Losses That Didn't Deter You

Paul Williams kept my respect after his first loss

Admired both Quintana & Williams when they fought, but was blown away at how Carlos didn't run, traded when he had to, got underneath shots and kinda schooled Paul Williams.

It seemed Williams was outed or exposed. For some reason his loss didn't come across as the end and proved it in the rematch, by just taking the fight to Carlos and blasted him up off his feet in the air to the canvas.

William questionable win over Martinez didn't phase me, I figured he was the bring it kind of guy who had certain styles that he couldn't overcome. Martinez was that guy who did to Paul, what Paul did to Carlos, rematch with an explosive KO.





As a kid, when I heard the next day that Ray Leonard lost the belt he just won to some guy named Duran who had been fighting since before I was born, I remember a lot of adults, couldn't wait for the rematch. it was as if tey didn't think Ray was exposed, rather he lost and could adjust next time out. And he did.
Ray lost his title in his 2nd defense, but went on to become one of the best fighters of his era. Some say an ATG.

Normally fighters that already have losses early in their career, and then lose you still have confidence that they will come back. Bernard Hopkins is a good example of that but fighters like Dennis Andries, Jonny Nelson, and Glenn Johnson.

Froch was another because he was in that competition and fresh to go through these wars.

Degale because it was early in his career.

My favourite was Mike McCallum, he said everyone deserted him after he lost to Kalambay. He came back even stronger.

With today's fans, I think Joe Louis losing to Max, would've brought out the naysayers and we told U so crowd. But Americans white and black back then had faith in the Brown Bomber.


I didn't want to give up on Calvin Brock or Maclom Tann, but they gave up on me. Well Brock did after losing just a 2nd fight to Chambers he just stopped boxing.

Whereas Tann tried to bounce back after losing to a novice in a guy name Jenkins. He had a string of wins that brought him to Arreola who beat him like a pinata. Dimentrenko did it next.

When I watched Zab's last fight, I shouldn't have been so suprised to see how many people were still rooting for him. Their Zab is my Chazz aka Chazz Witherspoon. Meeting him & hanging out with him, I just couldn't go against him & even though he still fighting ..back as undercards, I find myself still rooting for him out in the open. Past or not I still back him, but its not so much based on logic as it is personal.

Good topic. I guess you'd have to add Ali in there. After losing the biggest fight in history (at that time) to Joe Frazier, he wasn't deterred and came back to have one of the greatest heavyweight careers in boxing history, including two wins over Frazier.

Danny Garcia comes to mind

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Good topic. I guess you'd have to add Ali in there. After losing the biggest fight in history (at that time) to Joe Frazier, he wasn't deterred and came back to have one of the greatest heavyweight careers in boxing history, including two wins over Frazier.

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I wasn't around at the time but I think losing to Norton with that broken jaw would have made even his most ardent fans think Ali was coming to the end of his career but he went on and the rest is history.

Zelenoff's loss to kid thunder was a shock .

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Danny Garcia comes to mind

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Wooah blast from the past. Who are you :cool:. Good one, didn't like the tip toeing to 147 by Danny but remains Thurmans signature in battle of undefeated. Gotta put Porter right with him I spose.

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With today's fans, I think Joe Louis losing to Max, would've brought out the naysayers and we told U so crowd. But Americans white and black back then had faith in the Brown Bomber.


I didn't want to give up on Calvin Brock or Maclom Tann, but they gave up on me. Well Brock did after losing just a 2nd fight to Chambers he just stopped boxing.

Whereas Tann tried to bounce back after losing to a novice in a guy name Jenkins. He had a string of wins that brought him to Arreola who beat him like a pinata. Dimentrenko did it next.

When I watched Zab's last fight, I shouldn't have been so suprised to see how many people were still rooting for him. Their Zab is my Chazz aka Chazz Witherspoon. Meeting him & hanging out with him, I just couldn't go against him & even though he still fighting ..back as undercards, I find myself still rooting for him out in the open. Past or not I still back him, but its not so much based on logic as it is personal.

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Calvin Brock wasn't the flashiest guy out there but he was a good boxer. He got beat by the bigger better boxer in Wlad and hell Cal gave him some tough rounds too no shame in that. I think after that bout he was dinged up (that was a bitch of a KO...when you fall face first that's bad news) and he either didn't have the heart for boxing at that level or he just had a college degree and a good job and a hell of a payday and walked off into the sunset.

Malcom Tann...what a disappointment.



This is a really great question to ask on a thread because typically losses expose weaknesses whether by KO or decision, but sometimes a fighter unjustly loses or perhaps they overlook an opponent and the shit hits the fan.


Vitali's loss to Chris Byrd is a loss, and people really raked him over the coals for that one but an injury like that vs a very good heavyweight isn't an easy thing to shake off.

Chris Byrd's loss to Ibeabuchi was an impressive KO, but the dude showed a massive chin and great skill prior to that.

Bernard Hopkins' losses to Taylor weren't about skill so much as they were about age and making weight

Felix Sturm's "loss" to De la Hoya wasn't a loss....if anything he suffered because he looked so good in that fight. He never capitalized on his good showing though.

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Zelenoff's loss to kid thunder was a shock .

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I'm not on here much but have been here awhile and pretty sure one of the only ones that know what you are talking about.
I remember Charlie's first post as a kid being 'a monster for his weight.'

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Calvin Brock wasn't the flashiest guy out there but he was a good boxer. He got beat by the bigger better boxer in Wlad and hell Cal gave him some tough rounds too no shame in that. I think after that bout he was dinged up (that was a bitch of a KO...when you fall face first that's bad news) and he either didn't have the heart for boxing at that level or he just had a college degree and a good job and a hell of a payday and walked off into the sunset.

Malcom Tann...what a disappointment.



This is a really great question to ask on a thread because typically losses expose weaknesses whether by KO or decision, but sometimes a fighter unjustly loses or perhaps they overlook an opponent and the shit hits the fan.


Vitali's loss to Chris Byrd is a loss, and people really raked him over the coals for that one but an injury like that vs a very good heavyweight isn't an easy thing to shake off.

Chris Byrd's loss to Ibeabuchi was an impressive KO, but the dude showed a massive chin and great skill prior to that.

Bernard Hopkins' losses to Taylor weren't about skill so much as they were about age and making weight

Felix Sturm's "loss" to De la Hoya wasn't a loss....if anything he suffered because he looked so good in that fight. He never capitalized on his good showing though.

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Probably one of Wlad's best kos was Brock. Yikes, it was a doozie! & Sturm's decision loss had it been a win, then there's no DLH-Bhop. I agree no shame in that -predetermined loss.

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Zelenoff's loss to kid thunder was a shock .

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I'm not on here much but have been here awhile and pretty sure one of the only ones that know what you are talking about.
I remember Charlie's first post as a kid being 'a monster for his weight.'

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Yup! Have no clue, so i just Ubtubed Zelenoff & when I put kid thunder Hartley came up. PLEASE O PLEASE! Tell me this isn't the fight you're referring to.;D

I can't stop laughing at this. Has to rank for me top 5 funniest fights ever. Dude spit his mouthpiece in the 1st round 3 times!:lolololol:

Both guys are running track while throwing 3 stooges styled punches. Brockton would've replied bwahaahwahaaaaa!!!
And when that Zelenoff dude got his body knocked 1/2 way under one rope and over another ...at the same time?!:pointsnew: Is all I can say for Zelenoff.

https://youtu.be/9Wc_9_fjjnw

anybody got 5 minutes to laugh? This is stupidly funny.;D
Sorry no offense, but this vid made my night at work complete. I said DAMN!:lol:

Hot damn watched it again! His corner puts his mouthpiece in, he takes one step and spit it out again.

All the while Eye of the tiger is playing in the background in a friggin gymnasium. This is comedy gold at its finest!

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Zelenoff's loss to kid thunder was a shock .

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I'm not on here much but have been here awhile and pretty sure one of the only ones that know what you are talking about.
I remember Charlie's first post as a kid being 'a monster for his weight.'

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Yup! Have no clue, so i just Ubtubed Zelenoff & when I put kid thunder Hartley came up. PLEASE O PLEASE! Tell me this isn't the fight you're referring to.;D

I can't stop laughing at this. Has to rank for me top 5 funniest fights ever. Dude spit his mouthpiece in the 1st round 3 times!:lolololol:

Both guys are running track while throwing 3 stooges styled punches. Brockton would've replied bwahaahwahaaaaa!!!
And when that Zelenoff dude got his body knocked 1/2 way under one rope and over another ...at the same time?!:pointsnew: Is all I can say for Zelenoff.

https://youtu.be/9Wc_9_fjjnw

anybody got 5 minutes to laugh? This is stupidly funny.;D
Sorry no offense, but this vid made my night at work complete. I said DAMN!:lol:

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I believe there was a regular poster named Trainer Monkey who wanted train Kid Thunder. Guessing the Dark lord might remember.
This was years before Charlie got semi-famous on the youtube circuit challenging Wilder, Floyd senior etc. Quite an arsehole as they say in my neck of the woods but actually think he has mental issues. If he didn't he should have now after Wilder smacking him around. But he was just a delusional kid when he first started posting. It's gone to a new level at this point.

​Most recently, the most inconsequential loss for ages that nobody was bothered about at all .... was Vasyl Lomachenko losing narrowly to Orlando Salida.

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Hot damn watched it again! His corner puts his mouthpiece in, he takes one step and spit it out again.

All the while Eye of the tiger is playing in the background in a friggin gymnasium. This is comedy gold at its finest!

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@SlimTrae I feel as though I need to drop this vid on you..... good luck getting through it without hyperventilating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC62H2opk3U

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Hot damn watched it again! His corner puts his mouthpiece in, he takes one step and spit it out again.

All the while Eye of the tiger is playing in the background in a friggin gymnasium. This is comedy gold at its finest!

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@SlimTrae I feel as though I need to drop this vid on you..... good luck getting through it without hyperventilating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC62H2opk3U

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Must've been a blessing to have Merchant & Lewis commentating his fight!

Gassiev was outclassed by Usyk. I still hold faith he'll be a force at heavy

When Herol Graham lost to Sambu Kalambay I thought it was because he did not have Brendon Ingle in his corner.

The bomber then lost to a split point decision to the body snatcher when he was wrongly deducted a point for turning his opponent.

Then he got knocked out by a lucky punch by the hardest puncher in history Julian Jackson.

Then he gets robbed in Italy against Kalambay again even when he knocked him down twice. I stuck with Graham.

Surely he would become champion one day? :-\

I thought it was all over and he was old when he lost to a domestic opponent Frank Grant and the 3 British world champs were avoiding him.

Then Bomber Graham makes an amazing comeback beating an undefeated Canadian and Vinny Paz to take on Brewer. Graham knocks the champ down and was winning on points but gets stopped by a desperate and hopelessly outclassed champion.

Some losses that didn’t deter me:
Duran’s losses vs DeJesus, Leonard, and Hagler. I have to admit that I thought he was done after Hearns annihlated him, but that one also turned out to be insignificant.
GGG’s “loss” to Canelo.
BHop’s loss vs Roy and Joe C.
Whitaker’s “loss” vs Ramirez and Oscar.

Shit! It's taken me a page and a half...... but I finally got the gist of the thread. ;D



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Losses that didn't deter ME! I took it as losses that didn't deter...... oh, never mind. ;D


Ok. Well to begin with, Cotto's loss to Margacheato didn't deter me. I knew Cotto would bounce back from that. He even got some measure of payback, so there's that.

I'm sure there's more.......

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Some losses that didn’t deter me:
Duran’s losses vs DeJesus, Leonard, and Hagler. I have to admit that I thought he was done after Hearns annihlated him, but that one also turned out to be insignificant.
GGG’s “loss” to Canelo.
BHop’s loss vs Roy and Joe C.
Whitaker’s “loss” vs Ramirez and Oscar.

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With you on Hopkins and definitely Jones fight was one you knew he would grow from. On the flip side his loss and the way he just assumed everything with Taylor I really ticked me off. Credit to Taylor for sure, but was pretty frustrating watching Hopkins come on late repeatedly rattling Taylor and getting him in trouble but ol Bernard was watching his work way too much for me.

I'll throw in Benn. Hard to live down gassing out and down on a jab but it might have been one of the best things to happen to him. Brought him over to the States to retool and really set him up for some new fan exposure. Wasn't able to see it live but Azumah Nelson early loss to Sanchez saw respect for him only grow more.

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Some losses that didn’t deter me:
Duran’s losses I have to admit that I thought he was done after Hearns annihlated him, but that one also turned out to be insignificant.
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Wow, the best example by far. KTFO face first is the worst. Yet he went on.

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Some losses that didn’t deter me:
Duran’s losses I have to admit that I thought he was done after Hearns annihlated him, but that one also turned out to be insignificant.
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Wow, the best example by far. KTFO face first is the worst. Yet he went on.

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Duran quit against Leonard which was just as bad. Any normal boxer would never get another big match again but he rightly did because he was a legend.

Julian Jackson's second round KO loss to Mike McCallum .
Mike McCallum's points loss to Sambu Kalambay.
Iran Barkley's points loss to Sambu Kalambay.
Barry Michael's points loss to Najib Daho.

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Danny Garcia comes to mind

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Wooah blast from the past. Who are you :cool:. Good one, didn't like the tip toeing to 147 by Danny but remains Thurmans signature in battle of undefeated. Gotta put Porter right with him I spose.

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Man I got who are you’d?? 😂😁

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Danny Garcia comes to mind

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Wooah blast from the past. Who are you :cool:. Good one, didn't like the tip toeing to 147 by Danny but remains Thurmans signature in battle of undefeated. Gotta put Porter right with him I spose.

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Man I got who are you’d?? 😂😁

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Yeh ya did ;D. Good to see ya around bud.

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Winky Wright probably one of the more traveled and consistent American fighters early on. Goes in early career hard nose with buzz saw JC Vasquez getting off the deck 3 legit times for close loss then goes on to prove an underrated great. Bones Adams fighting through until pulled with a broken jaw at 18 yrs old v Orlando Canizales.

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​Most recently, the most inconsequential loss for ages that nobody was bothered about at all .... was Vasyl Lomachenko losing narrowly to Orlando Salida.

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Not Loma’s Best fight but it’s the one I think of when I think about his greatness. You can always see his talent but this fight showed he has will to go along with that talent. One way traffic proves nothing, how do you fight when in a “fight”. Loma fights

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​Most recently, the most inconsequential loss for ages that nobody was bothered about at all .... was Vasyl Lomachenko losing narrowly to Orlando Salida.

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how do you fight when in a “fight”. Loma fights

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A dog walks into a post office to send a telegram; so the clerk says “what would you like it to say?” And so the dog goes, “woof woof woof, woof woof woof, woof woof woof”. And the person says “alright, well I see you have nine words there, and we actually charge per 10, so if you'd like to add another it wouldnt cost you anything”. Then the dog says “nah, then it wouldnt make any sense”.

jose zepeda, blew his shoulder against turbo flanagan and then got a raw deal against ramirez. i'm not deterred by these loses. i think zepeda is an underappreciated fighter who has been unlucky but is brilliant all the same

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​Most recently, the most inconsequential loss for ages that nobody was bothered about at all .... was Vasyl Lomachenko losing narrowly to Orlando Salida.

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how do you fight when in a “fight”. Loma fights

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A dog walks into a post office to send a telegram; so the clerk says “what would you like it to say?” And so the dog goes, “woof woof woof, woof woof woof, woof woof woof”. And the person says “alright, well I see you have nine words there, and we actually charge per 10, so if you'd like to add another it wouldnt cost you anything”. Then the dog says “nah, then it wouldnt make any sense”.

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Hmmm, feels like an insult but then that is clearly the smartest dog in all of dog history, and by a wide margin. So I’ll chalk it up as a compliment. That you good sir

Sean Porter loss to Spence- Showtime brings it. Not always technical, but he makes his foe earn their wins. I expect him to beat a few more top tier fighters.

Lomachenko loss was a setback not an expose. I wouldn't be surprised if Lopez loses in his next couple of fights & Loma wins his next few.



Derek Chisora loss to Usyk. Just can't count this guy out yet. Another rough houser that makes his foes earn their victories. Any contender trying to use him as a journeyman better be on thei A game, Or else the GateKeeper will deny them!