I say Canelo over Ward, Loma, Crawford and Mayweather.
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I say Canelo over Ward, Loma, Crawford and Mayweather.
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Be interesting to know what the basis was for your order.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Best technical Boxer
Best record
Beat the better opponents
Most dominant.
Because i think some would contradict each other on the list.
Most Orchestrated: Canelo hands down
Canelo has earned every drop of sweat, labor and tears. Canelo hands down, no kid gloves needed.
Canelo has the best opponents
Loma has the most voters that look like him
Can’t forget Manny
Sounds crazy since he’s been gone but Floyd beat 4 sure fire HOFers in Shane Mostly, Miguel Cotto, Saul Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao and beat them all in clear, dominant fashion. That’s more than anyone else can say.
The problem with fighters of the decade kind of depends on their career arc. I think that Ward easily beats out Canelo for fighter of the decade other than the fact that he loses two years because of retirement .
Wards competition is at least on par with Canelo’s (with the exception of Floyd) and dominated way more. The only close fight he was in was the first Kovalev fight when Kovalev was considered by basically everybody in the top 3 p4p and potentially even #1. Then he wrecked him in their second fight.
Let’s compare:
Ward: Dominated Miranda, Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham, Dawson, and Froch. He then had his whole promotional issue. He then beat some pretty good fighters after that (nobody great but no complete bums). Then he won a controversial decision against Kovalev then came back with vengeance and wrecked him (who again was arguably the best p4p fighter at the time if would have gotten the decision in the first fight).
Canelo: Starting from 2009, Canelo beat some decent fighters for a few years. Not awful competition but probably pretty equal to what award had after his promotional issue. He did pretty well but nothing to write home about. He was still a prospect. Then he fought a close/controversial decision against Trout, got shut out by Mayweather, beat a few other alright fighters, and won another close/controversial decision against Lara. Beat Cotto in a close decision (in a weight that Cotto did not at all belong in. Sorry, I had to say it). Beat a few other alright fighters. Got a gift draw against GGG, then won a pretty disputed decision against GGG (I won’t say robbery but most people had GGG winning or at least a draw). Beat Jacobs in a close decision. Knocked out Kovalev in a fight where most people thought he was losing.
Canelo definitely has more fights, but his wins weren’t anywhere near as dominant as Ward’s. I tried to be subjective, but other than Kovalev, there is no question who won any of Ward’s fights. You can give the excuse that he “cheats,” but we will just call it even with Canelo and his controversies.
If we are talking about the amount of fights and longevity, then Canelo wins. If we are talking about dominance over that time, Ward easily wins. Again, their resumes aren’t really much different in terms of toughness.
That’s why it’s hard to say fighter of a decade. Floyd has some great wins, but it wasn’t really a floyd decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
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Since we're going forward lets just knock Mayweather and Ward right off that list ;D. Loma and Crawford are the now and truth is both have missed massive 'great' matches in Spence or Mikey etc. Honestly if Ward announces his comeback tomorrow who doesn't still roll over for that extra hour of sleep with meh, ok g'night.
Pacquiao with the rest nowhere.
Not only did he cement himself among the pantheon of boxing gods - 2009 to 2011 with the destruction of Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley and beat Marquez, he then came back from his two defeats to Marquez and Floyd (two first ballot HOFers) with wins over Bradley x 2, Broner, Matthysse and pulled the upset over Thurman. His "filler" fights had a combined record of 94-2 and were all "world" champions.
Honorable mentions - Canelo, Chocolatito, Floyd, Ward, Golovkin
Looking at his record for the decade, he actually may edge it out. He beat some really good fighters. I will even things out by saying that he beat Bradley three times (because we all know he beat Bradley in their first fight), and lost to JMM twice (JMM clearly beat him in their third fight). His only knock is that he lost to his two best opponents legitimately. With that said, who else really beat fighters as good as Floyd and JMM?Quote:
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I would say on quality of opponents and dominance over their opponents, it would have to be either Pacquiao, Floyd, or Ward hands down. Nobody else over that time span has been able to consistently dominate good/great fighters.
Pacquiao would be my choice also. Lots of greats on his resume... no periods of prolonged inactivity (which sours me a little on Ward)... no infatuation with the precious "0".... yeah... Pacquiao is the choice for me. Ward fought the real Kovalev, so he gets major votes for that. Floyd would even be a good choice. Exposed more than one wannabe p4p pretender... so he gets points from me on that alone. Beyond those three, I can think of plenty of deserving careers that would get my vote ahead of Canelo.
I'd say Pac.
You convinced me. Outstanding stuffQuote:
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Nice. That doesn’t happen too often. But now people are trying to convince us that Pacquiao is the fighter of the decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallYou convinced me. Outstanding stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
In all honesty, Fighter of the Decade and $3.00 will buy you a Caffe Latte at Starbucks. It's another meaningless "title".
Career-wise, Pac blows away Ginger any day of the week.
I agree , this is the podium and this is the right order for me. I don't mind switching Pac with Floyd but Andre is pretty much stick on the last spot of the stage, Kovalev is the only p4p fighter on his resume and we all know who won their first fight, even in the second one he wasn't able to outbox Sergey until The Crusher run out of gas.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherLooking at his record for the decade, he actually may edge it out. He beat some really good fighters. I will even things out by saying that he beat Bradley three times (because we all know he beat Bradley in their first fight), and lost to JMM twice (JMM clearly beat him in their third fight). His only knock is that he lost to his two best opponents legitimately. With that said, who else really beat fighters as good as Floyd and JMM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I would say on quality of opponents and dominance over their opponents, it would have to be either Pacquiao, Floyd, or Ward hands down. Nobody else over that time span has been able to consistently dominate good/great fighters.
I'd definitely not take in consideration a cheater who blame the cow.
I agree. Manny won me over and that 3 year period was amazing. Pure devastation and gore.Quote:
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2009-2019 covers 11 years which is one more than a decade, I checked with my fingers on both hands (i can count to 12 with this method :S)....
Surely results in 2009 don't count for this accolade?
Of the guys listed Im torn between Loma and Canelo, can't quite decide which one I look more like. Eddie Hearn is definitely the promoter of the decade though. I don't even know what Haymon looks like but I'm positive it's not as close. You all knew this though. Everyone knows it, they just don't say it.
We are in an age where belts and genders are created at will. Please let us add another year to a decade as well. Pretty please!Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
a couple of honorable mentions 2010-2019
roman gonzalez, went something like 23-2, with wins over estrada, rodriguez jr, yaegashi, sosa, viloria, arroyo, cuadras, and the first rungvisai fight could have gone his way
kazuto ioka, went 21-2, with wins over sithsamerchai, navarrete, yaegashi, alvarado, reveco twice, arroyo, palicte. both loses to ruenroeng and nietes were controversial. and he fought in a world title fight every year from 2011-2019
Boxing's pound-for-pound top 10 of the decade
Choosing boxing's pound-for-pound king is no easy feat at the best of times. Trying to do so over a decade is trickier still.
It is a debate that, due to its subjectivity, does not really have a true answer, but try stopping fans and pundits from arguing the toss anyway.
The 2010s have been a truly golden era for the sport with legacies cemented and legends born.
But just who has been the best of the best over the last 10 years? Here, we rank our top 10 pound-for-pound kings of the decade.
1) FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR
'Money' has not fought in a meaningful bout since 2015 (forget about that contest with Conor McGregor – we all should), but still merits a place at the top of these rankings. The American's list of scalps since 2010 is impressive, to say the least. It includes: Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Marcos Maidana (twice), Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez and, of course, Manny Pacquiao.
Timing was key for Mayweather – and not just in terms of his fighting style. He took on Canelo when he was still to hit his peak, while he kept Pacquiao – and boxing fans for that matter – waiting. Still, you should not overlook his achievements. Floyd was a genius in the ring, with his brilliant defensive technique nullifying opponents. This was the decade when he sealed his status as one of the all-time greats.
The Sweet Science pic.twitter.com/OFRssPx1Wi
— Floyd Mayweather (@FloydMayweather) October 3, 2019
2) ANDRE WARD
If not for a period of promotional paralysis in the middle of the decade, Ward would probably be top of this list. However, after an infuriating four-year spell of his prime that took in relatively inconsequential bouts against Edwin Rodriguez, Paul Smith and Sullivan Barrera, the 'Son of God' brought things home in style.
Having reigned supreme during a golden era for the super-middleweight division, beating the likes of Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch and a stepping-down Chad Dawson to establish himself as the undisputed number one, Ward went north to light-heavyweight. Never the biggest puncher in his natural weight class, he pulled himself up off the canvas to outfox the ferocious Sergey Kovalev and become a two-weight world champion. In their rematch – via some legal body shots and some not-so-legal – Ward bullied the bully to an eighth-round stoppage, walking away with an unblemished 32-fight record and nothing left to prove.
3) VASYL LOMACHENKO
Arguably the finest amateur of all-time, Lomachenko has lived up to and probably surpassed such a billing in the paid ranks. He boxed for a world title in only his second fight, dropping a split decision to the Orlando Salido. The roughhousing Mexican unleashed a monster in his moment of triumph, persuading Lomachenko to embellish his unparalleled skills with a vengeful streak.
Victory over Gary Russell Jr. next time out secured the WBO featherweight title and the 31-year-old has since blazed an irresistible trail through three divisions, racking up 10 knockouts in 14 wins. Fellow former amateur standout Guillermo Rigondeaux, Nicholas Walters, Jorge Linares, Jose Pedraza and Luke Campbell are included on an impressive list of scalps Lomachenko holds three of the four main lightweight belts and will aim to become undisputed king of division a man of his dimensions has little business competing in, never mind cleaning out, against Teofimo Lopez in 2020.
4) SAUL 'CANELO' ALVAREZ
Boxing's biggest draw remains a divisive figure. A six-month ban following two failed drugs test for clenbuterol in 2018 – Alvarez protested his innocence, citing contaminated meat – compounded his standings with fans who point towards a carefully managed career and some arguable generous scorecards in his favour.
Nevertheless, the four-weight world champion's body of work is undeniably impressive and now places him towards the upper-reaches of Mexico's proud boxing tradition. Canelo iced Kovalev to become only the fourth fighter to win titles at both light-middleweight and light-heavyweight, following in the footsteps of 'Sugar' Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns and Mike McCallum. Since his schooling beneath Mayweather's educated fists in 2013, Alvarez has blossomed. Whether or not his gripping rivalry with Gennadiy Golovkin gets a third act, further defining nights lie ahead.
5) TERENCE CRAWFORD
A phenomenally skilled southpaw, Crawford is possibly the most complete fighter competing in any weight class today. He headed into the lion's den to win a first world title in 2014, outboxing Ricky Burns with a quicksilver display before the champion's fiercely loyal supporters in Glasgow.
Content with the WBO belt at 135lbs, Crawford stepped up to light-welterweight and won the lot, becoming undisputed champion with a three-round demolition of the previously undefeated Julius Indongo. Welterweight beckoned and the American unseated Jeff Horn in his first outing in the division. Operating outside of the PBC stable has made legacy enhancing fights at 147lbs hard to come by and we must hope for a final act worthy of the 36-0 32-year-old's glittering career.
6) ROMAN 'CHOCOLATITO' GONZALEZ
Gonzalez lost his air of invincibility with back-to-back defeats to Srisaket Sor Rungvisai in 2017, the second of them by stoppage as he was knocked out cold, yet the Nicaraguan made boxing history in the decade by winning world titles at all four of the lowest weight classes.
Small in stature but big in terms of power, Gonzalez has made a habit of stopping opponents inside the distance. However, he had no problem going the distance in a thrilling slugfest with Carlos Cuadras in September 2016, winning on the scorecards to dethrone the WBC super-flyweight champion. Inactivity in recent years has seen his career stall, but at 32 there is still plenty of time to rise back to the top.
7) GENNADIY GOLOVKIN
A not-insignificant number of observers feel Golovkin was hard done by in both his split-decision draw and majority-decision loss to bitter rival Alvarez, but his vice-like grip on the middleweight division is no more and an unexpected thriller again Sergiy Derevyanchenko gave another hint at growing vulnerabilities.
Even if Golovkin is on the slide – as would be expected at 37 – he is still a deeply unpleasant night's work for anybody. He spent the bulk of the decade amassing a record-equalling run of 20 consecutive middleweight world title defences, while a 24-fight knockout streak made good on his claims of always providing a "big drama show". There were few more visceral thrills in 2010s boxing than Golovkin.
8) MANNY PACQUIAO
It would have been a brave punter who suggested placing Pacquiao on this list after Juan Manuel Marquez left him face down and motionless on a Las Vegas canvas in December 2012. The duo's undulating rivalry ended with an emphatic exclamation mark, but Pacquiao was far from done.
He avenged his farcically judged points loss to Timothy Bradley comprehensively, meaning the superfight with Floyd Mayweather belatedly arrived – too late for Pacquiao, as it happened. Nevertheless, bouts against relatively lesser mortals did not present so much of a problem, even after shoulder surgery. A 2017 loss to Jeff Horn was not the end, just a needless blot surrounded by wins over Jessie Vargas, Lucas Matthysse, Adrien Broner and Keith Thurman for this remarkable 41-year-old.
9) NAOYA INOUE
The old boxing adage that you don't get paid for overtime was certainly taken to heart by Inoue in the 2010s. If fans blinked, they could miss him; if opponents blinked they usually found themselves flat on their backs.
A three-weight world champion since picking up the WBA bantamweight crown, Inoue's outings at the weight featured one completed round – Emmanuel Rodriguez making it to the second session after Jamie McDonnell and Juan Carlos Payano were unable to see out the opener – before November's instant classic against the great Nonito Donaire, where the 26-year-old prevailed over the course of 12 action-packed and legacy-enhancing rounds. Las Vegas awaits in April for a superstar in the making.
10) OLEKSANDR USYK
As lavishly skilled, unorthodox and dangerous as his great friend and Ukrainian compatriot Lomachenko, Usyk wasted no time in bending the cruiserweight division to his will. Krzysztof Glowacki, Michael Hunter, Marco Huck, Mairis Briedis and Murat Gassiev were all systematically taken apart en route to undisputed status before Usyk left former champion Tony Bellew splayed out helplessly to leave no doubt over who was the man at 200lbs.
Weight limits are now a thig of the past for the 32-year-old as he moves up confidently to the land of the giants. As Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury all bicker over their claims for heavyweight supremacy, do not be surprised if the sensational Usyk manages to pickpocket them all on his way to glory and greatness.
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Part of the problem with fighter of the decade is that it is inherently biased towards fighters who just happen to do their best work for those 10 years. So if someone had a great 10 year career from 2005 to 2014 then they would have no chance to be fighter of the decade. But if that same fighter fought from 2010 to 2019 then all of the sudden the same exact fighter becomes fighter of the decade because of how their career fell on the right years
OH oh lomachenko at number 3.......Quote:
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Precisely.
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/01...-decade-award/
"Floyd Mayweather given BWAA ‘Fighter of the Decade’ award"
I never thought I'd be so happy to see Floyd Mayweather getting an award!
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And no....... I'm not being sarcastic. ;)
The thing is, it’s all about quantity or quality. If it’s quality, it’s Floyd , end of.
Wasn’t operating the whole decade, but fought many top names, never lost , and beat his nearest rival for this (maybe nearest 2) easily.
If it’s Quantity, I can understand people saying Manny as he’s still active and at the top (ish).
But I cannot get past the fact that Floyd schooled him , making it impossible to be Manny.
Right. I would be against ANYBODY that Floyd SCHOOLED getting the award over Floyd. ;) ;)
Andre Ward won the Sports Illustrated boxer of the decade. I’m alright with that pick too. Either him, Floyd, or Pacquiao are really the only legitimate contenders. Maybe a long shot dark horse would be Chocolatito.