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Anyone else on board?
Spence might be my favorite fighter right now, and I think he is special. But I don’t know he is special. Crawford I know is special. At first I thought “Spence is too big” but Crawford is the best fighter in the world and has been at 147 for over a year. Size can’t be an excuse anymore. Crawford is a WW and if he’s the best fighter in the world then he has to be the best fighter in his division.
If Crawford loses he drops P4P as well, no double standards.
I like Crawford and watched him beat up Burns to win a world title. He has gone on from strength to strength and beaten good fighters at welterweight. However I think Spence would beat him in a tight decision just being that bit stronger, accurate and busier.
Progress for the showdown has been so slow that I think they will miss the boat.
Crawford no doubt.
Can definitely see a case for Bud to win. I just think Spence will be too big for him. Crawford appears to be slightly more skilled, but I don’t think he is any faster and that, combined with Spence’s power and size will be the difference. It won’t be easy for either guy, but I see Spence edging a close fight. I really hope this fight gets made soon.
I just love that the fight is happening, nothing but respect to both fighters they're both taking a risk in there and it should be a fan friendly bout as well.
I'd never bet against Bud Crawford, but this one I think will be close as I really rate Spence.
Spence is not without skills, people. Sounds like the only chances being given to Spence is because he's too big. That's an affront to his considerable boxing skills. To be sure, p4p I feel Crawford is by far wilier and more ring savvy than most if not all fighters today. But Spence isn't just a big, fast dufus. This is a fun fight to pick, and it'll be an even "funner" fight to watch. Wish there were more Spences-Crawfords to be made out there. I like both fighters, and this would by all means be a classic, probably worthy of a trilogy (if it's competitive). As far as who I pick, I'll tip the scales and give a slight nod to Spence. All respect to Crawford because this would be the Mt. Everest of boxing for him.
I would edge Crawford. I have always been very high on Spence and think he is an extremely good fighter. Crawford just makes great adjustments in the ring. Spence has elite offense but with that comes allowing yourself to get hit. If Spence tries to box, I think that Crawford wins a close but comfortable decision. If Spence tries to rough him up, he will get hit a lot more but I still think he loses a very close decision.
I wouldn’t at all be shocked to see Spence win though.
Just to be clear, I think Spence is a very skilled fighter in his own right- I just feel Bud is slightly more skilled. If all Spence had going for him was speed and size, I would pick Bud to win. I feel that they are relatively close in terms of skill and speed, however, and that is why I feel Errol’s size and power advantages will be the difference. Don’t want to give the impression that I feel Spence is relies solely on natural gifts.
One additional aspect I haven’t seen anyone mention is the experience of fighting another elite fighter who is there to win. I feel Brook fits that definition for Spence (he pushed Spence in that fight), and Porter will as well. Bud has looked phenomenal, but in my opinion Gamboa was the only fighter who was skilled and showed up to win against Bud- but the size difference was too much. I actually thought Gamboa was winning until he got caught in the 5th round. Not saying Bud doesn’t have “dog” in him, just saying I haven’t seen him have to use it against an equal sized, elite opponent like Spence did.
Just talking about this fight makes me want to scream at the promoters to make the fight happen!
We want our own Leonard v Hearns.
It’s too bad that most welters are with PBC. Crawford got the shaft.
If Crawford and Spence demand it, the promoters and TV companies can make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
If Manny turns Spence down after the Porter fight, which is completely possible, I think we get it. Spence/Thurman isn’t currently PPV, Spence/Garcia isn’t currently PPV. That leaves Bud. If he doesn’t get Manny he deserves flack if he doesn’t go after Crawford.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf Crawford and Spence demand it, the promoters and TV companies can make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
My thing, watching 4 Spence fights yesterday, is Spence pauses. Like he’s great at a lot of things but they aren’t natural, they’re learned. Historically the natural takes advantage in these situations.
Interesting observation/analysis regarding Spence pausing. I hadn’t noticed that so will watch some videos to see if I can pick up on it. Agree that pausing could be a problem against a fluid fighter like Bud (and/or Manny).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIf Manny turns Spence down after the Porter fight, which is completely possible, I think we get it. Spence/Thurman isn’t currently PPV, Spence/Garcia isn’t currently PPV. That leaves Bud. If he doesn’t get Manny he deserves flack if he doesn’t go after Crawford.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf Crawford and Spence demand it, the promoters and TV companies can make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
My thing, watching 4 Spence fights yesterday, is Spence pauses. Like he’s great at a lot of things but they aren’t natural, they’re learned. Historically the natural takes advantage in these situations.
This is seriously a tough one. Both are my current favorites and this is a dream mega fight for this era..it simply needs to happen. At this point and overthinking it I would lean ever so slightly..by a hair..Crawford. Spence proved an awesome backfoot last out but with respect to Mikey I need to see that against a full fledged and traveled welter before seeing it as effective v Crawford. Spence does much better inside work I believe..which also puts him there and as has been said before he tends to keep that head high. He does a bit of pausing great point and can be observing his work in spots. On comp I go Spence too. And another great thing with both is I think they have genuine 'mean' streaks..solid finishers and build on leads and damaging work rather than coasting on it. Spence may be calm cool collected but he and Bud like to put in some hurt-work. Man, this is a tough one to gauge ;D. I just see Crawford as the more 'fluid' of the two. He's shown that instant shift, from stance to attack mode over and over and the more comfortable all around boxer. Of the two I can see Spence feeling the urge to rush. The urgency that is a double edge sword to press forward should the rounds increasingly go against him..where Crawford can be a little bit of a showman and uses the ring very wisely. All of it. He'd be advised to keep his tongue in his mouth though less he want it lopped off courtesy of a few Spence uppercuts. Equally Spence will do well to keep primary focus on a determined Porter. I think the natural size may be negligible and felt Crawford to way to long to move up to 147. Both are big big for 147 with room to expand. Bit random on this one but really needs to be made. Ask me tomorrow and Spence for the win ;D.
I think Spence would make Crawford look over rated. Not because he is but because I think his power is a deciding factor here. He will get Crawfords respect early if they meet and turn the tables with the pauses. Then everyone will claim Spence was too big after he goes on to dominate a buzzed and hesitant Crawford.
Shame it wont happen unless Spence leaves Al or Crawford leaves Bob.
Hopefully, one day, it does happen. So far, Crawford hasn't fought anyone near Spence level, arguably his best wins are Gamboa and Khan, whereas Spence will have victories over Garcia, Brook and Porter (seeing as everyone has written Porter off). Crawford is superb, he just lacks the acid test, like dudes like Calzaghe and Hopkins suffered from back in the day.
I can't see it happening anytime soon either. Too much on the line for either promoter to make the fight and one of the boxers may quietly not fancy it either.
As for who wins if Spence can't stop Garcia he's not stopping Crawford. And I can't see Crawford being outboxed. Crawford UD for me.
Glad you finally came to your senses. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I think Crawford will win. How long does it take for weight to start becoming a Spence issue?
Anyone ready to get on this train after tonight?
I am. Think Porter makes Bud look just as bad, but I was surprised by how much Shawn’s lateral movement bothered Spence. It will be a good fight, but now I’m leaning towards Crawford. Unfortunately, I’m not confident the fight gets made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by mikeeodI am. Think Porter makes Bud look just as bad, but I was surprised by how much Shawn’s lateral movement bothered Spence. It will be a good fight, but now I’m leaning towards Crawford. Unfortunately, I’m not confident the fight gets made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I think Porter makes Bud look worse than Spence looked. Bud is the cerebral type of fighter who methodically breaks you down. But he's never been in the ring with a head-first buzz-saw like Porter. I think all the swarming and mauling from Porter would bother Crawford big time. At least Spence decided to mix it up with Porter on the inside and punished the body (and below). He was trying to knock Porter out. Crawford I don't know would be able to switch gears like that. I'd have to see it. Between Spence and Crawford it remains a tossup for me. Tonight does nothing to change my opinion.
Instead of Spence-Crawford it showed how far behind Crawford is from facing top welterweight competition. We don't know how he'd deal with Porter let alone Spence. It's the boring old cliche - styles make fights. However, Porter's bulldozing is a handful for everyone, no way Crawford is as strong as Spence or a dude like Brook.
Styles indeed make fights. That’s why I got my pick in before Spence/Porter because I knew some shine would come off Spence tonight in some people’s eyes. But he’s the same guy to me so I wanted my opinion out there before.
Arum needs to be realistic about the money 110,000 PPV buys for Bud doesn’t bring 50/50, get it done.
That's if Spence even fights again and even if he does it'll be a case ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
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I'd take Crawford over Spence, but Crawford is wasting on the vine against average comp.
I will give him this mandatory in December, but that’s it. He has to demand a fight against one of the top fighters after this or else I won’t cut him anymore slack. It’s time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Pretty sure we saw his mandatory get boxed a bit and lucky to salvage a draw v Robinson. Honestly think Crawford can dictate this one from his hotel room come fight night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
How would you know he means it if he does demand a big fight? He might be quite happy for Arum to not make one and just keep getting easy paydays. When is his contract up? Didn't he recently sign an extension with Top Rank knowing all the top welters are mainly with Haymon?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI will give him this mandatory in December, but that’s it. He has to demand a fight against one of the top fighters after this or else I won’t cut him anymore slack. It’s time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Generally it gets out who refused to sign a contract. We will hear that TR sent a contract to X welterweight and that X’s Team refused to sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHow would you know he means it if he does demand a big fight? He might be quite happy for Arum to not make one and just keep getting easy paydays. When is his contract up? Didn't he recently sign an extension with Top Rank knowing all the top welters are mainly with Haymon?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI will give him this mandatory in December, but that’s it. He has to demand a fight against one of the top fighters after this or else I won’t cut him anymore slack. It’s time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
They may have a good reason not to sign. Arum can send them a contract which is massively in Crawford's favour that basically prices Crawford out of any fight. There are always going to be two sides to every story.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherGenerally it gets out who refused to sign a contract. We will hear that TR sent a contract to X welterweight and that X’s Team refused to sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHow would you know he means it if he does demand a big fight? He might be quite happy for Arum to not make one and just keep getting easy paydays. When is his contract up? Didn't he recently sign an extension with Top Rank knowing all the top welters are mainly with Haymon?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI will give him this mandatory in December, but that’s it. He has to demand a fight against one of the top fighters after this or else I won’t cut him anymore slack. It’s time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Crawford is thirty, has yet to have a top level opponent and all the top level welters, Thurman, Porter, Garcia, Spence are signed with Haymon. Crawford signed a contract extension a year ago with Arum. He could have been a free agent now and able to get a big fight but even assuming he does want one has limited his chances of ever getting one by signing with Arum. If he'd wanted the big fights all he had to do was sign with Haymon and they'd be guaranteed. More money in those fights as well.
The truth always comes out on the contract negotiations. People generally are just biased on who they want to side withQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThey may have a good reason not to sign. Arum can send them a contract which is massively in Crawford's favour that basically prices Crawford out of any fight. There are always going to be two sides to every story.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherGenerally it gets out who refused to sign a contract. We will hear that TR sent a contract to X welterweight and that X’s Team refused to sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHow would you know he means it if he does demand a big fight? He might be quite happy for Arum to not make one and just keep getting easy paydays. When is his contract up? Didn't he recently sign an extension with Top Rank knowing all the top welters are mainly with Haymon?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI will give him this mandatory in December, but that’s it. He has to demand a fight against one of the top fighters after this or else I won’t cut him anymore slack. It’s time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Crawford is thirty, has yet to have a top level opponent and all the top level welters, Thurman, Porter, Garcia, Spence are signed with Haymon. Crawford signed a contract extension a year ago with Arum. He could have been a free agent now and able to get a big fight but even assuming he does want one has limited his chances of ever getting one by signing with Arum. If he'd wanted the big fights all he had to do was sign with Haymon and they'd be guaranteed. More money in those fights as well.
'HISTORY' Terence Crawford reveals Errol Spence Jr fight is OFF and will NEVER happen after bitter row over purse split.
TERENCE CRAWFORD has moved on from a blockbuster fight with Errol Spence Jr, insisting their proposed welterweight title unification bout is 'behind' him.
Boxing fans across the world are itching for the pair, 33 and 31 respectively, to share the ring with one another.
Purse demands from Crawford, however, have so far delayed the mouth-watering 147lb showdown.
And the Nebraska native appears to have now moved on entirely from the fight.
Bud told DAZN's Chris Mannix: “I’m not even worried about Errol Spence anymore.
“I already told everybody that fight is history for me. I’m not thinking or worried about Errol Spence anymore.
“That fight is behind me.”
Switch-hitter Crawford doubled down on that stance in a separate interview with Fight Hub TV.
When asked if he believes the fight will one day come to fruition, he said: “Nah, never.
"That fight never gonna happen. It’s over with.”
Spence Jr, however, is confident a clash with the WBO welterweight titleholder 'is going to happen'.
And the New Yorker recently reiterated his belief he's the a-side in the fight.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14418...ence-jr-fight/
Wow... that's too bad. I like Crawford and enjoy watching him fight. But nothing anyone can say in Bud's defense can erase the fact that it is HE who is putting the final nail on the coffin regarding a showdown with Spence.
Unless of course, this is just more "boxing double talk", and Crawford's just trying to go through every page of the Negotiations Playbook in order to get the money he wants.
Seems ridiculous though, especially when he says Spence needs him more than he needs Spence.
Last I checked, Spence has the better resume at welter and... if Crawford is going to continue to claim superiority at welter... it's a long-known fact he's not engaging the opponents to back up that claim.
History will say Crawford ducked Spence... and the onus will be on Bud fans to try and argue otherwise.
To be honest, I really can’t see why this Isn’t a simple 50/50 split. Ok people will say Spence is the A side and he’s worth more.
But is he the same Boxer as before the accident?
And anyway if Spence is confident he’s worth a 70% share, why not have the winner gets 70%?
It used to be called Prizefighting for a reason didn’t it?
I've lost a few things regarding these two namely hope that they will ever meet and honestly a little fanfare for Crawford. He is in real danger of letting some others in the division pass him by in terms of big match ups and one comparative glance at the record of Spence tells me Erroll has already done so. He's spent the last couple of years in hype type name showcases with Brook and Khan where let's be honest the outcome and fashion were fairly well known before the opening bells. Sandwiched in between those he fought a bit bored v Kavaliauskas and was rocked and took a unofficial knockdown for his trouble. Time is now Bud, shit or get off the pot as they say.
If you're asking for seventy percent of this fight you're really saying you don't want the fight. Maybe it's just a negotiating tactic and maybe Crawford saying the fight won't happen is the same thing but if Spence is insisting on that kind of share and won't budge then he's dodging the fight.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Exactly. If looking at it objectively, Crawford's the one who recently came up to welter and let's face it... his resume at 147 isn't anything to write home about. In a division as stacked as 147 there is no reason for that to still be the case.
Bud didn't want 60/40. Now it appears Spence has made it even tougher. No matter. Crawford is the ultimate loser in this back-and-forth.
Spence has fought Porter and Garcia. Who has Crawford fought?
Lose interest in the fight and the fighters when it gets to a stage like this. Same when Josh/Wilder were dancing around for ages and never got close to making a fight.
Sick of fights not being made for the sake of ego and money splits.
Fuck um!
Crawford has done nothing at 147 and beat x2 past it fighters in Khan and Brook.
Crawford is the reason why this fight will never take place.
Remove him from the P4P list as he is already in retirement mode talking about hall of fame etc.
He could have snatched the P4P torch from Ward after his retirement and ran with it..instead he stayed submissive and content under Bob Arum even after Bobs various rants about him.
Crawford is treating Spence like Haney..avoid at all costs.