The Earth are we killing it ! the waste we produce climate change etc.
In a modern throw away society are we frankly just wastefully using our natural resources to a point of no return.?
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The Earth are we killing it ! the waste we produce climate change etc.
In a modern throw away society are we frankly just wastefully using our natural resources to a point of no return.?
You seen "Before The Flood" - Leonardo DiCaprios climate change movie?
https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch...he-flood-2016/
No I have not .Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
We are consuming more than our plant can sustain .!
@Lyle, Walrus, Miles, Brock, Alpha - educate these "media led saps".Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
No disrespect but you haven't got long left, why do you care about saving all the muslims and gays? They're going to flourish whilst you (and me) rot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Lol šQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo disrespect but you haven't got long left, why do you care about saving all the muslims and gays? They're going to flourish whilst you (and me) rot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
First off that's not the way to @ me to get my attention Fenster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster@Lyle, Walrus, Miles, Brock, Alpha - educate these "media led saps".Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Secondly I'm not likely going to be lectured on the climate and what society must give up by someone who lives like DiCaprio does or Al Gore. It's like being lectured on the benefits of Socialism by Tom Morrello, Bernie Sanders, or Billy Bragg...yeah I'm sure it's a beautiful thing (like everything else) when you have enough money for it.
I've got a smaller carbon footprint than any of those guys even if you factor in their indulgences I mean "Carbon Offsets" :rolleyes: . I hunt, I garden, I have chickens for eggs, I use everything I can either to eat, feed my birds or pets, or feed my plants. I've also got a house that is probably the size of a garage Leo has in one of his many many MANY houses.
So yeah I'm doing my part....oh and I don't litter either, I don't even leave shell casings behind ;)
I like that Lyle you hunt and grow your own veg mate.š
I'd like to not have to go to the grocery store ever again for meat or veggies that I can grow. Haven't had to buy eggs in a while now and chickens are very similar to goats in that they'll eat anything. They eat ticks which is lovely as well, couldn't mow the yard last year without having a tick or two on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Being brought up on a farm in the 60s playing out in the fields dirty eating good food.
No pressure what ever just being kids nothing to aspire too no internet no social media.
Life was so simple then shit was that such a bad thing .
I'm not going to become a Luddite, but I am going to limit screentime like a motherfucker as far as the little one is concerned. I was limited in my tv/video game time as a child, probably could have been more so. Most of my childhood before my teens was going outside to play or ride bikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I've added in the garden for a specific reason as well. As early as possible I'd like to get the little one to "help the family" by having little chores like feeding animals, picking vegetables, washing vegetables, etc. I figure the more responsibility they can shoulder at a young age (no pressure mind you, I'm not sending the tyke to a salt mine or anything) then some of life's lessons start sinking in earlier than what other children get. These are also activities we get to do together away from distraction which will be nice. Working together to achieve a common goal builds cohesion and teamwork which is of course brilliant for families to have. You establish trust, work on your communication skills (that's a big one right there), and you figure out what roles you can play within a group. You'll also run across conflict resolution and those skills are beneficial in life as well.
but anywho, yes nature is extremely important and it is a damn shame more people are not better stewards of the environment but at the same time the Paris Accords were absolute crap as they were unenforceable and regardless of what other nations do China and India on their own will shit out enough garbage to compensate for everyone else attempting to be tidy. If China was held to the same standard as the United States then maybe we can talk otherwise it's just feel good legislation that hurts business and does fuck all for the environment....oh it'll line some pockets of certain well connected former politicians and big CEO's but the little guys, nah they won't be able to compete.
China and India are two of the worst country's for polluting there inviroment chemicals pumped into rivers vast amounts of air pollutants etc.
They are industrial giants but very poor standards in basically cleaning there emissions.
Basically there are GB and the USA in the 50s
we cleaned up our act but producing cheap steel plastic etc comes at a price.!
When mother earth is ready, she can flick us off her like a flee collar to a cat. We will sooner destroy each other before we destroy a close to indestructible object; a friggin planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Only time will end this floating ball. Myself I look at climate change from the perspectie that if we treat mother earth right, she will treat us right. If we don't? We go the way of all previous said ruling nations.:-\
I don't think it is overly complicated and I repeat the same thing again and again. The human population is expanding far too quickly and thus more and more resources are consumed, more and more waste produced, and the oceans increasingly turn to fragile baths of death. Nothing is infinite and my views on this issue are not aligned with Peterson, but with David Attenborough, in that I think the best way to help the planet is to be self disciplined, have self responsibility and to consider your impact and that impact comes from not increasing the population so dramatically. Incremental change can be managed, but seismic change cannot. On a personal level, I will drive and listen to Springsteen all I like as it is far less destructive than single Mum with 3 kids with 3 different Dad's which will then multiply ten fold in a couple of decades. I have no guilt as Thunder Road cranks up and the AC flows. Yep, a touch hypocritical but I gotta go to work unlike single single Mum with 3 different kids with 3 different Dad's!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster@Lyle, Walrus, Miles, Brock, Alpha - educate these "media led saps".Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
In truth I don't actually drive that much, so I guess I do show some responsibility. You don't want to be running your car down and having to fill up constantly.
Well at least you can hold your head high knowing you're a superior human to those all-powerful, wretched single mothers, miles. La de da de da da de da....
Well, I wouldn't say superior, but certainly more responsible. And don't forget the runaway Dad's. Them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Can you explain to your Saddo friends why they've bought a lie, bullshit, nonsense about climate change? Man-made global warming is nonsense, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFirst off that's not the way to @ me to get my attention Fenster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster@Lyle, Walrus, Miles, Brock, Alpha - educate these "media led saps".Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Secondly I'm not likely going to be lectured on the climate and what society must give up by someone who lives like DiCaprio does or Al Gore. It's like being lectured on the benefits of Socialism by Tom Morrello, Bernie Sanders, or Billy Bragg...yeah I'm sure it's a beautiful thing (like everything else) when you have enough money for it.
I've got a smaller carbon footprint than any of those guys even if you factor in their indulgences I mean "Carbon Offsets" :rolleyes: . I hunt, I garden, I have chickens for eggs, I use everything I can either to eat, feed my birds or pets, or feed my plants. I've also got a house that is probably the size of a garage Leo has in one of his many many MANY houses.
So yeah I'm doing my part....oh and I don't litter either, I don't even leave shell casings behind ;)
I think Attenborough raises a lot of very pertinent points there. It is kind of taboo to talk about it, but if we are going to discuss climate change we have to be honest and say 'This is clearly a very important part of it' meaning population expansionism. It makes no sense for the biggest energy consumers to have open borders either as it only leads to yet more environmental problems. For me it isn't so much climate change, but general environmental degradation. You see it here too and the population isn't increasing. It is because coal is burned and China's emissions that keep the West supplied with over packaged junk blows over too. It is toxic and some days you cannot go outside. Like with immigration there needs to be a curb in order to stop and evaluate what the heck to do. It is not a game. I might not be interested in over populating the planet, but I do want a sustainable future, so that 2,000 years from now people will still be listening to Morrissey and reading Wilde.
Six Solid points and counting.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Jesus.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMrtLsQbaok
Had to be said and loved the stare down against Trump who ran away to another conference.
She does seem very weird. "Me? Angry?" She snarls with face all mangled up. Apparently she has several mental issues and I think it is improper to be encouraging her wild imagination. The issue with global warming is it is being used as emotional blackmail like this and frankly why on earth should anyone be listening to a 16 year old? You don't threaten people to get what you want unless you are Hitler either. Seems to be stage managed and pushed by the agenda makers.
What is "WE" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
It's white people who have destroyed this planet for the most part.
But I guess you can't connect the dots between global warming and racism?
The water is messed up (only a small % is drinkable on the entire earth) thanks to what people ?
The air is messed up, thanks to what people ?
The earth is messed up, thanks to what people ?
Now they are raising hell about the dangers of all the space junk up there...thanks to what people ?
This is now critical because everybody needs air, water and land in order to survive and it is white people that have done this.
And even with climate change, white privilege STILL rings true because blk ppl are more likely to live in congested communities that experience the most smog and toxic concentration thanks to fossil fuel use. Heat waves connected to climate change kill blk people more.
The agriculture is fked up and disruptions are everywhere due to warming (caused disproportionately by the white west) and this cost African nations billions annually and this true even as the contribution to fossil fuel emissions by black people is WAY lower than below whites.
But now you guys do this āthe world is endingā sh*t and unless emissions are brought under control global warming will eventually kill millions. Fact is, warming is killing a lot of people now, and most of them are black.
If you want to build a global movement, you must connect the dots between planetary destruction and the real lives being destroyed currently, which are disproportionately blk ppl.
You name the problem, the disease, the human suffering, or the abject misery visited upon millions, and I know I can put a white face on it in a minute.
What a grubby little man you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Thank you, Greta 30 years of the future. Bwahaha! If the world hasn't ended or been saved by school bunkers, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat a grubby little man you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
She needs to get back to school and get some counselling.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-...id=mailsignout
"A Fox News guest called Greta Thunberg āmentally ill.ā The network apologized for the ādisgracefulā comment."
Your argument loses all credence when you start attacking a 16 yr old for things outside of her control. She has achieved far more in two years than you have in 30 odd. On Friday literally millions of children and adults all over the planet took to the streets because of what you so dismissively refer to as 'School Bunking'. There were not millions doing so two years ago. I guarantee that you yourself would never have the bottle to cross the Atlantic under sail power alone or the single mindedness and determination to go against the tide and refuse to take part in the charade of pretending everything is going to be alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThank you, Greta 30 years of the future. Bwahaha! If the world hasn't ended or been saved by school bunkers, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat a grubby little man you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
She needs to get back to school and get some counselling.
I found her to be far more composed and eloquent than many so called 'normal' adults twice her age when I talked to her, and she most certainly was not 'stage managed'. I really don't understand the hostility from grown men like yourself comparing her to Hitler when you are so quick to assume everyone on the left are imagining cold , heartless, eugenics believing fascists of the kind that you embody when you make posts like this.
Yes, Greta darling. I can picture your rolled up 11 year old face as you typed that. She is you with a pony tail. She hasn't even completed school and has decided she is the savior and is threatening people to change or else. It isn't how you operate but she reminds me so much of you with how she says it. She will look daft when she hits 36. Like you with your Nazi thing at 50. Bwahaha!
Not just grubby. You are also decidedly odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Of course. Have you finished staring down Lyle/Trump yet, Greta? That eye contact is terrifying! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNot just grubby. You are also decidedly odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Greta Thunbergs words-
Recently Iāve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general.
So let me make some things clear about my school strike.
In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo ThorƩn from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.
I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.
I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didnāt participate in any more meetings.
When I told my parents about my plans they werenāt very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.
On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.
Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ābehind meā or that Iām being āpaidā or āusedā to do what Iām doing. But there is no one ābehindā me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.
I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.
And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.
Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.
My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses.
That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead.
Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book āScener ur hjƤrtatā will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights.
And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I donāt spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.
Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, itās a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldnāt possibly have put myself in this position. But thatās exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been ānormalā and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things - like just sitting down outside the parliament - speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.
Also there is one complaint that I āsound and write like an adultā. And to that I can only say; donāt you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? Thereās also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that "the climate crisis is a black and white issueā, āwe need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gasesā and āI want you to panicā. But that I only say because itās true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and itās going to take everything from our part to āstop itā. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.
Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we donāt. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we donāt. Either we go on as a civilization, or we donāt. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.
And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you donāt sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.
There is one other argument that I canāt do anything about. And that is the fact that Iām ājust a child and we shouldnāt be listening to children.ā But that is easily fixed - just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to - then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.
I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, Iām too young to do this. We children shouldnāt have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.
And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( https://www.ted.com/talks/greta_thun...limate/up-next ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began.
And thank you everyone for you kind support! It brings me hope.
/Greta
Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation āWe donāt have timeā. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to āWe donāt have timeā. Nor has anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised and I have accepted their apology.
Yes, lovely stuff Greta. Now, what do you have to say about global population expansionism? And you don't come across like an adult. In fact your cry baby speech came across as extremely childish and Beanz like. In fact it came across like a very contrived performance. You cannot claim to work with NGO's and then claim to be independent. You admit yourself that you were recruited and as a child have now been projected in a very calculated fashion. Almost the Taylor Swift of the lefty end of the world brigade. The marketing is fantastic! Either you are independent or you are not and you are contradicting yourself a bit there.
There have been many predictions of environmental catastrophe from heating to cooling and they have all turned out to be false. And at the end of the day how have you in any way suffered from global warming in your day to day life? You simply haven't. People are struggling around the world because they are having far too many children in areas that have been hit by war or else are not suitable for maintaining large populations. Most people are living within their means and in some sensible countries populations are stable or falling. That is surely a sensible thing considering the coming 4th industrial revolution and impending mass unemployment.
There are gray areas. A lot of gray areas. In this sense your black and white thinking is letting you down and you have become a teenage ideologue which is a tragic and dangerous path. You will be cast aside when your moment is over and you will have to live in the real world like a real person and you haven't yet grown. Don't push yourself into this do or die corner when the world really isn't so dramatic, black or white, or dark. Don't get to 50 and be fighting Nazi's. You are young and have time to grow. Good luck Greta!
You haven't done shit mate. Nothing. You just hate it not being about you. You are grubby because you think there is some kind of virtue in taking the piss out of autism or attacking a 16 year old girl for not being an adult yet.
You want a pat on the back for slagging off single mothers and then another pat on the back for slagging off a young person actually doing something incredibly brave and productive with her life.
LOL. I haven't done anything? Unlike your father I haven't bred half a dozen plus children in carbon intensive countries and had them multiply across the continent. I have done far more for the environment than you just by being me, Greta. Your family tree is a fucking forest spread all over the Europe you love so dearly. What have you done? Recycled just for them to burn it all anyway? How much energy have you now consumed as a 'Grandfather' with children having yet more children? And I do nothing.....the hypocrisy. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
When Greta has actually got a job and paid taxes for a couple of years, maybe I will concede that she has done something. What I do is more than mince around taking pictures of incredibly shit covers bands. She is the Taylor Swift of your world. She has no perspective and is very much like you and rather than that being an advantage, her thinking is actually hindering her. She seems incredibly unhappy and distorted and it is very black and white thinking. It is that cult thing that always claim to rail against, but have never escaped.
You also have this weird thing which you call "Living in the real world like a real person".
You live alone in a flat where you admit going out and working halfdays and the spending the rest of the time reading books and going out once a month for a coffee.
You are the second most prolific poster here after the other bloke who like you, ran away.
If anyone is not living in the real world, then it is you. Not a 16 Yr old who has just sailed across the Atlantic and has just addressed the world and inspired.. Millions.. Of people to put boots on the ground.
We all live in the real world. Every poster here.. All with our own, jobs, families, Challenges, Social lives, goals to aim towards and obstacles to overcome. Except perhaps you, with your very sheltered hermit like existence hiding away from the world in your little apartment in South Korea. It explains where all that butthurt bitterness comes from.
Oh, so now it comes down to the purely nasty stuff? Hmm. Do I not have jobs, family, challenges, social life, goals? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Hmm, I think I actually have all of those things like anyone else. This is where you sound exactly like Greta which would explain why raise the children of other men and things like this. As someone said "Can you imagine one day marrying her?" I laughed thinking of you, but of course you are not even married. You are such a loser. ;D
And Lyle ran away? Hmm, I think you hounded him away which is another to your tally, you lovely, lovely man down there in Plymouth clicking a button whenever somebody can't be bothered filming or pressing their own buttons. Get a real job and actually make a difference yourself.
Purely nasty stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfOh, so now it comes down to the purely nasty stuff? Hmm. Do I not have jobs, family, challenges, social life, goals? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Hmm, I think I actually have all of those things like anyone else. This is where you sound exactly like Greta which would explain why raise the children of other men and things like this. As someone said "Can you imagine one day marrying her?" I laughed thinking of you, but of course you are not even married. You are such a loser. ;D
And Lyle ran away? Hmm, I think you hounded him away which is another to your tally, you lovely, lovely man down there in Plymouth clicking a button whenever somebody can't be bothered filming or pressing their own buttons. Get a real job and actually make a difference yourself.
Go back and read what YOU have posted.