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I do not know what to make of it. It is very impressive for Canelo to move up 2 weights and fight Kov who is still a force in the division but he has more enticing fights at the lower weights.
I guess this is what happens when you become a franchise champion.
I just don’t see Canelo being able to win. Kovalev is just too big and hits way too hard. If Canelo beat Kovalev though, that would be huge.
Even after Kov has been stopped twice?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
If Canelo goes up to 175 and beats Kovalev fair and square (no shady Mexican Mafia decisions)......... I'll be the first to give Canelo all the cred........ all the cre...... all the cr...... all the.......
Damn! This is tougher than I thought.
Kovalev has the power but Canelo has the speed. There is a way he can win on point. by darting in and out landing cobos. tie up Kov when he gets inside. Movement and speed are on his side. the only problem is Canelo is a warrior. That's the only thing that may cost him. If he wants to stand and fight.
Chasing fighters on the slide when you walk into the ring now weighing over the class limit anyway. Sorry i'm done with the smoke and mirrors crap. I give him credit for improving himself as a fighter and appreciate his skills but this is the exact kind of free floating, do whatever I want, cherry pick now/ marinate till later selfishness that has turned the sport into a circus. The sanctioning bodies in his back pocket are just scavengers at this point enabling this crap to continue and further erode the foundations of the sport. It's used as a fluff into inflate the subscription pricing plans for shoddy technology filled streams after the boxing fans got wise again. First we saw that the ppv fights being pushed were not worth the money so we stopped buying and they inflated numbers to convince us we were missing out when x amount of people saw it live for 75 bucks a pop here in the states so we'd buy the next. Then they just try to include it in the subscription and front load it with tune ups and meaningless fights and back load it with big fights that are mismatches or close decision robberies so disgruntled fans come back and pay, then hope for justice in rematches. I'm still a fan of the science but the sport has just become a scam full of hype men trying to write stories instead of fostering competition that naturally unfolds the drama surrounding victory, defeat, redemption, sacrifice and righteousness of the warrior spirit.
When I ask myself if I can trust any of those things in the way these matches are made and fights unfold. The answer is "very little". Was it a great win or was it a case of someone being under prepared, over hyped, skipping a rehydration weigh in, someone not having fought in a year and a half, someone coming up 2 weight classes for big money, juicing, looking to cash out? Cutting corners and convincing us were getting a quality product is something all companies used to do after they made their first million, and many sports fell victim to juicing etc. There was always a purity to the concept of 2 warriors deciding their fate against one another and while it didn't always turn out that way (biting, loaded wraps, tainted meat etc), but even if we couldn't believe the outcomes, we didn't feel bent over on the set ups as much.
If Canelo stands and fights I'm afraid his Franchise will go the way of Blockbuster.
I am definitely not a fan of Canelo or his promoter and these products of the press(Golden Boys) get away with murder in negotiating catchweights and Floyd did the same thing and I am not a member of their fan clubs. Canelo always drags it out and fights someone who is slipping in age and ability. There are definitely other fighters toady in title positions that will rearrange his face. Cherry picking is the name of the game and if Kov can be inspired then Canelo's position becomes expired because until now if anyone has noticed he 's been the bigger boy in some cases. Floyd had too much talent for Canelo but Kov if he goes in throwing straight punches will blow out Canelo's candle.
I have no problem at all with the fight, unless its at 170 or something silly which would make Kovalevs entire preparation about desperately cutting weight, and of course this isnt an unlikely scenario. If Canelo takes him on at 175? Why the hell not, lets see it. For all the talk of these guys Canelo should be fighting at 160, none of them are fighting each other or looking the part. Half the people who knock this will also say they have no interest in a 3rd GGG fight, so.... what, then.
Personally I'd hate to see Kovalev go that way rather than the tempting and much needed unification showdowns v a Bivol, Beterbiev or Gvozdyk. In any order these are solid fights. Especially after Kovalev has done a pretty fine job at fighting his way back into relevance and remains a solid complete fighter imo. The division feels like a full party underway and Canelo would be the little rich kid waltzing in complaining that the music is too loud. But it is Canelo and his golden purse strings in tow so I won't knock Kovalev jumping at the lottery as well as knowing he stands a respectable chance in his own mind. Really when it comes to well rounded boxers with top notch sticks I'd have to put him up there with in top 4'ish best Canelo has faced. And he punches like a mule. Not thrilled if it happens..frankly plenty of business for Canelo at 160 or 168..you wanna go up, go get some Benavidez, and plenty of business at 175 for Kovalev. This would just be a trinket grab for sake of "history" over a guy many consider on the slide.
I think that’s a good way of putting it. Not that it’s a bad fight but both have a ton of people at their own weight class to take care of. I guess it’s kind of like the Spence vs Garcia match. Both great fighters but fighting each other wasn’t the best decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yes. Canelo is no Ward and he got careless against Alvarez in their first fight. He wouldn’t do that against Canelo. He would box and stay out of range.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterEven after Kov has been stopped twice?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I think Canelo will cherry pick Munguia, if he doesn’t GGG probably will since Munguia is so ripe for the taking.
You think that Munguia has proved himself enough of a fraud to cash out already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
golden boy putting in a lowball offer so we can't be sure how serious they are. they must think they are catching kovalev at the right time. canelo does good body work and we have seen kovalev to the body before so the fight does hold some interesting aspects
I mean, he is only 22 so of course he could turn it around. But Dennis frickin Hogan just gave him a boxing lesson. If Munguia is going to be a good fighter he needs to fix, well, everything. If I’m Munguia and I can get a payday I take it. DAZN wants one of them to fight him. And both have a history of choosing these types of wastes of time. The general public will see his shiny record and think he’s a worthy opponent.(remember the Kirkland sham) It’s exactly the type of scam the sport has been running.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou think that Munguia has proved himself enough of a fraud to cash out already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The problem is that I don’t think Munguia will come back from the beating he would take. It all depends on how much more money he can make his promoters and his team. His last fight may have really shown that he just doesn’t have it. We will se though. On paper it looks like an exciting fight, but as you said, it will just end up being the Kirkland fight all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI mean, he is only 22 so of course he could turn it around. But Dennis frickin Hogan just gave him a boxing lesson. If Munguia is going to be a good fighter he needs to fix, well, everything. If I’m Munguia and I can get a payday I take it. DAZN wants one of them to fight him. And both have a history of choosing these types of wastes of time. The general public will see his shiny record and think he’s a worthy opponent.(remember the Kirkland sham) It’s exactly the type of scam the sport has been running.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYou think that Munguia has proved himself enough of a fraud to cash out already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
canelo will get ko don't see this fight happening
an andrade fight would unify all 4 belts
No, Charlo is the WBC champion. Canelo was stripped for not fighting his mandatory. The Franchise Champion nonsense is just a title, not a championship. You know this because it’s been expressed that it does not change hands if Canelo loses.
An Andrade fight is NOT for undisputed
No one mentioned undisputed holmes :zzwhip: 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block :dJ:unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other :-\ still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt :-X I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III :D don't give af bout no belts :pimp2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
TIC mentioned “unify all 4 belts” which it would not. The Franchise Champion is a title, not a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonNo one mentioned undisputed holmes :zzwhip: 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block :dJ:unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other :-\ still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt :-X I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III :D don't give af bout no belts :pimp2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
All this jumping around is messing up the sport. Talk of Spence/Canelo, Spence has work to do at 47. Talk of Kovalev/Canelo, Kovalev has work for his racist arse at 175. Talk of Smith/Canelo, Smith has work to do at 168. GGG should move the f on, he’s already wasted years on Canelo
So no mention of undisputed then brother :confused::confused: if someone beats Canelo they would receive a diamond belts as I understand it :-\ way I see it my man is that if Canelo won an Andrade fight you can bet your sista that they being the WBC would 4sure be ballyhooing him as a 4 belt unified champion :rolleyes: let me guess you want Canelo to fight Charlo, why would he :confused: when he can have all the trimmings that come with an Andrade fight ;) Andrade is a harder fight than Charlo brother :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonTIC mentioned “unify all 4 belts” which it would not. The Franchise Champion is a title, not a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonNo one mentioned undisputed holmes :zzwhip: 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block :dJ:unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other :-\ still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt :-X I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III :D don't give af bout no belts :pimp2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
All this jumping around is messing up the sport. Talk of Spence/Canelo, Spence has work to do at 47. Talk of Kovalev/Canelo, Kovalev has work for his racist arse at 175. Talk of Smith/Canelo, Smith has work to do at 168. GGG should move the f on, he’s already wasted years on Canelo
Andrade dumped his belt when it was time to fight Charlo, became Charlo’s belt because Andrade gave it up rather than fight him. GGG’s camp said “we will never fight Charlo”when he became mandatory. Perhaps the only time they were true to their word. Canelo gave up his belt rather than fight Charlo, became Charlo’s belt because Canelo gave it up rather than fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonSo no mention of undisputed then brother :confused::confused: if someone beats Canelo they would receive a diamond belts as I understand it :-\ way I see it my man is that if Canelo won an Andrade fight you can bet your sista that they being the WBC would 4sure be ballyhooing him as a 4 belt unified champion :rolleyes: let me guess you want Canelo to fight Charlo, why would he :confused: when he can have all the trimmings that come with an Andrade fight ;) Andrade is a harder fight than Charlo brother :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonTIC mentioned “unify all 4 belts” which it would not. The Franchise Champion is a title, not a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonNo one mentioned undisputed holmes :zzwhip: 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block :dJ:unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other :-\ still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt :-X I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III :D don't give af bout no belts :pimp2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
All this jumping around is messing up the sport. Talk of Spence/Canelo, Spence has work to do at 47. Talk of Kovalev/Canelo, Kovalev has work for his racist arse at 175. Talk of Smith/Canelo, Smith has work to do at 168. GGG should move the f on, he’s already wasted years on Canelo
I don’t think Charlo is that good, but the evidence is quite clear that fighters think he is.
It will be funny watching Andrade pull a Thurman to get to the top. Duck, dodge and swerve your way to the big fight. Modern boxing
No ones saying Andrade has had a well managed career ;) you could also say Saunders roided himself to avoid Andrade or that both Charlo's were unreachable when VADA came calling :-X you could also say the Korobov should now be the WBC belt holder :-X but no ones avoiding him right :confused: so you want Canelo to fight someone who isn't that good :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonAndrade dumped his belt when it was time to fight Charlo, became Charlo’s belt because Andrade gave it up rather than fight him. GGG’s camp said “we will never fight Charlo”, Canelo gave up his belt rather than fight Charlo.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonSo no mention of undisputed then brother :confused::confused: if someone beats Canelo they would receive a diamond belts as I understand it :-\ way I see it my man is that if Canelo won an Andrade fight you can bet your sista that they being the WBC would 4sure be ballyhooing him as a 4 belt unified champion :rolleyes: let me guess you want Canelo to fight Charlo, why would he :confused: when he can have all the trimmings that come with an Andrade fight ;) Andrade is a harder fight than Charlo brother :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonTIC mentioned “unify all 4 belts” which it would not. The Franchise Champion is a title, not a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonNo one mentioned undisputed holmes :zzwhip: 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block :dJ:unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other :-\ still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt :-X I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III :D don't give af bout no belts :pimp2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
All this jumping around is messing up the sport. Talk of Spence/Canelo, Spence has work to do at 47. Talk of Kovalev/Canelo, Kovalev has work for his racist arse at 175. Talk of Smith/Canelo, Smith has work to do at 168. GGG should move the f on, he’s already wasted years on Canelo
I don’t think Charlo is that good, but the evidence is quite clear that fighters think he is.
It will be funny watching Andrade pull a Thurman to get to the top. Duck, dodge and swerve your way to the big fight. Modern boxing
Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonNo ones saying Andrade has had a well managed career ;) you could also say Saunders roided himself to avoid Andrade or that both Charlo's were unreachable when VADA came calling :-X you could also say the Korobov should now be the WBC belt holder :-X but no ones avoiding him right :confused: so you want Canelo to fight someone who isn't that good :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonAndrade dumped his belt when it was time to fight Charlo, became Charlo’s belt because Andrade gave it up rather than fight him. GGG’s camp said “we will never fight Charlo”, Canelo gave up his belt rather than fight Charlo.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonSo no mention of undisputed then brother :confused::confused: if someone beats Canelo they would receive a diamond belts as I understand it :-\ way I see it my man is that if Canelo won an Andrade fight you can bet your sista that they being the WBC would 4sure be ballyhooing him as a 4 belt unified champion :rolleyes: let me guess you want Canelo to fight Charlo, why would he :confused: when he can have all the trimmings that come with an Andrade fight ;) Andrade is a harder fight than Charlo brother :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonTIC mentioned “unify all 4 belts” which it would not. The Franchise Champion is a title, not a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonNo one mentioned undisputed holmes :zzwhip: 3 belts + a diamond beats 2 everyday on my block :dJ:unless you're suggesting Charlo, Andrade and Brant should just concentrate on each other :-\ still got ta go through Canelo for Brants big brother belt :-X I want to see Canelo fight Smith up 1 or GGG III :D don't give af bout no belts :pimp2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
All this jumping around is messing up the sport. Talk of Spence/Canelo, Spence has work to do at 47. Talk of Kovalev/Canelo, Kovalev has work for his racist arse at 175. Talk of Smith/Canelo, Smith has work to do at 168. GGG should move the f on, he’s already wasted years on Canelo
I don’t think Charlo is that good, but the evidence is quite clear that fighters think he is.
It will be funny watching Andrade pull a Thurman to get to the top. Duck, dodge and swerve your way to the big fight. Modern boxing
No, I said I don’t think Charlo is that good, we don’t know because people won’t fight him. I’d like to know if I’m wrong. They’d rather give up their belts. I’m saying all this jumping around doesn’t decide who is the best. They should decide who’s best in divisions by fighting the people in their divisions and if it’s decided move on. I have no issue with Usyk moving up, he proved he was the best in his division. I have no issue with Crawford going to 47, he proved he was the best at 40. I get fighters want to make money, but fans should want to know who’s best.
We currently have a number 1 P4P who is in his 3rd division without fighting the top guy in any of his divisions. How can we really know if he is the best? We don’t just decide who is best in other sports, the people compete to decide. It looked like AJ was best, but then he got into a situation that wasn’t one way traffic and he came apart.
The Korobov thing I don’t quite understand. He trained at our gym so we were biased for him. While we were all proud of his performance nobody here said he won. Made it really close but he faded. Tip of the cap but an L.
If you like guys jumping all over selecting whoever they want to fight that’s cool, that’s your thing. I want to know who’s best.
I should clarify. I don’t have any problem with Canelo/Andrade, GGG/Andrade. I just think the other should fight Charlo. He’s due, in fact more due than Andrade since Andrade dumped his belt to not fight Charlo and Canelo dumped his belt to not fight Charlo, and GGG didn’t fight his mandatory for 18 months to not fight Charlo.
I thought Korobov won, other than that I think we're in agreement. I don't like all the weight hopping either unless it's against top guys ;) everyone near the weight wants Canelo for obvious reasons but he can only fight 1 at a time :-\ if its Charlo or Andrade next I'd accept that :cool:
To be fair to Canelo, I think there are loads of acceptable fights out there, Charlo, Andrade, Smith , Kovalev, to name but a few. I just don't think that GGG is an acceptable fight bearing in mind the options he has. What does he need to prove against GGG? I think we all know that the longer time goes on, the more comfortable (I don't want to say easier) a fight Canelo will have with GGG. he's been there, done that , whether people like that or not . GGG doesn't have a belt , so I really don't feel it's meaningful in comparison to his other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleon
but we know already which fight will get made , don't we ? :rolleyes:
Right on brother :) there are many fights with which Canelo can build a legacy of sorts against ;) I think Canelo still needs to prove he can beat GGG clearly :-\ I thought he got beaten badly in the first and won a close one in the 2nd, it could have gone either way :) you're right brother that the longer in the tooth GGG gets the odds tilt further in Canelo's favor :mad: GGG deserves another crack but I'm happy for him to wait or earn his way to it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraTo be fair to Canelo, I think there are loads of acceptable fights out there, Charlo, Andrade, Smith , Kovalev, to name but a few. I just don't think that GGG is an acceptable fight bearing in mind the options he has. What does he need to prove against GGG? I think we all know that the longer time goes on, the more comfortable (I don't want to say easier) a fight Canelo will have with GGG. he's been there, done that , whether people like that or not . GGG doesn't have a belt , so I really don't feel it's meaningful in comparison to his other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleon
but we know already which fight will get made , don't we ? :rolleyes:
I agree with Primo(well both of you). Regardless of how you scored them, the difference between the first and second fight was massive, a rubber match favours Canelo tremendously, to the point where it isnt even that interesting imo. I think people sort of overlook that their first fight was a straight up screwjob, GGG won that going away. The second was indeed very hard to score, but watching it live I honestly didnt think GGG was going to finish the fight during the mid rounds, and given what he is that was very telling. He managed to rally late and nick a championship round or two to his total credit, but its as predictable as can be what happens if they fight a 3rd, at least to me.
Good call my man ;) if GGG wins a belt or earns the Canelo jackpot against a top 5 type guy I'm good :) but his diva shit wanting to jump directly to go I ain't playing wit ;) even if you thought he won both Canelo fights, what have you done for me lately holmes :confused: Rolls ain't no royce :DQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Canelo banging out Kovalev without a catchweight would be boss ;):cool:
Postponement of Canelo Alvarez's September fight is another puzzling move
In a surprise move, Golden Boy Promotions announced on Wednesday that Canelo Alvarez would not be fighting Sept. 14 because a "decision was made in an effort to secure the right opponent and to do justice to the level of promotion required for a boxing star of his magnitude."
Said Alvarez via a press release: "As a Mexican, it's a responsibility and an honor to represent my country in both May and September. Those are my dates. However, as a world champion in multiple weight classes, I also have the responsibility of delivering the most exciting and competitive fights possible. That's why Golden Boy and my team have decided to postpone the date in order to do right by my fans by promoting the best fight possible and with the best opponent possible."
The Saturday date, which is part of Mexican Independence Day weekend, has been a staple for Alvarez; he has fought on it in eight of the last 10 years. His not stepping through the ropes on what has become known in boxing as "Canelo's day" is significant.
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First, it means Alvarez and Golden Boy weren't able to entice WBO light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev to take their offer. Sporting News has learned from a source close to the situation that the offer started at $4 million and ended up getting raised to $6 million.
Kovalev and his camp wanted more money considering Daniel Jacobs earned around $12 million to face Alvarez in May. He had every right since he is a more prominent name than Jacobs, and he brings a more marquee bout due to the historical nature for Alvarez chasing a fourth world title in four different weight classes. Seeing that he wasn't likely going to get what he wanted, Kovalev shifted course and will take on Anthony Yarde on Aug. 24 in his native Russia.
Also, the move now allows Alvarez's rival Gennady Golovkin to step in and steal the date. The Athletic reports Golovkin is in conversations to square off with WBO junior middleweight champion Jaime Munguia.
The plan all along looked to be that, when both guys signed multi-year deals with DAZN, Canelo-GGG III would settle their score once and for all. However, Alvarez changed his tune. He didn't want to face Golovkin once again and give him the satisfaction of another lucrative payday. The 28-year-old felt he did enough to win both fights (Sporting News had Golovkin winning both bouts) and didn't see a trilogy fight as necessary.
Other options included WBA (super) super middleweight champion Callum Smith and WBO middleweight titleholder Demetrius Andrade. But given what Alvarez is looking for at this point, Smith and Andrade don't fit the bill.
Alvarez could have fought either Golovkin or Kovalev, and this would all be a moot point. Now it's hard to decipher what Alvarez is looking for in terms of an opponent. If it comes down to paying the opponent in the case of Kovalev, then he needs to tell Golden Boy to up the ante. Fighters know what other fighters are making. It isn't a dirty little secret. Boxers put their bodies on the line every time they enter the ring. One punch gone wrong could be the end of not only a fight, but a career and, most importantly, a livelihood. Because of that, boxers deserve to be compensated for what they feel they're worth.
The Golovkin matter is puzzling. Canelo-GGG III is one of the rare marquee attractions that doesn't need a title at stake to give it the extra pomp and circumstance. Maybe Alvarez is hurt and wants to heal before a return at the end of the year.
Based on what we know, Alvarez is displaying ignorance in refusing to face Golovkin, and his promoter doesn't want to pay Kovalev what he deserves.
What could happen — and what might be the most likely scenario — is Kovalev beats Yarde, raises his value and then takes on Alvarez later this year. But in the event Kovalev loses, that changes the complexity of the situation, and everything would be up in the air. DAZN isn't paying the Mexican star $35 million per fight for the next nine fights to take on low-quality opposition.
A press release and a statement from Alvarez wouldn't have been necessary had he not shown such disdain for Golovkin and fought him in eight weeks and still made a deal for Kovalev.
Unfortunately, as it always seems to be in boxing, the most obvious moves for the betterment of the sport are the ones not made.
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Were they low balling Kovalev because they knew they wouldn’t agree to the fight? Was it just to make it look like they were trying to put Canelo in with a monster? Offering Kovalev half of what Jacobs made is insane.
'Canelos dates' :p. Sounds like a case of Kovalev and people knowing Canelo needs them more..it's the entire point of moving up..and should be likewise compensated. Hate to be a Donny-Downer but they 'hope' to have Golovkin take the date v 154 Jaime Munguia? Talk about picking up the scraps.
They should have GGG vs Dennis Hogan, since he just made Jaime look a fool. Come on GGG, step up to Dennis Hogan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I think His Majesty has reached the point in his golden career where he doesn't actually doesn't HAVE to fight anybody.
He just needs to make it SEEM like he's willing to fight them.
His fans will "OOH" and "AHH" and swallow the blue pill all day long.
A perfect blueprint for any future boxing King of the World that might be born in the same golden cradle.
Kovalev might have taken an offer like that if he was ten years younger, but for a guy at the end of his career its obvious that he wouldnt.
Everyone knows this is just more of Canelo ducking the rocky fielding rematch anyways.