TV personality Mario Lopez in hot water over "insensitive" remarks

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/31/e...rnd/index.html

"Mario Lopez apologizes for 'ignorant' comments about parenting and gender identity"



The nerve of that Mario Lopez! :mad: And he's STILL allowed on television? Some heads should roll for this. His apology is not enough, I'm afraid. He should damn be burned at the stake for his awful comments. The stake I tell ya!!

Here is the quote from the article:

The former "Saved By the Bell" star made the remarks last month on a podcast hosted by conservative personality Candace Owens.
In the discussion, Owens brings up what she calls one of the "weird trends" of Hollywood parents allowing their children to pick their gender identity.
Though she is not a parent herself, Owens said "I nannied for five years of my life" and does not believe that children have the "mental authority" to make such decisions.
In response, Lopez asked Owens "please don't lump me into" the group of Hollywood parents of which she was speaking.
"I'm kind of blown away too," he said. "Look, I'm never one to tell anyone how to parent their kids, obviously, and I think if you come from a place of love, you really can't go wrong. But at the same time, my God, if you're 3 years old and you're saying you're feeling a certain way, or you think you're a boy or a girl, whatever the case may be, I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make that determination."
He added, "It's sort of alarming and, my gosh, I just think about the repercussions later on."


To be fair, he WAS sort of egged on by Candace Owens.... so she should be burned on the stake next to his.

Opinions such as these are totally unacceptable!

a transgender 3 year old is like a vegan cat. we all know who's making the lifestyle choices

Mario Lopez apology

"The comments I made were ignorant and insensitive, and I now have a deeper understanding of how hurtful they were," Lopez said in a statement to CNN. "I have been and always will be an ardent supporter of the LGBTQ community, and I am going to use this opportunity to better educate myself. Moving forward I will be more informed and thoughtful."

I didn't understand why his comments were "offensive" so took his advice about educating ourselves.


Mario Lopez's comments about transgender kids aren't just dumb. They're dangerous.

The conversations on Owens’ radio show (or in the pages of the Guardian) would have audiences believe that 4-year-old children are waking up one day, declaring a new gender and then undergoing surgical interventions the next day. This narrative is blatantly untrue — and also deliberately contrived to stoke fears of trans people and build support for a growing anti-trans movement in the United States and the United Kingdom.

The reality is much more nuanced.

What is true is that children grow and develop every day in thousands of ways. A 3-year-old is different than a 3½-year-old, and incredibly different from a 10-year-old. As parents, we know that each month brings new developments because we track our children’s development month-by-month. The idea, then, that parents and medical professionals would treat the development of all trans and gender-nonconforming children from ages 2 to 18 exactly the same way betrays the absurdity of the critique from the outset.

Supporting a child’s gender identity and expression is not the same as telling a child that they can be a truck or a dog — a favorite, and offensive, comparison of anti-trans commentators. Children who express a gender different from the gender assigned to them at birth do so in persistent and consistent ways over many months and years.

And being supporting does not mean taking your preschooler in for surgery: No young child is receiving medical intervention of any kind before puberty and no one is receiving surgery until the age of 18 (except in some limited circumstances, where chest surgery might be available around age 16). What children are supposed to receive is a loving and affirming caretaker who can reflect back to them that they are beautiful and loved, no matter what.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...6?icid=related

So the kids can't have the chop until they're 18-years-old, regardless of what age the gender swap thingy is chosen/discovered (not sure what's appropriate).

Am I the only one who thought they were chopping and changing littleuns? Doesn't sound so mental having to wait until they become adults to get surgery.

Who fucking cares , people can have opinions.
Why does this mad world think that everyone should like everyone else.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/31/e...rnd/index.html

"Mario Lopez apologizes for 'ignorant' comments about parenting and gender identity"



The nerve of that Mario Lopez! :mad: And he's STILL allowed on television? Some heads should roll for this. His apology is not enough, I'm afraid. He should damn be burned at the stake for his awful comments. The stake I tell ya!!

Here is the quote from the article:

The former "Saved By the Bell" star made the remarks last month on a podcast hosted by conservative personality Candace Owens.
In the discussion, Owens brings up what she calls one of the "weird trends" of Hollywood parents allowing their children to pick their gender identity.
Though she is not a parent herself, Owens said "I nannied for five years of my life" and does not believe that children have the "mental authority" to make such decisions.
In response, Lopez asked Owens "please don't lump me into" the group of Hollywood parents of which she was speaking.
"I'm kind of blown away too," he said. "Look, I'm never one to tell anyone how to parent their kids, obviously, and I think if you come from a place of love, you really can't go wrong. But at the same time, my God, if you're 3 years old and you're saying you're feeling a certain way, or you think you're a boy or a girl, whatever the case may be, I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make that determination."
He added, "It's sort of alarming and, my gosh, I just think about the repercussions later on."


To be fair, he WAS sort of egged on by Candace Owens.... so she should be burned on the stake next to his.

Opinions such as these are totally unacceptable!

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What next. If someone calls a person coyote ugly, they have to recant, repent and say they meant bittersweet eye candy?:-\

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Who fucking cares , people can have opinions.
Why does this mad world think that everyone should like everyone else.

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Mental isn't it?

Outside this forum I don't know anyone who gives a monkey's about gays/LGBT/trans or any of this stuff.

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Who fucking cares , people can have opinions.
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Precisely. Who fucking cares?

Which begs the question as to why Mario Lopez felt compelled (or pressured) to apologize to begin with. ;)

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Mario Lopez apology

"The comments I made were ignorant and insensitive, and I now have a deeper understanding of how hurtful they were," Lopez said in a statement to CNN. "I have been and always will be an ardent supporter of the LGBTQ community, and I am going to use this opportunity to better educate myself. Moving forward I will be more informed and thoughtful."

I didn't understand why his comments were "offensive" so took his advice about educating ourselves.


Mario Lopez's comments about transgender kids aren't just dumb. They're dangerous.

The conversations on Owens’ radio show (or in the pages of the Guardian) would have audiences believe that 4-year-old children are waking up one day, declaring a new gender and then undergoing surgical interventions the next day. This narrative is blatantly untrue — and also deliberately contrived to stoke fears of trans people and build support for a growing anti-trans movement in the United States and the United Kingdom.

The reality is much more nuanced.

What is true is that children grow and develop every day in thousands of ways. A 3-year-old is different than a 3½-year-old, and incredibly different from a 10-year-old. As parents, we know that each month brings new developments because we track our children’s development month-by-month. The idea, then, that parents and medical professionals would treat the development of all trans and gender-nonconforming children from ages 2 to 18 exactly the same way betrays the absurdity of the critique from the outset.

Supporting a child’s gender identity and expression is not the same as telling a child that they can be a truck or a dog — a favorite, and offensive, comparison of anti-trans commentators. Children who express a gender different from the gender assigned to them at birth do so in persistent and consistent ways over many months and years.

And being supporting does not mean taking your preschooler in for surgery: No young child is receiving medical intervention of any kind before puberty and no one is receiving surgery until the age of 18 (except in some limited circumstances, where chest surgery might be available around age 16). What children are supposed to receive is a loving and affirming caretaker who can reflect back to them that they are beautiful and loved, no matter what.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...6?icid=related

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Kudos on wanting to educate yourself on the matter. Funny though, how it's ok to reference and quote an article written by a trans activist...... but it's somehow naive to reference and quote an article written by a religious objector. Seems "double-standardish" to me.... you know?

So I myself went to a different type of source, one that looks at medical issues through the very real prism of economics.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/julianv.../#76ca2ca77161


I found a little "education", if you will, of my own:


"One example of this is in the UK, where doctors within the country’s national health system (the NHS) have in recent months have critiqued their experiences at the only clinic specialized in transgender medicine for children within the country. Last year, the governor of the Tavistock and Portman Foundation NHS Foundation Trust, Marcus Evans, accused the management of the clinic of having an “overvalued belief in” the expertise of its branch devoted to gender identity, the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS). Evans further accused the trust of “dismiss[ing] challenge and examination.” Then this spring, five clinicians at the Tavistock Centre which is run by the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) allege that this center has been approving “life-changing medical intervention” on children and adolescents “without sufficient evidence of its long-term effects” citing feeling pressured to refer young people for life-altering treatments. There have been at least 18 staff members who have resigned in similar protest over the past three years from the GIDS. In response to these resignations, Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre of Evidence-based Medicine at the University of Oxford, told the Times: “Given paucity of evidence, the off-label use of drugs [for outcomes not covered by the medicine’s license] in gender dysphoria treatment largely means an unregulated live experiment on children.”

Earlier this month, Dr Kirsty Entwistle, a former clinician who worked at the Leeds’ GIDS, detailed how clinicians have been fearful around their work in diagnosing children for fear of being labelled “transphobic.” In her open letter to Polly Carmichael, the director of GIDS, Entwistle wrote:

I think it is a problem that GIDS clinicians are making decisions that will have a major impact on children and young people’s bodies and on their lives, potentially the rest of their lives, without a robust evidence base. GIDS clinicians tell children and families that puberty blockers/hormone blocks are “fully reversible” but the reality is no one knows what the impacts are on children’s brains so how is it possible to make this claim? It is also a problem that GIDS clinicians are afraid of raising their concerns for fear of being labelled transphobic by colleagues.

Echoing Entwistle’s assertions this week, Michael Biggs, an associate professor in the Department of Sociology at the University of Oxford, published “The Tavistock’s Experiment with Puberty Blockers” [1] where he analyzes the devastating reality behind GIDS’ treatment of children through the administration of puberty blockers (triptorelin). Biggs demonstrates how Carmichael vastly misrepresented the safety and efficacy of these puberty blockers and avoided publishing the results of a study which examined the use of puberty blockers on these very children. Biggs writes, “The failure to fully publish the results of the experiment—for all 44 children given triptorelin, on all the outcomes that the study measured—suggests that it was a pretext to administer unlicensed drugs rather than an attempt to acquire scientific knowledge.” Biggs shows the links between parent advocacy for the medicalization of their children and the suppression of the negative results of Carmichael’s study which she also misrepresented to the media. He also demonstrates the myriad financial conflicts of interest at the heart of this trust’s practices while maintaining that GIDS is carrying out experimental treatment on adolescents driven in large part by advocacy groups like Mermaids.

What we are facing today is a crisis in medicine and the biotech sector where the demand for treatments and medicines is often being advocated by the patient and patient advocacy groups who are emotionally invested in a certain outcome, regardless of safety or medical wisdom. While sympathy with those suffering from various conditions is warranted, we need to ensure that medical and research establishments are not hijacked by lobby groups who just want doctors to do as they command."

What a pussy

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https://www.inquisitr.com/5559747/ma...report-claims/

Who is Candace Owens

https://i.imgur.com/2Oi5Puy.jpg

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pe=image%2Fpng

https://imgflip.com/i/376po9

He had nothing to apologise for. Never apologize for common sense views. Never. If cultists cannot handle it then that is their problem. He should be honest and say that is what he believes and has nothing to apologize for. End of.

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He had nothing to apologise for. Never apologize for common sense views. Never. If cultists cannot handle it then that is their problem. He should be honest and say that is what he believes and has nothing to apologize for. End of.

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Most of us agree except for the PC gang. However, he got pressured probably by the network and you know how that goes. Bunch of spineless weasels caving like that. What's this world coming to....

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Kudos on wanting to educate yourself on the matter. Funny though, how it's ok to reference and quote an article written by a trans activist...... but it's somehow naive to reference and quote an article written by a religious objector. Seems "double-standardish" to me.... you know?

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Are you serious? You don't know the difference between a fact-checked reputable source and unregulated religious/conspiracy propaganda screaming about fire and brimstone and Sodom and Gomorrah?

1. The article I provided is from a world-renowned reputable source (A factual search reveals that NBC News has not failed a fact check by an IFCN fact checker. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/nbc-news/)

2. It has fifteen citations, so we can fact check for ourselves, including scientific research from the The American Academy of Pediatrics (https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-...olescents.aspx)

3. It is clearly labeled an opinion piece, hence the authors credentials - an award winning Lawyer and staff attorney for ALCU (not a loon with zero credentials hiding behind a blog moniker).

4. I clearly stated that I was confused by Mario Lopez apology, what was offensive? He then called himself ignorant and insensitive. I then provided some evidence and facts from the highly informative article, that's all. It doesn't mean you have to agree Mario was "offensive," just appreciate facts from fiction. ;)

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Kudos on wanting to educate yourself on the matter. Funny though, how it's ok to reference and quote an article written by a trans activist...... but it's somehow naive to reference and quote an article written by a religious objector. Seems "double-standardish" to me.... you know?

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Are you serious? You don't know the difference between a fact-checked reputable source and unregulated religious/conspiracy propaganda screaming about fire and brimstone and Sodom and Gomorrah?

1. The article I provided is from a world-renowned reputable source (A factual search reveals that NBC News has not failed a fact check by an IFCN fact checker. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/nbc-news/)

2. It has fifteen citations, so we can fact check for ourselves, including scientific research from the The American Academy of Pediatrics (https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-...olescents.aspx)

3. It is clearly labeled an opinion piece, hence the authors credentials - an award winning Lawyer and staff attorney for ALCU (not a loon with zero credentials hiding behind a blog moniker).

4. I clearly stated that I was confused by Mario Lopez apology, what was offensive? He then called himself ignorant and insensitive. I then provided some evidence and facts from the highly informative article, that's all. It doesn't mean you have to agree Mario was "offensive," just appreciate facts from fiction. ;)

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I'm well aware of the difference. It appears you're not.

1. The article you provided was written by a trans activist. Makes little difference whether he's an attorney for the ALCU, a NASA engineer, or a professor at MIT. He's a trans activist. Hence the opinion part you admit to in #3.

2. Fifteen citations? Convenient and misleading bit of information, as many of these just link back to other likewise-opinionated pieces. That's what Trump does. Backs up his bullshit with "quoted bullshit." Same shit.

3. Glad you understand it's an opinion piece. Again... the writer's credentials matter little if the guy's a trans activist. Obviously not the unbiased source you seem to be comically trumpeting.

4. Mario Lopez called his comments (not himself) ignorant and insensitive upon being pressured to do so by his people. He is a TV personality and being on TV is his livelihood. Getting fired over an innocent comment would severely damage his ability to make a living.


If anyone presented a highly informative, unbiased article... it was me. Yet it went ignored because it doesn't fit your narrative. Forbes, in writing about the economics in medicine, including the use of puberty blockers on children, clearly has "no dog in the fight", and can offer a different, unslanted, intelligent perspective on what is a real and increasing problem.

You're welcome.

As proof of #4, I offer the following article:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...193322170.html


Whether rumors of his imminent firing are true or not, it is clear that the network was not pleased by Mario's remarks, and his apology was the only thing that kept him from being fired.

You're a betting man. ;) I'd be willing to make a healthy wager that, if questioned privately, Mario would admit to not being sorry at all..... that he still feels his comments were harmless and not hurtful.

Jesus funking christ, dude.

Your article had nothing to do with what I read, Mario Lopez or the reasons he apologised, it was irrelevant. Everyone ignored it not just me. If it makes you feel better, feel free to explain what you want me to say about your article.

What is my narrative? (:-\) All I did was try to find out why Mario Lopez apologised (:-\)

That's all you were doing? Trying to find out why Mario Lopez apologized? Oh, ok.

You'll excuse me if I thought you were trying to pass an opinion article written by a trans activist as "educational", because you basically said as much in your opening post in this thread.

I would've thought if that's all you were doing (trying to find out why Mario apologized), that you would've simply read a factual account of what happened. No slant in either direction. Instead you chose a piece written by a biased source.

Once you proceeded to try and pass that off as factual and unbiased, I felt compelled to present you with an actual factual, unbiased piece on the subject.

No biggie.

Anywho..... I hope you finally understand why it was that Mario apologized, since you claim that was your only purpose.



See? We gettin' good at this shit ain't we... ;)

You're now saying an opinion piece can't be educational? What kind of stupid is that? Who other than a Trans (or activist) can best explain why the comments were offensive? Mario didn't know. I didn't know. Nobody else on here offered a reason other than - "fuck them!"

The article not only educates from a Trans perspective but links to testimony and evidence from pediatricians, doctors, parents, childrens orgs, victims and families of suicide victims. It provides research from official American medical and health and suicide and charity institutes.

Do you - @TITO - know more about Trans children than these organisations? More than an actual Trans? Victims of sucide/bullying/humiliation? Is Tito the only expert on Trans? The only voice allowed?

If you're not prepared to listen to the other side, how do you expect to learn/understand anything? That is pure ignorance.

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You're now saying an opinion piece can't be educational? What kind of stupid is that? Who other than a Trans (or activist) can best explain why the comments were offensive? Mario didn't know. I didn't know. Nobody else on here offered a reason other than - "fuck them!"

The article not only educates from a Trans perspective but links to testimony and evidence from pediatricians, doctors, parents, childrens orgs, victims and families of suicide victims. It provides research from official American medical and health and suicide and charity institutes.

Do you - @TITO - know more about Trans children than these organisations? More than an actual Trans? Victims of sucide/bullying/humiliation? Is Tito the only expert on Trans? The only voice allowed?

If you're not prepared to listen to the other side, how do you expect to learn/understand anything? That is pure ignorance.

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Pot and kettle, anyone? "Not prepared to listen to the other side"...... now that's a peach right there. :rolleyes:

For every pro-trans slanted article attempting to provide "statistics" regarding teen suicides related to gender issues, I can provide you with two or three unbiased medical articles which point to the exact opposite, where suicide rates are actually higher among teens who have been lazily "gender-transitioned". I say lazily because obviously the traditional methods of therapy and counseling are too time consuming for both parents and medical professionals. It's easier and more profitable to administer puberty blockers and perform surgical transformations. To say these people are constantly pushing to lower the age of blockers and surgical options is a gross understatement. It is not only well documented that there is controversy in the medical profession over the administration of puberty blockers on children....... it is common sense as well...... as the almighty $$$ has a way of skewing even the most sacred of principles.

Is Tito an expert on trans? God no. Is Fenster? If so.... what are your credentials. If you're one yourself, I guess that would explain why the stubborn torch-carrying.

Ignorance isn't objecting to things because of your own beliefs. Ignorance is taking articles written by totally biased sources and trying to pass them off as fact. THAT....... is ignorance.

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For every pro-trans slanted article attempting to provide "statistics" regarding teen suicides related to gender issues, I can provide you with two or three unbiased medical articles which point to the exact opposite, where suicide rates are actually higher among teens who have been lazily "gender-transitioned". I say lazily because obviously the traditional methods of therapy and counseling are too time consuming for both parents and medical professionals. It's easier and more profitable to administer puberty blockers and perform surgical transformations. To say these people are constantly pushing to lower the age of blockers and surgical options is a gross understatement. It is not only well documented that there is controversy in the medical profession over the administration of puberty blockers on children....... it is common sense as well...... as the almighty $$$ has a way of skewing even the most sacred of principles.

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I have no idea what you're talking about - Puberty blockers? Trans suicide rates? Traditional therapy? Counselling? $$$? Biased medical articles?

I only just learnt that kids aren't allowed surgery until they're 18, I have virtually zero interest in Trans.

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Is Tito an expert on trans? God no.

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That's why I read a real Trans person to get educated about Mario's comments.

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Is Fenster an expert? If so.... what are your credentials. If you're one yourself, I guess that would explain why the stubborn torch-carrying.

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Is Fenster a Trans? No, dude, that's why I read a real Trans to get educated about Mario's comments. I have no idea how "stubborn torch-carrying" possibly applies to me, no idea whatsoever? I have never claimed anything but ignorance when it comes to Trans, barely made a comment.

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Pot and kettle, anyone? "Not prepared to listen to the other side"...... now that's a peach right there.

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As you can see I specifically looked for the opposite side to help me understand their position. Why would I need a Trans to explain why Mario's comments were offensive? Maybe you're upset and angry with me because I didn't say "fuck them?" "They're mentally ill," "it's child abuse" .... I simply don't understand it.

Who is "anyone?" For a guy who gets upset and angry when "lumped together with others," you sure do call a lot for friends, reassurance and comfort in numbers to back you up.

Try to speak for yourself otherwise you look like a bully rounding up the gang. (just some friendly advise, hope you don't get too angry :)).

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For every pro-trans slanted article attempting to provide "statistics" regarding teen suicides related to gender issues, I can provide you with two or three unbiased medical articles which point to the exact opposite, where suicide rates are actually higher among teens who have been lazily "gender-transitioned". I say lazily because obviously the traditional methods of therapy and counseling are too time consuming for both parents and medical professionals. It's easier and more profitable to administer puberty blockers and perform surgical transformations. To say these people are constantly pushing to lower the age of blockers and surgical options is a gross understatement. It is not only well documented that there is controversy in the medical profession over the administration of puberty blockers on children....... it is common sense as well...... as the almighty $$$ has a way of skewing even the most sacred of principles.

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I have no idea what you're talking about - Puberty blockers? Trans suicide rates? Traditional therapy? Counselling? $$$? Biased medical articles?

I only just learnt that kids aren't allowed surgery until they're 18, I have virtually zero interest in Trans.

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That's why I read a real Trans person to get educated about Mario's comments.

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Is Fenster an expert? If so.... what are your credentials. If you're one yourself, I guess that would explain why the stubborn torch-carrying.

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Is Fenster a Trans? No, dude, that's why I read a real Trans to get educated about Mario's comments. I have no idea how "stubborn torch-carrying" possibly applies to me, no idea whatsoever? I have never claimed anything but ignorance when it comes to Trans, barely made a comment.

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Pot and kettle, anyone? "Not prepared to listen to the other side"...... now that's a peach right there.

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As you can see I specifically looked for the opposite side to help me understand their position. Why would I need a Trans to explain why Mario's comments were offensive? Maybe you're upset and angry with me because I didn't say "fuck them?" "They're mentally ill," "it's child abuse" .... I simply don't understand it.

Who is "anyone?" For a guy who gets upset and angry when "lumped together with others," you sure do call a lot for friends, reassurance and comfort in numbers to back you up.

Try to speak for yourself otherwise you look like a bully rounding up the gang. (just some friendly advise, hope you don't get too angry :)).

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You know... at the end of the day it's really not all that important. I hope you're not losing any sleep over this.

I say what I say, because there's a history of yours (and mine) views on all that is LGBTQ related. This shouldn't even need be said, but I'll said it because anyone would think all this comes from the thin air. It doesn't.

Not sure what you mean by "you sure do call a lot of friends" but again..... it's not all that important, and for people like you guys (your gang) that make a routine out of twisting other people's words into what you feel like, it's not at all surprising that you would continue to do so.

There's no anger here, as personally I couldn't give less of a flying one what other people say or do, as long as it doesn't affect me or my family directly.

You've already created this mental picture of me which suits your fancy, so...... knock yourself out dude. Whatever rocks your boat.

I'll continue being opinionated on what I feel on being opinionated..... and if that somehow rubs your gang the wrong way...... you can always look the other way.

Nice chat.