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Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
The only two HOF-amers Tyson fought whopped his arse, Holyfield twice and Lennox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7CW8COpyuw
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
Wilder has fought how many HoF himself?
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
Holmes was past his prime, but................ rarely have I enjoyed a beatdown more than this one. Made me an instant Tyson fan.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
Master
Wilder has fought how many HoF himself?
1
Charlie Zelenoff in an exhibition
:-X
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Holmes was past his prime, but................ rarely have I enjoyed a beatdown more than this one. Made me an instant Tyson fan.
Past his prime? He still beat Mercer after that and gave Holyfield hell sooooo :shrug03:
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
Well.... he was nearly 40 and did have the dubious distinction to have lost twice to a blown-up light heavyweight just before the Tyson fight.
Not saying he was totally washed up.... only that he was beyond his prime. I think his prime was late 70's early 80's.
Having said that, beating the undefeated Mercer was definitely a late career achievement.
Still...... past his prime or not..... I was elated to see Tyson tear him a new one.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
I agree that Tyson lost to his best competition. He was still a great fighter but didn’t beat anybody great.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
How long would Wilder last against Mike Tyson?
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
Lets keep in mind that he was also a shell of himself when he fought Holyfield and Lennox. No head movement, no trainer that knew his system and was doing hard drugs most of that time and looking for a way out.
He didn't get popped for weed while driving around and buzzed by a flabby frenchman, or chubby heavyweight while enjoying a 4-7+ inch reach advantage and flailing cuffs. Easy to talk trash when your in an era of subpar heavyweights.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
This is like Pee Wee Herman criticizing DeNiro as an actor. 1 win over Ortiz does not a legend make. Shoot I'm not so sure Wilder beats Tony Tucker for starters.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
J_Undisputed
Lets keep in mind that he was also a shell of himself when he fought Holyfield and Lennox. No head movement, no trainer that knew his system and was doing hard drugs most of that time and looking for a way out.
He didn't get popped for weed while driving around and buzzed by a flabby frenchman, or chubby heavyweight while enjoying a 4-7+ inch reach advantage and flailing cuffs. Easy to talk trash when your in an era of subpar heavyweights.
While this may be true, it doesn’t take away from the fact that he made bad choices and lost fights because of it.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
This is like Pee Wee Herman criticizing DeNiro as an actor. 1 win over Ortiz does not a legend make. Shoot I'm not so sure Wilder beats Tony Tucker for starters.
Meeeeeeh :-\
I think Paul Ruebens (PeeWee) is actually a good actor See him as Derek Foreal in Blow) DeNiro is kind of a one note Johnny now'a'days "Aye look at me, I'm an Italian tough guy, fuggedaboutit"
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
This is like Pee Wee Herman criticizing DeNiro as an actor. 1 win over Ortiz does not a legend make. Shoot I'm not so sure Wilder beats Tony Tucker for starters.
Meeeeeeh :-\
I think Paul Ruebens (PeeWee) is actually a good actor See him as Derek Foreal in Blow) DeNiro is kind of a one note Johnny now'a'days "Aye look at me, I'm an Italian tough guy, fuggedaboutit"
We all know you just despise his politics don't over think an analogy ;D. They don't compare role wise.
But have to ask for all the stick Tyson gets for beating a washed up Holmes...isn't this the same washed up Holmes who came back to compete with and beat a top heavyweight at the time. What's with the disrespect and throwing shade from these young heavies today. First AJ and now Wilder fresh off a draw he lost ffs hating on legends. It's delusional.
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
We all know you just despise his politics don't over think an analogy ;D. They don't compare role wise.
But have to ask for all the stick Tyson gets for beating a washed up Holmes...isn't this the same washed up Holmes who came back to compete with and beat a top heavyweight at the time. What's with the disrespect and throwing shade from these young heavies today. First AJ and now Wilder fresh off a draw he lost ffs hating on legends. It's delusional.
Actors, artists, whoever if their work is more than them jamming their politics down your throat I'm good with it. I don't mind DeNiro at all, I think like Pacino when he was younger he was more versatile as an actor Christopher Walken too...I like all those guys work. I think right now DeNiro is just his name recognition and the "I'm a grumpy Italian wiseguy" schtick.
I'll also take this time to remind you....all Wlad ever did was show respect and class ;D
Heavyweights today are just insecure, they feel they need to big up themselves to get more eyes on them. Do it in the ring and the eyes will follow.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
People can critique Tyson’s career. But Wilder has beaten literally NOBODY! When he was World Champion, he was calling out a novice called Joshua! Not even British champion at the time.
When Tyson was World Champion, I can’t remember him calling out Gary Mason ffs.
Give Tyson 6 months focused training and he’d fucking beat Wilder now!
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
Tyson beat some great fighters but never overcame adversity in the ring to pull off a win. I'm trying to think of another multiple defence heavyweight champ I can say that about?
Ruddock fights are only ones I can think of that came close to that - he won but things weren't all going his way during the fight, was never in any trouble mind. Hell of a long time since I've seen those fights mind.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
People can critique Tyson’s career. But Wilder has beaten literally NOBODY! When he was World Champion, he was calling out a novice called Joshua! Not even British champion at the time.
When Tyson was World Champion, I can’t remember him calling out Gary Mason ffs.
Give Tyson 6 months focused training and he’d fucking beat Wilder now!
Sure he would. Can never have an honest conversation about Mike Tyson,,, the focused Zab of the heavyweight division.
(Not saying the conversation is dishonest because of you, saying every Mike Tyson conversation is dishonest. I appreciate it though, I won a LOT money on people thinking Tyson was something he wasn’t. Great athlete, fragile fragile man)
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
Mike would break Wilder in half and use his legs as tooth picks ;D I want to be Mikes friend, smoking $40 thousand worth a month in weed :stonedsmilie: :thumb:;D:cool:
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Spinks was a great LHW , and this 39 year old Holmes lost to the said great LHW previously.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
powerpuncher
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Originally Posted by
J_Undisputed
Lets keep in mind that he was also a shell of himself when he fought Holyfield and Lennox. No head movement, no trainer that knew his system and was doing hard drugs most of that time and looking for a way out.
He didn't get popped for weed while driving around and buzzed by a flabby frenchman, or chubby heavyweight while enjoying a 4-7+ inch reach advantage and flailing cuffs. Easy to talk trash when your in an era of subpar heavyweights.
While this may be true, it doesn’t take away from the fact that he made bad choices and lost fights because of it.
Oh i'm not saying mikes not at fault or didn't lose to those fighters. Its already been disproved above that the statement that he never fought anyone is beyond ridiculous. For wilder to be beating up mascots and making ridiculous statements like that only shows how delusional he is about the impact of wins over ortiz and a returning fury. What round does unified tyson take out Ortiz? or even get hit by Fury? At the same time does wilder make it past ruddock, or most of the guys that finished the fights with Tyson on their feet? I'm not even sure he beats holmes.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Spinks was a great LHW , and this 39 year old Holmes lost to the said great LHW previously.
They're still better than anyone Wilder fought
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
Anyone going to comment on AJ's "I don't respect Lennox Lewis" comment?
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Anyone going to comment on AJ's "I don't respect Lennox Lewis" comment?
I think we have in the other thread and think at best he had made a bad PR move and worst lost his mind and given up on winning back the titles.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Anyone going to comment on AJ's "I don't respect Lennox Lewis" comment?
Lewis can say hey, one brick from a dark alley caught me cold. One and done..as is said it has happened and will continue to. Joshua can say hey..I was hit by the exact same punches over and over, made zero adjustments, couldn't capitalize on a dropped fighter and proceeded to be thoroughly dismantled. And apparently I can't carry the gumshield of Lennox when it comes to fighting on the backfoot ;D. I dunno maybe that's unfair. But AJ didn't respect Andy Ruiz either so.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
Which version of Tyson would Wilder actually beat?
Pre Douglas or Post Douglas?
Wilder fought Fury at his worst and still had a draw..Wilder has to smoke Fury in February to have any chance of backing up these words.
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Re: Wilder - "Mike Tyson never beat anyone. Disagree? You know shit about boxing"
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Originally Posted by
imp
Which version of Tyson would Wilder actually beat?
Pre Douglas or Post Douglas?
Wilder fought Fury at his worst and still had a draw..Wilder has to smoke Fury in February to have any chance of backing up these words.
Wilder has the size to do anything he'd want to Mike Tyson....a lot of fighters had that and only that and a lot of them lost. If Wilder were to let Tyson in on him then it's all over those long arms become a hindrance rather than a benefit and Tyson's headmovement, low center of gravity, and quick hands end that night real quick.
I've never seen Wilder win a fight always staying at distance.
I think Wilder vs Shavers is the hypothetical everyone would want to see ;D ....but power vs power doesn't always work out like we fans want it.
I think on skill Mike Tyson is head and shoulders above Wilder. Tyson had his style, people can see, understand, and imitate what he did in the ring....Wilder just looks like a MMA fighter when he's throwing the hands that is kind of impressive on it's own to be honest.
i'd still say Tyson by KO because that dude could take a shot and stay right in there...Wilder??? He reminds me of Paul Williams a bit, just raw, still RAW as a fighter...imagine if he had a damn gameplan that he followed...(I don't know if he just goes out there and throws the hands, but it seems like that's what he does).
