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
The punches that knock guys out are the ones they don't see coming. Ruiz saw everything because AJ was lazy with that jab and he'd drop it and then he'd hook with the hooker which again is a bad move.
AJ was embarassed, dejected, and he wasn't getting his way in the ring and that's what you saw, that's the grimace of a smile and the turning of his back. He didn't want to be in there plain as that, he wanted a cake walk and what he got was a stubborn little bastard who refused to just lay down and take the L....happens all the time. I think a calm, focused AJ can still run the division, but too much success, too much other shit outside of boxing, getting drunk on the celebrity of being the best that makes you not want to work to beat the guys like Ruiz.
Hopefully it is a warning shot to all undefeated boxers never take your opponent lightly and always put the hard work in. The hard work is the attention to detail on the little stuff, footwork, stamina, snapping the jab, defense....you do that the knockouts come or they don't but at least you'll be winning on points.
AJ has a lot left to learn
We saw him look that bad for a number of rounds against a very gun shy Wlad who refused to finish him knowing his own stamina issues. Joshua didn't look great early here but seemed fine. He then scored a KD. He then got very careless and that is when he got unstuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat was not the real AJ in there. He looked very poor and I have never seen him that bad before. It is not belittling Ruiz achievement but AJ has been able to handle better opponents than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAn immediate rematch wouldn't be so bad if he learns from his mistakes, but I don't know what the turnaround time for that would be. If you're the size of AJ and you're not landing the 1-2 on Ruiz FROM DISTANCE then I'm sorry you don't deserve to beat him. Everything works off the jab and if you're not hammering that point home vs Ruiz or anyone else then you're giving up your height, your defense, and you're letting your opponent get a good look at everything headed his way and that allows them to counter or brace for impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
The punches that knock guys out are the ones they don't see coming. Ruiz saw everything because AJ was lazy with that jab and he'd drop it and then he'd hook with the hooker which again is a bad move.
The difference is Ruiz was willing to take the shot to be able to let his hands go. Ruiz didn't seem to hurt Joshua, it was more overwhelm him with combination punching. He went down not from a hard shot as such but more confusion at the Calzaghe style onslaught. He had no idea what to do.
I can only imagine the fun a Tyson or even a Toney would have in there against such a poor jab and sloppy defence.
If He wanted a cake walk then he underestimated Ruiz even worse then I imagined. AJ thought he could hop around in a few circles and then choose his dessert, what he got was a guy who has shed blood and tears for any type of cake his whole life. He thought he could just offer up a slice of black forest and that would be it, while as ruiz went down in the 3rd round he had the fear of less cake put in him. He knew in his heart its not always the black forest that makes a champion. He dug down and showed him that there are layers to the sponge, gave him butter and cream filling to think about, threw some flourless pound in there and soon enough AJ didnt even have the hunger for angel food.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ruiz certainly did batter Joshua.
Yes, it was great to see nobody seriously injured and mutual respect afterwards. The real icing was the enormous bucket of chocolate and cream cheese frosting Andy dove into as soon as he had his gloves removed though.
I just hope the beating he took caused no shortening of his career. He should've been whisked away to get a full checkup afterwards. All-dough you can never be sure about these things.
Nothing wrong with a fatty beating up a mr universe lookalike. Goes to show styles makes fights regardless of weight size and flab. Quality is in the punch not the puncher.
Interesting hypocrisy hereQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHad no business being in there in the first place. Andy Ruiz has got every tub of lard thinking he can. Amazing what Andy Ruiz can do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
;D