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Only if you have Mexican style. That's why they ducked Chris Arreola.
Thanks for your input. I just couldnt decide whether the most current result on his resume did more or less to bolster his resume on the world scene.
On the one hand he was very gracious after he lost. On the other hand he got repeatedly flattened by a tub of lard.
Something tells me being gracious after getting beat up by a tub of lard is easier than actually being beat up by one. I really just couldnt believe that ruiz more or less killed him in spite of what he gave up physically, its what seperates combat sports from any other.
Oh it definitely bolsters it. I keep reading people say it proves Joshua would have beat Wilder. Can't argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
True. We can measure a fighter's reach, their punch output, their stamina, but not heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I'm just gonna go with a yes on this one Alex. I really hope Ruiz gets that Snickers deal also.
Just snickers? Man KFC/Taco Bell, McD's, Old Country Buffet should be kicking his door in for endorsements!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Dude's a trip. Recent interviews he's been holding up snickers bars as a pre fight meal trying to get commercials ;D. Gotta say he never slowed though, he just kept raining on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeJust snickers? Man KFC/Taco Bell, McD's, Old Country Buffet should be kicking his door in for endorsements!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
the loss doesn't bother me at all. What I have a big problem with it look like Joshua quit. if he want to be a champion again he has to fight smarter and grow a pair. The heart of a Champion is very important.
One the one hand he was very sportsmanlike in defeat. On the other hand he was knocked out by the Michelin man.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Tyson is fat as well..both Ruiz and Tyson seem to have zero stamina issues.
AJ looked like he has David Price stamina issues.
He did seem to take long breaks after the knockdown and part of him could not continue.
He quit. Absolutely obvious for everyone to see. He ain’t about that life.
And Ruiz should tell them to do one, Eddie talking about the rematch in the Uk loool. Nah mate. Ruiz will get his big night in Vegas and he’ll smash him out even quicker, maybe in 2. Absolutely exposed
Well no surprise AJ will he get his revenge was it a Lewis moment will he Learn not to take opponents lightly.
AJ looked like a warrior in stone but on that performance he has a soft center.
Ruiz looked like Mr Blooby but he has the heart of a Lion.
Well done Ruiz but as I said anything can happen it is boxing.!
Yes. He lost his undefeated record and aura of invincibility
Anthony Joshua was exposed to an extent. Weak chin, Not enough heart. Bad stamina etc
And the worst part was his opponent was shorter, with a huge reach disadvantage and looked out of shape
No sir, he just preferred to be round shaped.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyktfo
troll. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by FensterOh it definitely bolsters it. I keep reading people say it proves Joshua would have beat Wilder. Can't argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
The people that say that are also "flat Earthers."
hmm. Technically AJ went flat like 18 times against a globe last night, but I think he was actually being hit by the projectiles of israeli air baloons posing as satellites and not punches from his big fat opponent.
Ruiz was definitely sucking air last night. He is just fortunate that AJ was even more drained. Ruiz was gassed after the third. AJ just was too tired to capitalize. That’s why Ruiz didn’t go for the knockout in the fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
AJ had his cards taken off the table for him more often than not. Huge dudes take turns looking for wind, guys pace themselves and knowing you're able to set the same combos and find your pretty predictable target over and over affords that. Credit where credit is due.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz was definitely sucking air last night. He is just fortunate that AJ was even more drained. Ruiz was gassed after the third. AJ just was too tired to capitalize. That’s why Ruiz didn’t go for the knockout in the fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I definitely credit Ruiz for winning, but I’m just stating that he did not look on top shape. I’m not sure if he would have beaten AJ if AJ weren’t so gassed. AJ looked like he weathered the storm a little but just couldn’t capitalize because he was so tired. Someone less tired could have gotten his legs back and adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliAJ had his cards taken off the table for him more often than not. Huge dudes take turns looking for wind, guys pace themselves and knowing you're able to set the same combos and find your pretty predictable target over and over affords that. Credit where credit is due.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz was definitely sucking air last night. He is just fortunate that AJ was even more drained. Ruiz was gassed after the third. AJ just was too tired to capitalize. That’s why Ruiz didn’t go for the knockout in the fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Well really didn't we assume to know that going in, he didn't 'look' like a lot of things while AJ did. It's two way traffic in there, Joshua was put there he didn't just waltz in and decide whelp heck I'm beat I'll just take a seat here on the canvas ;D. I asked it going in..all that bulk and muscle not to mention never really facing fast short counters like that. Andy set the pace. It came back to bite him and results trump look.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI definitely credit Ruiz for winning, but I’m just stating that he did not look on top shape. I’m not sure if he would have beaten AJ if AJ weren’t so gassed. AJ looked like he weathered the storm a little but just couldn’t capitalize because he was so tired. Someone less tired could have gotten his legs back and adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliAJ had his cards taken off the table for him more often than not. Huge dudes take turns looking for wind, guys pace themselves and knowing you're able to set the same combos and find your pretty predictable target over and over affords that. Credit where credit is due.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz was definitely sucking air last night. He is just fortunate that AJ was even more drained. Ruiz was gassed after the third. AJ just was too tired to capitalize. That’s why Ruiz didn’t go for the knockout in the fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Short and sweet, banned already? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyktfo
But how on earth was Joshua tired? He didn't do anything! :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz was definitely sucking air last night. He is just fortunate that AJ was even more drained. Ruiz was gassed after the third. AJ just was too tired to capitalize. That’s why Ruiz didn’t go for the knockout in the fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Again, just because AJ got more tired doesn’t mean that Ruiz was fit enough to last 12 effectively. Great win by Ruiz but only time will tell how well he does against other top HWs. If he proves me wrong and outlasts other fighters, I will eat crowQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWell really didn't we assume to know that going in, he didn't 'look' like a lot of things while AJ did. It's two way traffic in there, Joshua was put there he didn't just waltz in and decide whelp heck I'm beat I'll just take a seat here on the canvas ;D. I asked it going in..all that bulk and muscle not to mention never really facing fast short counters like that. Andy set the pace. It came back to bite him and results trump look.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI definitely credit Ruiz for winning, but I’m just stating that he did not look on top shape. I’m not sure if he would have beaten AJ if AJ weren’t so gassed. AJ looked like he weathered the storm a little but just couldn’t capitalize because he was so tired. Someone less tired could have gotten his legs back and adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliAJ had his cards taken off the table for him more often than not. Huge dudes take turns looking for wind, guys pace themselves and knowing you're able to set the same combos and find your pretty predictable target over and over affords that. Credit where credit is due.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz was definitely sucking air last night. He is just fortunate that AJ was even more drained. Ruiz was gassed after the third. AJ just was too tired to capitalize. That’s why Ruiz didn’t go for the knockout in the fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Hey don't get me wrong I'm not making Ruiz out to be the next coming but it's not like he came from absolute untested obscurity. He answered all questions put to him and surpassed expectations, he shook up the world ;D Joshua not so much. Personally I think Wilder v Ruiz would be an interesting style match up. And of course AJ rematch which is all but certain. Ruiz v Fury feels like it would be dreadful but have to see how this plays out now.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherAgain, just because AJ got more tired doesn’t mean that Ruiz was fit enough to last 12 effectively. Great win by Ruiz but only time will tell how well he does against other top HWs. If he proves me wrong and outlasts other fighters, I will eat crowQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWell really didn't we assume to know that going in, he didn't 'look' like a lot of things while AJ did. It's two way traffic in there, Joshua was put there he didn't just waltz in and decide whelp heck I'm beat I'll just take a seat here on the canvas ;D. I asked it going in..all that bulk and muscle not to mention never really facing fast short counters like that. Andy set the pace. It came back to bite him and results trump look.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI definitely credit Ruiz for winning, but I’m just stating that he did not look on top shape. I’m not sure if he would have beaten AJ if AJ weren’t so gassed. AJ looked like he weathered the storm a little but just couldn’t capitalize because he was so tired. Someone less tired could have gotten his legs back and adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliAJ had his cards taken off the table for him more often than not. Huge dudes take turns looking for wind, guys pace themselves and knowing you're able to set the same combos and find your pretty predictable target over and over affords that. Credit where credit is due.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherRuiz was definitely sucking air last night. He is just fortunate that AJ was even more drained. Ruiz was gassed after the third. AJ just was too tired to capitalize. That’s why Ruiz didn’t go for the knockout in the fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I get the impression that Ruiz Jr has provided the blueprint to beat Joshua.
It was those fast counters & the body attack that did for Joshua, but Ruiz also showed a lot of heart & a good chin, plus he was prepared to gamble.
Not every fighter has those attributes or would be prepared to gamble like that.
Well he certainly did a great Bruno impersonation stumbling around like a drunken wildebeest. Not holding when he was hurt.... "clinching is horrible, it's awful" shut up, it's the SMART MOVE, you clinch, you push off, you use that until the ref warns you or starts taking points, these are weapons to use at your disposal.
The most demoralizing thing about this loss is that it wasn't a 1 lucky punch landing flush and rocking AJ for more than 10 seconds or a follow up after something like that. It wasn't AJ gassing out swinging for the fences....this was AJ getting into a trading battle and getting caught again, again, again, again and never learning or making adjustments. That's more than just a momentary lack of focus, that's more than someone throwing the right punch at the right time and landing clean it's someone seeing an opening inherent in AJ's style and exploiting it.
Andy Ruiz didn't lay the blueprint down in toto, but he got a really good rough draft in for people to follow. I'm not sure Wilder could follow it, I'm not sure Fury could follow it, but there are other fighters who certainly could follow it if AJ doesn't learn from his mistakes.
The ONLY good thing is perhaps this makes AJ-Wilder or Wilder-Fury 2 or AJ-Fury easier to make going forward but I doubt it.
I had to open another account for this. I watched the fight. Man – Where do I begin ?
First off people need to stop talking about the body of Ruiz. I learned long ago that body fat isn’t an indicator of cardiovascular conditioning, its just extra weight being carried around. Muscle on the other hand is active weight, therefore it requires oxygen to operate, so being heavily muscled is more tiring than being fat, due to needing more oxygen to perform continuously.
That’s one of the reasons why Joshua was panting like a Labrador and pawing at his jab meekly. That’s one of the reasons why he lost to a taco eating fat yankee.
I think because Wilder is so technically flawed that it subconsciously had a lot of people under the impression that AJ was this great technician. Yes, he’s technically superior to Wilder. But he’s not difficult to hit.
I still think AJ beats Wilder and Fury. Joshua is still the best heavyweight so long as he fights anyone over 6ft 3.
To me Joshua actually improved his stature in defeat. Not because of his in-ring performance, obviously, but because of his gracious way of handling defeat.
But one judge actually had Joshua up on the cards. So if Ruiz would not have stopped him he would have gotten robbed.
AJ’s never going to reclaim his lofty status. He could be trained by the late Manny Steward and and Eddie Futch, he's still not going to suddenly start moving his head like Frazier, or improve his foot speed like Tyson nor is he going to stop lifting weight like he's Tony Atlas.
He is who he is.
An offensively exciting fighter with enough flaws that his next loss is always just one-punch away.
People say unless he has a heart and chin transplant, the paper tiger is done but he can learn to be ultra cautious. Kinda like Klitschko after he got stopped.
Another thing – AJ didn't quit.
To me his actions said “Just give me few seconds and I'll fight ”
He spat out his gum shield and then went to corner expecting a UK ref and a break and answered to referee 'Yeah, yeah' with hands on the ropes but he gave the ref terrible body language and it was game over.
But if AJ takes the rematch and get’s beat by Ruiz again ? Then he’ll be remembered similarly to Lucian Bute, who was also popular & undefeated until he left his own
backyard.
AJ has always entertained possibilities of a lost (in fact, he once said that he is confident that he would lose more than once in his career)
Objectively, few great fighters crumble as surprisingly as that. Joshua will need a sustained second coming to go down as a great fighter.
I also had a massive laugh at Laurel and Hardy (Eddie and Barry Hearn) They tried to get away with a line up of names fighting inept opponents, it back fired in a huge way!
- Queen Katie Taylor was clearly beaten but got the nod.
- Joshua Buatsi got the win against a old light faded opponent.
- The hype job Josh Kelly was cut badly over both eyes and didn't deserve the draw.
- Golden boy Callum Smith fought an ex sparring partner who had never once fought up at super middle weight.
- Tommy Coyle was hammered by a ordinary fighter in his prime that was way past his prime.
Finally AJ doesn't need a rematch now. It would ruin him. He needs to recuperate. He needs to accept the loss and start retooling.
Forget about who makes or has made the most money and get back to wanting to actually be better than everyone AND WANT to prove it.
He needs a new promoter, someone who cares more about him than conquering the boxing industry (and being such a cad at the same time).
In the right hands AJ will be fine. He is still one of the best.
Lot of sense there to be fair.
Whoa! Denilson?? The Comeback?? Wow... wait'll @walrus hears about THIS.
What up my man big D. Good to see your around. I thought you might be in jail. We just lost some diversity when our Jewish brother beanz left now with big D back we can hold high the flag of diversityQuote:
Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback
I'm not even gonna go there. I'm gonna stick to boxing topics only this time around.....pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhat up my man big D. Good to see your around. I thought you might be in jail. We just lost some diversity when our Jewish brother beanz left now with big D back we can hold high the flag of diversityQuote:
Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback
Good idea, I actually used to enjoy reading your boxing related posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denilson-The-ComebackI'm not even gonna go there. I'm gonna stick to boxing topics only this time around.....pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhat up my man big D. Good to see your around. I thought you might be in jail. We just lost some diversity when our Jewish brother beanz left now with big D back we can hold high the flag of diversityQuote:
Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback
But what has gone on with beanz? Not to derail the thread or anything.
So many things about the fight are puzzling. The odds on a win for RUIZ were ridiculous. Leon Spinks beating Ali was the last one that I won money on for the same reason. Joshua looked distant, uninterested and was systematically beaten up. If there was nothing wrong with him, I feel that he has a limited future in the sport. He was terrible from the start. If not, what was wrong with him? It is true that Ruiz was underestimated by everybody and good luck to him proving them wrong. However, I don't feel that he fought the real Joshua. The heavyweight scene has been over hyped. Too much time listening to biased promoters, too much bull, too many press conferences, too many orchestrated weigh ins, ridiculous face offs and slagging off each other. Am I the only one completely fed up hearing the name Eddie Hearn? I long to get back to genuine fighters/sportsmen doing their best without the desire to be dragged in front of cameras to sell the fight. The game has lost any dignity that it once had.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Intelligent observations. I am fed up hearing the name Eddie Hearn. Fed up with boring orchestrated weigh ins and press conferences. Joshua is a decent fighter but didn't show up and got beaten up. He could be finished on that performance. He needs to extract himself from the circus he is in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanGood idea, I actually used to enjoy reading your boxing related posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denilson-The-ComebackI'm not even gonna go there. I'm gonna stick to boxing topics only this time around.....pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhat up my man big D. Good to see your around. I thought you might be in jail. We just lost some diversity when our Jewish brother beanz left now with big D back we can hold high the flag of diversityQuote:
Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback
But what has gone on with beanz? Not to derail the thread or anything.
Looking at punchstats made this fight just a bit weirder.
AJ is given 47 out of 176 thrown.
They gave Ruiz credit for landing 56 out of 206.
Ruiz is given credit for landing 9 body punches, (5) power. How does that equate to panting AJ?:-\ Give or take a few that means had it gone the distance, AJ may have landed 100, but again, what caused him to appear so gassed out.
I'm not sure this fight can tell us anything. Wlad hit him harder than Ruiz IMO, so, too, did Povetkin. And AJ dropped him with a shot, that he can land again. One thing for sure is that he won't become some new fighter with an improved jab or fluid head movement.